Talk:Survivor (franchise)/Archive 2

Game Rules Image Problem
At the bottom, instead of an image, I see this: "Jenisys.jpg (2KB, MIME type: image/jpeg)". 24.50.211.226 13:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It was a broken image so I took it out. There should be nothing wrong now.TeckWiz 13:42, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Spoiler Warning
I removed from the end of the intro because, in my opinion, the general layout of the show (prizes, rules, ...) is not a significant element of the plot. Knowing it doesn't "spoil" the viewers' experience. --DanDanRevolution 00:50, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

The Tribal Council section DOES spoil, as it reveals losers of tie-breakers. (I will now remove that information - someone else may put them back in appropriate positions below the Spoiler sign) 80.222.222.118 15:22, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Reverted but with the addition of spoiler tags TeckWizTalk Contribs # of Edits 16:59, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Are the spoiler tags really of any value here? The concept of a 'spoiler' seems best applied to a story or work (i.e. film) where a reasonable person might want to embark into it and get the experience of following the path the author intended. By the logic of applying it to a game show, you would put 'spoiler' around the results of past Super Bowls, or a 'spoiler' for the guy who won big on Jeopardy. Good fun, though! 75.8.224.113 08:40, 21 August 2006 (UTC)Chris

I know this discussion is old, but I'll still give you my two cents. I live in Denmark, and here American reality-tv is often broadcast long after it has been aired in USA. So - it would be a spoiler to to us. (sorry - don't know how to sign...)


 * Yes, the article is definitely a minefield of spoilers for those of us who live in countries like Taiwan where Survivor isn't even broadcast, and we must wait a year or more for the DVD to come out. I think the article should be cleaned up so spoilers are clearly demarcated. 203.67.37.64 05:55, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Even if you haven't watched a season but got a DVD or wanted one,and read Wikipedia first,it would spoil the intriugue of who got voted out and such,which can be found here. 99.230.152.143 (talk) 21:47, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Tiebreaker edit
The article used to read like this:


 * In the event of a tie, the following tiebreakers have been used:


 * Seasons 1-3: After a tied re-vote, whoever had the most prior Tribal Council votes was eliminated.

That's true for Seasons 2 and 3, but no such thing was used in season 1. The only tie in Season was at the Final 4, and it was resolved at the re-vote, without any need for a tiebraker. Furthermore, I don't think that the "prior Tribal Council votes" rule existed during the first season; in the DVD commentary, they mentioned that in the 1st season, the tiebraker was a "physical challenge". So I changed the article to say "Seasons 2 and 3". 128.230.13.64 01:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

regarding immunity_challenge merge
I suggested merging these because the immunity challenge article has little to no information that this one doesn't already have. Following WP:NOT, I think it can be turned into a redirect article, but not much besides. MToolen 05:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. There really isn't much else to put on there. --Jordan 06:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Per this discussion and the fact that everything on the page is in the main article, I have made it a redirect to the article of this talk page. TeckWizTalk Contribs Guestbook 02:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Good Article nomination has failed
The Good article nomination for has failed The article is currently very weak in citations, and I think it needs a lot more work in that department before it is ready for GA status. In particular, these sections: Thanks and keep up the great work!
 * Lead paragraph - citation requested, none included.
 * Premise - no citations given.
 * Game rules - no citations given.
 * Concept history - one minor citation given, entire section needs citations, footnotes preferred.
 * Controversies - each item needs a citation.
 * Trivia - each item needs a citation.
 * UK Survivor - no citations given.

Aguerriero ( talk ) 16:36, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Survivor Eliza Orlins up for deletion
You may wish to particpate in the following discussion:
 * - Survivor: Vanuatu -- FeelsLikeHome 18:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Influence on pop culture
Perhaps we should include a brief discussion of Survivor's effect on the phrases "alliance" and "you've been voted off the island" Novati 23:51, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Survivor UK Section of Survivor (TV Series) Main page
Is it really relevant? I would like to cut it from the page.

