Talk:Survivor Series: WarGames (2022)

men's wargames
this match is not confirmed.223.233.36.40 (talk) 15:48, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Nikki and damage ctrl
nikki is not a part of the group.so why is she listed as a member?223.233.36.40 (talk) 15:51, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

The Miz vs. Dexter Lumis
I’m surprised that no one has added that match to the card listing yet since Gargano confirmed it on RAW this past Monday. Joeythewoo (talk) 00:35, 19 November 2022 (UTC)


 * @Joeythewoo Matches aren't confirmed until WWE officially confirms them. Gargano may have said that, but there has been no official confirmation. JDC808   ♫  07:26, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

mia yim/michin
wwe officialy changed mia yim's ring name to michin. so don't you think we should mention her as such. just saying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.239.48.244 (talk) 13:58, 23 November 2022 (UTC)


 * They appear to have undone that - she's back to "Mia Yim" on wwe.com. — Czello 14:05, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Team Names
I don't think team names are confirmed, for now.223.233.49.90 (talk) 13:27, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Colon?
Okay, so WWE is being inconsistent again (surprise). When the event was first announced, there was no colon in the title and basically every official source up until the event did not include a colon. A lot of official sources published since the day of the event have included the colon. The official listing on Peacock does not include a colon (and I assume that's the case with the WWE Network). So should we include the colon or not? JDC808  ♫  22:31, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


 * I can confirm the Network doesn't have the colon. From what I can see, the title sans colon is still the WP:COMMONNAME elsewhere too, so I think the title should remain as it is. — Czello 22:36, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * My vote is 100% in favor of using the colon. The WWE Network/Peacock is very inconsistent when it comes to official titles. For example, none of the In Your House PPVs from 1996-1999 use the colon on Peacock, yet the official titles of those events do use them. So the Network/Peacock should not be considered as the be all-end all deciding factor. Also WWE.com did use the colon in a lot of articles prior to the Survivor Series PPV last Saturday. It’s not a case of retroactively adding the colon. If you go to WWE.com, click on the “shows” tab and then click on “Survivor Series”, you’ll see that the majority of article headings use the colon. OldSkool01 (talk) 05:20, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * @OldSkool01 well, Peacock/WWE Network is taken into consideration as those "should" have the official stylization to the titles (even with the In Your House examples). But it's such an oddity. Like here is the official press release from WWE corporate that does not include a colon: 1. But, here's another oddity: 2. The headline includes the colon, but the first subsection does not, nor does its description. Logically, the colon makes sense, but there's been this trend to not use colons for certain titles (and not just talking about wrestling, just entertainment in general). I'm not against the colon; without the colon has been what the article has been titled as for a couple months due to WWE's sources then, but I'm not sure what the right move now is. JDC808   ♫  06:48, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * To me it’s not that complicated. The original press release from months ago doesn’t mean anything. Look at Backlash 1999. It was originally advertised as Backlash: In Your House. Even the event poster lists it as such. But at some point between the original advertising being released and when the PPV actually happened, they dropped the In Your House part and just called it Backlash. Also WrestleMania 25 was originally advertised a year in advance as WrestleMania XXV, but by the time the show came around, they dropped the roman numerals. And there’s plenty of other examples like that. In other words, the original press release means nothing. What it was advertised as on the day of the event is more important. As for Peacock, like I already mentioned, there’s a bunch of inaccurate PPV titles. One of the obvious mistakes to me is No Way Out Of Texas: In Your House is listed as simply No Way Out 1998, which is not the accurate title. OldSkool01 (talk) 08:06, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Any further thoughts ? -- JDC808  ♫  04:54, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Original press releases can indeed change, but I still see the no-colon option as being the common name. The logo doesn't have the colon, I didn't see the colon appear during the show itself, most of the news sources I see online do away with the colon. Indeed, when I google  (with the speech marks, in order to force the colon to appear in results), I still predominately see hits that do not have the colon. Yes, there's an inconsistency, but WP:COMMONNAME should always take priority here. — Czello 09:09, 1 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Why would you see the colon on the ppv itself? Event logos almost never use colons. Look at any In Your House event from back in the day, or even the TakeOver events. Almost none of them used the colon in the logos. Also, if you watched Raw, SmackDown and NXT over the last couple of weeks, whenever they advertised Survivor Series on the crawler on the bottom of the screen during the shows, they always used the colon. When you say “news sources”, are you referring to wrestling news websites? Cause if that’s what we’re talking about then I can give you a bunch of wrestling news sites that used the colon. No problem. Again, WWE themselves, on their own website, have used the colon in the overwhelming majority of article headers. OldSkool01 (talk) 20:12, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Can you demonstrate that WWE have used it in the "overwhelming majority" of article headers? So far the only overwhelming majority I see is across news stories where it's not used. — Czello 21:16, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I already did, in this very conversation. But I’ll say it again, go to WWE.com, click on the “shows” tab and then click on “Survivor Series”, you’ll see that the majority of article headings use the colon. Or just click here: https://www.wwe.com/shows/survivor-series-wargames Scroll down that page and count how many times they use the colon and how many times they don’t. I can only see one time that they don’t. OldSkool01 (talk) 22:40, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

So where are we at with this? I’ve provided several valid points, as well as evidence of WWE themselves using the colon on the majority of articles on their website. What’s the hold up? OldSkool01 (talk) 05:17, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Still waiting for a reply on this. It’s been months. If you go back and re-read this whole thread, I’ve presented examples and all the evidence that is needed to end this debate. OldSkool01 (talk) 09:22, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I recommend either starting an WP:RFC to get more eyes on this or linking from the Wikiproject — Czello (music) 09:20, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Just put in a move request for this page. Shouldn’t be an issue. OldSkool01 (talk) 09:41, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
 * You know what, I'm going to reverse position on this. I think OldSkool01 has demonstrated how prevalent the colon is. Unless anyone can demonstrate otherwise, I'll go with the colon as the WP:COMMONNAME — Czello (music) 14:00, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 1 May 2023
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The result of the move request was: moved. Unopposed for 19 days. (closed by non-admin page mover) – Material  Works  10:30, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Survivor Series WarGames → Survivor Series: WarGames – As discussed on the talk page, WWE.com uses a colon to seperate “Survivor Series” and “WarGames” on all of their article headers. I’ve provided a link in the discussion showing all of the article headers. This should be a rather simple move. OldSkool01 (talk) 16:00, 1 May 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Jerium (talk) 09:52, 9 May 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. >>>  Extorc . talk  11:03, 16 May 2023 (UTC) <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: #FF0000;">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.