Talk:Susan Oliver

Question?
Does anyone know if she remained a Buddhist until the end of her life? She was as of 1983. Also I'd like to know where she spent her last few years specifically. Also anyone know if she died at the Actor's Hospital in Woodland? Any info appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.248.121.58 (talk) 08:23, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Commentary
It's kind of sad she died in 1990. She wasn't young but she wasn't that old either she would've been about 73 now. Does anyone know for sure that she was born in 1932 and not 1933? She had a reputation for being nice yet never married or had children.

I read her memoirs, its good but I wished she had talked more about her later years. The last 2 chapters are quite good but short. I read somewhere where someone refered to her as a "cheeseball icon". Really not fair, she just never had the big breakout role. She was part of that Korean War generation and she was great in "The Cage". I wonder if she ever regretted not getting married and having kids. Her mother had a cameo in "Ghostbusters" as a ghost. 8/27/200 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.248.121.110 (talk) 08:22, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Date of birth
The NYT lists her age as 61 upon her death in May of 1990. This would mean she was born in 1929,not as is commonly thought (1932). The 1932 date comes from an interview she did where she explained that the 1937 date (another common date associated with her birth) was from her union card, something she put down to secure her first major role (green eyed blond). She thought she'd have a better chance for the part if she was about 21. Anyway, I suspect the correction was itself a bit off. Hey, who can blame her. With that eternal youthful look, shaving off a few years seems fair ball. It is worth noting, in this regard, that in her book she is a bit deliberately playful about the date of birth. I assume that the NYT had access to the birth register (she was born in NY) and that their age notation is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.162.130.197 (talk) 21:00, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Also note that the correct date for her time at Swarthmore College was Sept 1949 to May 1950. She left after completing her first year. If the NYT obit is correct, this would make her 20 when enrolling. Although a bit old, given her time in Japan, and her odd jobs after leaving school all prior to university, this time line seems plausible. If one accepts the 1932 date, one is left with her being 17 when enrolling; possible but not likely given the above aspects of her education, travel and work prior to university. In fairness, it should also be noted that the date of birth registered at Swarthmore is the 1932 Feb 13 date. The above argument would therefore entail that she streched the truth at the time of enrolling or changed the date after the fact (as the name Susan Oliver also appears in the Swarthmore material, the latter is not implausible since S.O. was a stage name adopted sometime after leaving Swarthmore with her career (and asserted date of birth)already in play). It is also worth noting that the 1929 date would pose problems given the time line of her parents marriage. Although that again might be consonant with(in terms of explaining) the deliberately obscure features of the time line. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.162.160.248 (talk) 13:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Good people
Will everyone PLEASE sign your comments? Thank you. By the way, I will Wikify this article by breaking it up into categories. ProfessorPaul 04:27, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

OK, Wikification Complete!
I have added categories, modified some text, and added several Wiki-links to IMPROVE this article. Can someone who is interested please help to clarify the "date of birth controversy?" This would be very helpful. Thank you. ProfessorPaul 05:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

The Susan Oliver "Year of Birth" Dispute
OK, good people, get this: in a diligent Internet search, I discovered multiple sources on all sides of this issue (1932, 1937, even 1929). Which is it? I have added an External link which (oddly) contradicted itself and listed (both) 1932 (at the top) and 1937 (at the bottom; scoll down). Wow--never happened to me before on Wikipedia! ProfessorPaul 06:28, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Susan Oliver
I liked her in the Maggie Hamilton Story on Wagon Train in 1960. She was so spoiled and obnoxious, she was kind of funny. Robert Horton was at his wits end with her. What was she like on the set to work with? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.5.238.167 (talk) 12:46, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

MARRIAGE?
Was she ever really married to Dennis Wilson? I don't see any confirmation of this anywhere else some authentication would be helpful. As far as I know she was never married. 71.111.136.46 06:37, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

First Woman
Someone keeps changing this to state 'second' if you wish to keep changing it please cite your sources as her biography states 'first'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.103.18.56 (talk) 05:16, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Susan
This was one Beautiful Woman —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.226.62.76 (talk) 11:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