Because if it should be included, then all other versions from other countries should be included (e.g. French, Australian, Middle East versions etc etc)

The information is nothing special - its just a rehash of the info from the UK Survivor page.

discuss....

&lt;d3345&gt;l4V78&gt; 08:51, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The UK version is important. The Survivor format was thought up by a British TV exec Charlie Parsons (even though Sweden made it first). It is notable as well because Survivor has been considered a failure in the UK (only two series or 'seasons' were made). UK much prefers Big Brother. Magic Pickle 11:34, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Opening Bias
"Swedish show Expedition: Robinson, is commonly considered the mother of reality TV because it was the first highly-rated and profitable reality show on broadcast television. "

-I always thought Big Brother was considered the first successful reality show. I mean, which country are we talking about here when it comes to high ratings? In the UK Survivor was a failure. If we are talking about the US version only, we should move the Premise to the introduction.

Country of origin: United States is also incorrect. it should either read Britain or Sweden. Magic Pickle 11:37, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I also think that there should be a mention of Shipwrecked: Battle Of The Islands, since Survivor has obviously influenced the format of this show. Mr Goodbyte 19:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, neither Big Brother or Survivor originated in the UK. Big Brother came from the Netherlands, where it enjoyed around a sixty percent ratings share during parts of it's first season. Survivor came from Sweden where it garnered very high ratings from it's second to it's seventh season. Survivor has also been successful in the US, Italy, Spain, France, Norway, Denmark, Russia, and the Netherlands. Aside from the US, the only other english speaking country that Survivor has been a success in is Canada, but they watch the US version as they don't have their own.

Munch60477 09:53, 14 May 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.107.10.48 (talk)

The Mother of all modern Reality TV is well known to be MTV's The Real World. The style of Camera work, and storytelling, as well as the habit of interviewing cast members alone, with producers asking them questions, i.e. the "confessional", or "diary room" all came from the US MTV show The Real World originally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.126.148.184 (talk) 08:00, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Basis for Game Rules?
What is the source for each of the various game rules listed? Why is the source not cited? If the source isn't a contract signed by the players, it's less than authoritative. One claims it is against the rules to visit another camp unauthorized, but Cao Boi did exactly that on the show aired on October 12, 2006, with no penalty or mention of rules. The "rule" that you can't vote for yourself doesn't make sense: what possible penalty can there be? You can "vote" yourself off the show by quitting at any time. Is there a penalty for wanting to end your presence on the show and go home and then quitting? There was at least one man I recall who did exactly that. His tribe's tribal council was skipped that week, so the show apparently allows sacrificing yourself to give your teammates a bye for one week. Was a "rule" followed there, or did the show's producers just make an ad hoc judgement as to the best thing to do? Might not there be a "rule" in the players' contracts stating that the producers reserver the right to make ad hoc judgements? This article needs responsible documentation of Survivor's rules, since those would be of great interest and they characterize the show in lots of ways. Or perhaps the "Game Rules" section should be called something else. JimmyTheSaint 19:48, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * About Michael Skupin of Survivor Australia, I dont think he technically violated the rules since he was already removed from the game due to injury when he entered the production area. Slyfield 05:42, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I think JimmyTheSaint was referring to Osten Taylor of Survivor: Pearl Islands fame. However, people are random, and the show's producers may not be able to think up what to do if there is no rule already in place. This might account for the changes in and sometimes absurdity of the rules. Still, I agree that we need to find a source, as it is mostly what fans have picked up by watching and typed into Wikipedia. The thing is, it may be hard to find a source, because I doubt CBS wants to publish the formula of one of their most successful television shows on the internet where a rival network could take it. We may have to look into it.   THE  DARK LORD TROMBONATOR   ( ( (¶) ) )  06:17, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The basic format of the show is owned by Castaway Television Productions in GB. Any rival network might aquire the rights for the show from them - but CBS probably has bought an exclusive license for for the US market. Mossig 10:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)


 * While reading the comments to Jeff Probst's Entertainment Weekly blog, I notice absurd comments about the "rules." So far, the posters have claimed that a) contestants bring their own clothes, b) the producers obtain the clothes and assign them to the contestants, and c) every contestant is required to give interviews to the camera crew while in the competition.  To me, this just sounds like the posters are stating their own theories as *facts.*  Is there a way to find out what the requirements are for clothing, interviews, etc? FlorIdaho (talk) 18:15, 19 October 2009 (UTC)FlorIdaho

the car curse
If there are 16 players, then the chance that the sole survivor is NOT the car winner (in the absence of the influence of a curse) is 15/16. The chance that the sole survivor is not the car winner 13 times in a row is 15/16 to the 13th power, which is 0.4051, or 40.5%. I don't doubt winning the car has an influence on your ability to win the game because it affects the way the other players think of you. To qualify as a curse, however, the Curse Committee requires the outcome to be less than 1% compared to random chance, which would require 72 consecutive seasons of Survivor where the car winner doesn't win the game. If Survivor even runs for 72 consecutive seasons, God help us. JimmyTheSaint 20:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe you're wrong, and that the chances of this happening solely by chance are much lower. Here's why: The car is awarded near the end of the season, usually with about 6 contenstants left. You know that 12 or so survivors are already voted out when the challenge takes place and therefore have 0 chance of winning either the car or the game. Therefore, the existance of a the previously voted off contenstants can be ignored (statistically speaking). This reduced the chance that the sole survivor is not the car winner (in the absence of the influence of a curse) to 5/6 (on average, I'm sure someone will do research as to exactly how many suvivors were left at each challenge). Also, "13 times in a row" can't be used because the first season did not have a car challenge, and the current season's car challenge (if any) hasn't been aired yet. So, the actual formula is (5/6)^11~ 13.46%, significantly lower than your 40.5%. Although this doesn't reduce it to the necessary 1%, it should be noted. (If it continues this season, then (5/6)^12~ 11.22%, still not enough... This discussion might take a while.) 68.181.240.205 09:37, 6 November 2006 (UTC) Sorry forgot to sign in before submitting. This is actually me: Goldencrisp87 09:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Please, please, please never let something like this into the article. It is so trivial it barely warrants dicussion on a fan site. More importantly, since winning the car is a contest not simply a random draw, and each individual contest on each season is differant, I doubt you could ever make an actual case for a 'curse' without making a real statistician cringe in their seat with how ignorant you looked.

Survivor: Cook Islands will be shown in Singapore
Hooray! Singapore decided to show Survivor: Cook Island! Here's the source: http://ch5.mediacorptv.com/shows/reality/view/1309/1/.htmlAranho 12:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Photographers
Is there anybody can show me some information about the photographers of the Survivor? I think it is difficult to avoid the cheat by photographers. --Ffnone 13:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Coral Ad in Australia
I'm an Australian who watched Survivor: The Australian Outback and in the episode in which Clay took coral from the reef I remember there being several advertisements during the commercial breaks saying that removing coral from the reef is illegal and carries a hefty fine. I've noted this in the relevant section of the article. The advertisement was very memorable for me because I've never seen one like it before or since. Madge Carew 05:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

I think you mean Colby, not Clay

Photo
With the new Survivor: Fiji logo out, can someone edit the photo? Thanks in advance. CrossingGuard 09:47, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Survivor WikiProject
Is there any interest in helping with coordinating the Survivor pages via a Survivor Wikiproject? They're all mostly the same but there's notable differences between then and we've still probably got several seasons to go. I'd be willing to set up the project if it's deemed feasible.
 * I don't really know if it's big enough. The American edition has only 14 seasons, and the other countries only have one or two each. Big Brother and American Idol have many seasons in many different country (I think BB has over 10). --TeckWizTalk Contribs@ 21:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikify template
This article has large sections with few or no wikilinks, so I added the wikify template. --Ginkgo100talk 21:08, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * What wikilinks do you think are needed? Theer certianly are wikilinks in the article.  The lack of wikilinks over any given expanse of text is not a reason to add them.  wikilinks should be added when necessary. -- Whpq 21:58, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * As just an example, the section "Tribes" contains a number of terms that a user might want to know more about to give context to the section, such as brackish water, machete, flora, fauna. --Ginkgo100talk 00:29, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