God she had sexy legs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.2.247.30 (talk) 06:09, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Untitled
Just caught an episode of I Spy and she was in it. Didn't see it listed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.136.210.220 (talk) 03:18, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Image
There's an image at the bottom of the article of Oliver with a plane. In the absence of any other image it should really go in the infobox. ANB (talk) 01:02, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Fancruft
This article is atrocious! There is far too much detail about nearly every role Oliver portrayed. Why do we need to know what number she was billed in a particular film? How is that relevant to anything? Do we also need to know who co-starred with her in a particular film or television show? Don't even get me started on the sections created just to note that Oliver appeared in one(!) episode of a show! Overly detailed and full of fawning fan drool. 65.71.125.166 (talk) 05:23, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * One can only wonder why the anonymous poster who shows so little interest in a performer's life and career as to complain about the inclusion of factual detail and also to dispute the importance of her billing and the names of her co-stars would even bother to seek out this article. Perhaps this poster has made similar comments at other articles, such as those for cricket players ("...what's all this nonsense about wickets?") or authors ("...who cares how many short stories he/she wrote?")&mdash;Roman Spinner (talk) 19:43, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The IP has/had a point. There was quite a bit of overly detailed content in the article and it read quite poorly. Since the article was tagged for quite some time, I went ahead and did a clean up. I removed the details regarding billing (mainly because it was unsourced and seemed to lack importance) and the bits about episode and film overviews. Overviews are best left to articles about the show (or episode) or film. I also added a filmography chart listing selected titles from Oliver's extensive filmography as that seems to be a more concise way to go instead of listing nearly every appearance and detailing that in text. I tried to find additional sources but there does not seem to be many online. I have found none regarding Oliver's marriage and children which seems odd. I'll leave it for now but it really needs a source.  Pinkadelica ♣  03:36, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * "IP" means "Instructor Pilot" and also "Initial Point", both terms from AVIATION, and also "Internet Protocol", as in TCP/IP. You simply must not use such initializations or acronyms without explaining them first.
 * The lives of notable personalities have, for the most part, two aspects --- biographical details and career highlights, with the two frequently intertwined. Whether the subject is a baseball player, a public official, a journalist or an actor, the details of his or her career cannot be simply discussed in a separate article which describes the game, the event, the article or the presentation in which the subject participated without unbalancing the remainder of that article, which may be too brief for such an approach, and also creating confusion as to why detailed emphasis of this nature is being placed upon one participant's contribution. Focusing specifically on actors, detailed analysis of a performer's acting style, character analysis and yes, billing, needs to be in his or her article in order to provide continuity and overall wide view of an entire career. In the same mindset that lengthy wrestler articles detail the subject's grappling moves in his every bout or the writing peculiarities which an author utilizes from book to book, so there are numerous articles (Humphrey Bogart, Gary Cooper, Cary Grant, Katharine Hepburn, Grace Kelly, Meryl Streep) which go into considerable detail in analyzing and detailing individual roles that these stars played.  Perhaps some may argue that since Susan Oliver's career did not revolve in such an exalted orbit, she does not deserve such detail, which may be a legitimate topic for a WP:NPOV discussion, but does not indicate the need to diminish her stature or reduce the size of her article.  Perhaps, like so many other articles, this article is poorly written, which would then indicate the need to rewrite it rather than to reduce it and delete detail, which does not necessarily equate with making it better.