DVD releases
Are the images of the DVD releases contributing significantly to this article? All six of the images are used under fair-use, the criteria for which requires that "the material must contribute significantly to the article [...] and must not serve a purely decorative purpose." There is no critical commentary on the box art or styling of the DVD releases that the images would be illustrating, nor is their presence necessary to convey the information provided by the accompanying text. So, in what manner are these images contributing significantly to this article? —  pd_THOR  undefined | 14:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I think keeping one picture (say, either Borneo or All-Stars DVD) as a sidebar, and then listing the others is sufficient, since all the other cases follow the same pattern and thus are recognizable. It would help to cut down the page --Masem 14:39, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Contestant placement table for seasons necessary?
That table with the rankings of all the players is really heavy and I believe unnecessary; I can see summarizing the winners in the season description table, but the rankings can be found on each season's page as needed. Any objections to removing it? --Masem 05:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I hadn't actually noticed the table. Is it new? Anyway, it needs to go! Go! GO! This page, to my understanding, is about the concept of Survivor, not an amalgamation of every single Survivor page, as the table is making it seem.  THE  DARK LORD TROMBONATOR  ( ( (¶) ) )  06:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * At first I thought this was about the tables on the article pages, which I would have said keep to. However, the ranking table on this page is superfluous, an eyesore, and it stretches the page. I agree it should be removed. -- Luigi Maniac  06:42, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Logo?
Any reason why there is no logo present on the page? Some sort of dispute? Tarc 18:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Spoilers for Fiji season
There are spoilers for the Fiji season of this show all over this article, in different un-announced places.

This may be fine for America, but there are lots of places in the world where this season hasn't been shown yet (Australia, for example is only five eps in). How would people feel about deleting this information for this page and leaving it in the Survivor Fiji page?

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.236.214 (talk • contribs) 00:15, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * See WP:SPOILER - basically, removing relevant information that makes this page complete for those that have seen Fiji as a courtesy to those that haven't seen it would be violating the policy about spoilers (namely, spoiler warnings and dealing with spoiler warnings should be avoided at all tmes). --Masem 04:43, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * But this is Survivor! I did add a note, but before I saw your post. I did not remove any of the "spoilers" but just added a note. Please see WP:Ignore all rules as I believe this is one of those cases. WP:SPOILER is not for this type of reality show where spoilers, do just that, spoil it for those who have not seen the series, yet! - Jeeny Talk 04:58, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Masem, Thanks for the prompt response. I understand the policy, but most of the spoilers aren't really crucial to this, a general page about the game show, I think (e.g there's a about three in the 'trivia' section, which by definition isn't really something that makes the page complete). Given that there are pages specifically dealing with the season, for those who want it, I don't think it would be a really big change... 59.167.236.214
 * To Jeeny: Ignore all rules is for reasons that keep us from maintaining the encyclopedia. What you want to do is almost the opposite. It's already maintained with accurate facts from the past season, and you want to take it out because it hasn't been shown in one place. Wikipedia doesn't run on tape delay. If your reading the page of a series of a currently running show, expect to find spoilers, especially under things like trivia and plot. You can't apply ignore all rules when it hurts the encyclopedia, not helps it. -- (Review Me) R Parlate Contribs@ (Let's Go Yankees!) 04:02, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I wasn't proposing to remove anything from the article, but thought adding a note about spoilers to be considerate to those who have not seen the last season yet. I don't think the note takes away from the encyclopedic value at all. And, I too thought it was a generic article, which would link to other articles of the different seasons. I guess I'm daff. - Jeeny Talk 04:20, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * But this is the point: do this additions really add to the value of the page? I would argue no, not really, especially since there is a page already dealing with specific season. If you read the actual sections on this page pertaining to Fiji you will see they don't really relate to the show as a generality. Would anything be lost if these four or five sentences were ommitted? I really don't think so.59.167.236.214

Where's the trivia?
I LOVED the trivia article of Survivor, why did someone remove it? I wanna have it again! I wanna have it again! I like it! Why can't you? We NEEEEEEEEEEEEEED this. NEEEEEEED. Don't think we can't have that article. It's important. -- OooohTheChase


 * Basically, see WP:NOT and WP:TRIVIA. --Masem 00:07, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * If you wanted it that bad, you would have stood up for it in its moment of need.  THE  DARK LORD TROMBONATOR   ( ( (¶) ) )  00:22, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

What's the matter, Masem? You WANT to forget about the trivia? This is an ENCYCLOPEDIA, people want to learn more about Survivor. You're removing the facts on wikipedia. -- OooohTheChase

Did you even click on the links provided,OooohTheChase? You also should have tried to keep it from being deleted,only Dark Lord here tried to keep it.:( 99.230.152.143 02:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

This Logo?
I was just wondering why the Borneo logo was up when it specifies the 1st season. Shouldn't the universal logo be up if any? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.245.166.76 (talk • contribs)


 * There is a logo I recall with a man holding a torch. I think it is yellow, and I agree that it should be used instead of the Borneo logo. I will look through the commons and see if I can locate it.  THE  DARK LORD TROMBONATOR   ( ( (¶) ) )  06:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry I'm just really bad @ importing pictures. Could someone do this for me? Thanx!

Survivor 16 in Palau
SurvivorFever.net's latest news healine in the Survivor: China section says that it has been officially been announced that Palau is the location for Survivor 16 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.179.29.158 (talk • contribs)
 * I'm pretty sure Sam's Tours Palau, Blog isn't an official source. --Maxamegalon2000 12:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Survivor 17
Can I ask, what is the point of having this article, even as a rediret? It implies that, yes, there will be a 17th season, even though this is specualation and crystal balling. I say delete. THE  DARK LORD  TROMBONATOR 09:57, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree - DELETE. BullWikiWinkle 16:16, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Merchandise Section
I was just wondering the need for the merchandise section in this article. If someone could explain to me, it would be much appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.179.29.158 (talk) 00:47, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Survivor: Panama Exile Island DVD?
One user has added information about the upcoming release of season 12 on DVD in early 2008. Can anyone verify this as i have looked in numerous places and have found no such information anywhere. Is it just vandalism? Survivorfan101 03:31, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Where do episode titles come from?!?

 * For every article for a season of this show excluding Guatemala there are episode titles, where do they come from?

Please cite the source! 99.230.152.143 01:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * TV Guide? DVD? If you're so concerned, go look it up yourself. Oh, and Guatemala does have episode titles. THE  DARK LORD  TROMBONATOR 05:02, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Whoever edited it in should answer. If not, they should cite the source, at least. 99.230.152.143 22:49, 18 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Personally, I do not believe things this trivial should be sourced. Are you planning to get citations for every scrap of trivia as well? How about helping with some clean-up as well as pointing out what's wrong with Wikipedia. Anyway, because I'm a real nice guy, I've gone to the trouble of locating some citations, with thanks to User:Survivorfan101. Barnstars all around, yay! He tells me that,  and  have the titles. I haven't looked at them, but I'm sure you're perfectly capable to do that, 99.230.152.143. Also, how about creating an account? -- THE DARK LORD  TROMBONATOR  05:45, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. Please stop adding 'citation needed' to the articles. I fail to see how episode titles meet the criteria for when to cite --BullWikiWinkle 20:25, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh. It never shows a episode title name during the program. If there is a place that says where why not edit it in yourself? 99.230.152.143 20:30, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Because I do not believe it is neccessary to cite episode titles. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR  20:43, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I have instigated a discussion at Wikipedia talk:When to cite, about the citation of episode titles. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR  20:55, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I have replied at Wikipedia talk:When to cite, but I did so before looking here... Reading the comments... the IP editor may have a point. IF the episode titles do not appear on the episodes themselves, then I think you should give some indication as to where we got the titles from.  If they all come from the same source (DVD, TV Guide, a Fan Book, etc.) Perhaps a single note eplaining the source placed at the header of the column listing the titles is all that is needed.  Of course, if they do appear in the episodes themselves, then I see no reason to cite. Blueboar 20:51, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I watched the credits to some survivor seasons, and i happen to know that episode titles don't even appear in the credits,or anywhere else on the program,Blueboar. That's why i say they need to be cited. 99.230.152.143 01:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, in my opinion, any tv episode titles on Wikipedia that don't show a title anywhere on the program should be cited,if you ask me.99.230.152.143 01:07, 6 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Even if we do find that, yes, we should cite them, IP99.230..., the manner in which you did before was not the best way to do it, and you threw the table out of kilter. The correct method would have been to have a link to the website in the References section at the bottom of the article, with a little numbered link taking us there. Please not that I am not trying to bite anyone here (canabilism isn't fun). Of course, I haven't a clue how to do that =p -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR  04:42, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Ditto.99.230.152.143 01:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I was worried you were biting me. It's good you're not! :)99.230.152.143 01:43, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * All of the episode titles can be found at TV.com --Pixelface 10:41, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Great! If you know how to put it in the articles,you ought to do that. I don't know how. :) 99.230.152.143 02:28, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Maybe whoever's reading this but not editing it can do it.99.230.152.143 (talk) 01:14, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Just wondering...
I was just wondering the reason, if any, for the deletion of the Survivor timeline. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.179.29.158 (talk) 21:10, 14 October 2007 (UTC)