 * The matter of billing needs to be briefly addressed. The size and positioning of a performer's name in the credits is indicative of his or her standing in the profession and is a significant aspect of contract negotiations. The word "starred" is freely used in Wikipedia articles about actors, but those who receive eighth billing in a film don't "star" in it, but simply "appear". As for sourcing, such film details as position of actor's billing, name of character played, plot details or year of release are rarely footnoted, since those can be confirmed via IMDb, film reviews or other sources. Of course, one should always be on alert for vandals who can play havoc with any and every aspect of an article, such as what IP Special:Contributions/109.158.220.18 did in the last couple of days (January 26 and 27) in the articles for Peggie Castle, Marcella Puppini as well as Susan Oliver by inserting the similar patently false information about alcoholism, marriage to Dina Merrill's brother John and numerous children ("Izzie (born 1953"). Nearly two days later, this misinformation, although unsourced, still remains in the three articles. For the record, Susan Oliver was unmarried and childless.&mdash;Roman Spinner (talk) 12:43, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If you think the content about billing is important, simply add it back. Truth be told, the article was overly detailed and needed to be trimmed extensively because there were unsourced critiques about performances and (again) overviews about episodes and films Oliver was in that didn't need to be included. I also agree with the IP that there did not need to be sections solely devoted to a single appearance on a television show. Detailing notability is great, but we do need to follow WP:MOS. As for the false information that is included on this article (and evidently others), thank you for bringing that to my attention. I will remove the content right away.  Pinkadelica ♣  21:41, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Other people have filmographies on wikipedia. If you're the right age, you could come across someone you was in another show. I am not familiar with Sussn Oliver, but I had a case where I recognized 5 people who were appearing on an Alfred Hitchcock episode. Carlm0404 (talk) 05:32, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Origin of her interest in aviation is wrong
Her book says very explicitly that it was Hal Fishman who introduced her to flying in the book's second chapter.The story about Barnes appears to have no support. There is no mention of Barnes in the book. Many other famous aviaion men and women, but not Barnes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.224.195.241 (talk) 06:24, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Assuming you have the book or have access to it, then please edit the article to correct the facts, citing the book. If you are not sure how to cite the book, please see Template:Cite book --hulmem (talk) 16:50, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The word "belied" is misused in this article. "Belied" means that something was made into a lie. "Underlay" might be better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.61.67.36 (talk) 21:13, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

FAA medical limitations
I noticed that user Hulmem had rolled back the corrections I made to my own contribution regarding Oliver's aviation certificates. I had originally written that after the expiration of her medical she could no longer legally pilot an aircraft. I later realized that was incorrect; in fact glider pilots do not need - and I believe have never needed - medical certificates. So I corrected that statement to indicate she could still have flown gliders after her last medical expired. Therefore Hulmem was incorrect in reverting my correction on this one point. Otherwise I appreciate and thank Hulmem for the cleanup and corrections to my grammar. I'm going to take the liberty of changing the assertion regarding her post-medical privileges, but if it gets reverted again by anyone I will not attempt to edit it again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.244.156.90 (talk) 18:28, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Susan Oliver, Guns of Diablo, 1965
Susan Oliver was also in the Guns of Diablo, 1965, along with Charles Bronson, imdb, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058167/. I know not how to enter this into the page & it should be added trying to make the article complete. I just watched to on the Western channel, pretty good old western.

Thanks, OldArkie — Preceding unsigned comment added by OldArkie (talk • contribs) 06:33, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Units
This topic pretty clearly has strong national ties to the US, considering that Oliver was a US actress. Therefor US customary units are primary, as specified by WP:UNITS and WP:STRONGNAT. I am correcting this. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:36, 21 August 2017 (UTC)

An inaccurate sentence!
An inaccurate sentence! "Oliver was cast in three episodes each of Adventures in Paradise, Twilight Zone, Route 66, Dr. Kildare,..." This says that Ms. Oliver was in exactly three episodes of each of the TV series. This was arrantly false, especially since she was in just one episode of "The Twilight Zone", 2 episodes of Route 66 "Welcome to Amity" and " 50 Miles from Home", and only one of several of the others.47.215.180.7 (talk) 20:38, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

The third Route 66 episode she was in was “Between Hello and Goodbye”.--208.107.114.11 (talk) 05:58, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Alfred Hitchcock appearance, 1962
as Annabel Delaney in "Annabel" Carlm0404 (talk) 05:24, 24 September 2020 (UTC)