 * It was deleted because it was not important; all information in the table was covered in the rest of the article. -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR  20:33, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Other uses banners
I think this has gotten a bit out of hand. There are FIVE dab's for Survivor listed at the top of this article. Can we not integrate the ones about other versions into the article? (Of course, keeping the regular disambiguation page) -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR  04:24, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree about the international versions -- they're already in the 'See Also' section. I'd probably also like to see the 'previous season' removed and only have the Survivor disambiguation page and the current season dab.  -- BullWikiWinkle 15:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Suggested page split
I am suggesting the following renaming and splitting to help reduce the length of this article:
 * The first sections, "premise" and its subheadings, and "Game rules" stay at this current article "Survivor (TV series)"
 * The remaining sections of this article are moved to "Survivor (US TV series)"

The rationale for this is that this separates the format of the game from details of the US broadcast and marketing of the series. This allows other nation's Survivors to point back to the format section without bogging down in the rules. We have used the same approach for The Amazing Race where this wikilink goes to worldwide-mostly-generic format information, and The Amazing Race (US TV series) points to the specific instances of the broadcast of the show in the US.

The only change this means downstream is that all the US Survivor seasons and contestants would need to update to the US-specific series ("Survivor: Borneo" is an installment of the US series, not the overall concept), which isn't terribly hard to fix. I'd also rewrite the intro a bit for this to explain that the rules are US-centric but generally give the flavor for the full

Any thoughts on this? --M ASEM 21:43, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think that sounds like a good idea. Does it mean we need to read up on the international versions? -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR  22:04, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've brushed through the existing ones, and most seem to skip a bit on the rules, referring back to here. My suggestion, following what we did for Amazing Race, is that if a international version has rules specific to it, they can use one of "main" or "see also" templates to point back to this page, and then add the changes implemented in that version. --M ASEM  22:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a good idea to me too. Thanks for volunteering your time for the effort, Masem. --BullWikiWinkle 00:35, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and done the split (Survivor (US TV series) should now work). This page (non-US-centric) needs a section about what international versions exist and linking to wikipages that have them. The US-centric page is actually probably fine as it is with the few pieces I added. Also note that I kept the concept history in this article since it talks about Parsons and others. --M ASEM 16:50, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I will use AutoWikiBrowser later today (unless someone beats me to it) to update all the links that should go to the US centric page. I just need help to make sure the split of information is good. --M ASEM  16:54, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Should the items in the Further reading section be moved to the appropriate page for the corresponding version of the show? -- BullWikiWinkle (talk) 19:39, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I wasn't sure, though some of them likely corroborate the information on the main page. I don't know the content of these books, but given that how now the US series page is mainly about how the show is received, I don't think these books would help out there.  Suggestions are recommended. --M ASEM  19:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I didn't think Further reading sections were meant to corroborate information. If we go by the definition that these are for the purpose of directing the reader to sources that go beyond the scope of the article, I think it makes sense to place them in the country-specific articles. --  Bull  Wiki  Winkle  22:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * True - if there was a book that talked about "Survivor around the world" it would stay here, but I think you're right - the refs should go to the specific country show pages. --M ASEM 22:18, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Criticism?
Didn't there use to be a section here on criticism of survivor, and of some of the lawsuits it's faced, complete with cited links and all? What ever happened to it? Did this page get CBSafied by one of their P.R. people? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.8.207.200 (talk) 21:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Moved to Survivor (US TV series) since the criticism was all about the US version. --M ASEM 23:09, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Survivor according to Game Theory
Does Survivor qualify as a zero-sum game? 89.139.246.86 (talk) 11:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

female host
I deleted the line "Linda Isacsson will be the worlds first female host of Expedition: Robinson also known as Survivor, when the Swedish version return on TV4 in 2009". The Dutch "Expeditie Robinson" already has had a female host for many many years, so the statement is simply not true! (and very unfortunate, the male host -we had 2 hosts- has died in a car-accident in Norway less than 2 months ago, during the making of another adventure programma). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.108.52.169 (talk) 21:39, 4 December 2008‎ (UTC)

Final four tie
The article mentions four instances of ties in the final four votes (Palau, Panama, Cook Islands and Gabon). The article also states that before going to a fire making tiebreaker, a revote occurs and lists Gabon as the only exception. Looking at the CBS website and the individual season articles, I only see a revote in Palau. Does anyone have a source to confirm or deny a final four revote in Panama or Cook Islands? -- Bull  Wiki  Winkle  17:54, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Prizes
Is it known what the prizes were for the recent survivor seasons? I wish there was a better way to look at the info in that section here. I always assume the winner gets the $1,000,000, the final 4 or 5? get money and so does the first voted out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledgekid87 (talk • contribs) 21:54, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Exile Island only for women?
The following sentence has been changed a couple times by anonymous IPs citing a need to clarify that both men and women go to Exile: "The concept of Exile Island was first introduced in Survivor: Palau, when a single contestant was made to stay on a beach by herself."

However, the statement is not about Exile in general, but a specific instance where a female contestant was Exiled. This event was the genesis of the Exile Island concept. Making the gender of that particular contestant ambiguous in this statement makes no sense. -- Bull  Wiki  Winkle  00:51, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Disagree, in that it was specifically Janu that that example shows. In all subsequent seasons, it was any gender, but only for the example clause of that statement is "she" appropriate. --M ASEM  01:39, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it could have been anyone. I'm changing it to the gender-neutral "alone on a beach". -- THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR  02:03, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Good compromise. -- Bull  Wiki  Winkle  08:50, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Sitting out "back to back" challenges
I know Jeff always says "you can't sit out the same player in back to back challenges" and the Challenges section of this article reflects this by saying the same person can't sit out "two challenges in a row", but this is not strictly true. What seems to be the actual rule followed in the game is that a player cannot sit out both a reward challenge and the following immunity challenge. I have seen players who sat out an immunity challenge on one episode also sit out the next challenge - the reward challenge on the next episode. I don't have any recorded shows or DVDs to document this, just wondering if anyone else had noticed it. LarryJeff (talk) 21:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Jeff states prior to the sit out who MUST compete 82.17.239.90 (talk) 17:43, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Probst confirmed my suspicion in his blog, and it's been fixed in the article.LarryJeff (talk) 18:52, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

I would like to know, do the contestants get to brush their teeth anytime during their stay there. That seems like a health issue that they would not have the opportunity to do that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.179.132.81 (talk) 16:21, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Survivor Samoa Winner
The article says today (2/05/2010) that Russel won Survovor Samoa. That's incorrect. can't recall who did win it, but it was a woman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.124.75.205 (talk) 10:21, 2 May 2010‎ (UTC)
 * He also didn't win "Heroes and Villains" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.123.240.35 (talk) 06:25, 17 May 2010‎ (UTC)

if you look a little above this is says that he won americas favorite player. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.75.218.104 (talk) 02:42, 16 August 2010‎ (UTC)

TG4 and CBS's Survivor
TG4, which is a Irish languaged TV Station here in Ireland, airs previous seasons of Survivor, so I was thinking if it should be placed in the section with diffrent shows and their place of airing. --BigOz22 (talk) 18:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Survivor WikiProject Second Attempt
Hey guys, you may have noticed that over the course of the last few months I have been creating pages for different versions of Survivor/Robinson. In total I've been able to make pages that cover 43 different seasons of Survivor worldwide with atleast a finishing order on all of them, however, there are still 90 or so seasons that have not been covered and do not have pages. While it has been disputed that Survivor hasn't been as big of a format as Big Brother, if one was to do some research into how long the show has been running in countries around the world they would see that in Belgium/The Netherlands, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Italy, France, and Spain the show has had atleast seven seasons. While it may seem very challenging to find out information on some versions of Robinson, it is not impossible as can be seen with Baltic Robinson. Whether or not we can start a wikiproject for Survivor, I will still continue to add information on more versions of Survivor, but I suspect that if we are able to start a wikiproject for Survivor that we'll probably be able to have all editions filled in within the next two years if not less. Munch60477 (talk) 14:36, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

It sounds like a good idea. Whitestorm17 (talk) 20:05, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Switch from Final 2 to Final 3
It would seem to be worth mentioning in the article at what point the show switched from a "Final 2" to "Final 3" format. 69.143.122.118 (talk) 02:31, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that would be worth mentioning. Did it happen in Fiji or sometime before that? Whitestorm17 (talk) 20:06, 4 February 2011 (UTC)


 * It was during Cook Island, with the Aitu Four making it into the final four, surprised that the treemail for the last immunity challenge said that winning would guarantee making it to the jury. (Personally probably one of my favorite seasons.) 12:35, 4 March 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.91.36.12 (talk)

Contestant Articles
Hello. I noticed that in most seasons, only the winner and maybe a few other contestants have articles made for them. It seems like to me, that at least any contestant that made it to the merge of their season should have an article made for them. There should be at least enough to information on their personal life and their time in the game to make a good article. Are there any other thoughts? Whitestorm17 (talk) 20:10, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, verifiability is not a substitute for notability. WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO should apply to any person included in wikipedia. But survivor wiki may have a use for this info. --Joshuaism (talk) 15:20, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Twists other than US twists
Shouldn't twists that are used in other versions of survivor be included in this article about the franchises. Like, for example, the black vote necklace, black and white pearls, challenges at final four instead of tribal council (although not realy a twist), tribe X, winning tribe voteing people out of loseing tribe, etc. Also, a comparison should be done between Redemption Island and its predecessors dead man's island, purgatory island, etc. most of them ended at the merge and in three way or more duels, only the winner continued on. --Goobie m (talk) 12:11, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Survivor season 2012 Serbia/Croatia
The Survivor season 2012, recorded in Kostarika is for Srbia and Croatia together. A smart move that will save a lot to both countries, especially knowing that the spoken language in both countries is same and all the Survivor 2012 VIP persons are equally popular and domestic in both countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.98.147.64 (talk) 20:13, 17 March 2012‎ (UTC)

remove "China" ver. from international version?
Actually,CCTV didn't get a permission from CBS,and this show's format has huge different from Original U.S. ver. Consider to remove it?

btw..despite some Chinese tv shows (almost all filmed in 2000s) copied Survivor's format...imo shouldn't considered them as part of international version.

Yangzd88 (talk) 21:58, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Canadian version
Is there a Canadian version of "Survivor"? Agent  Perry  06:48, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Travel Council
Someone has changed Tribal to Travel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.148.69.140 (talk) 10:35, 21 November 2012 (UTC)