Talk:Sushant Singh Rajput/Archive 1

Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2020
Died on 14th June 2020 2409:4060:318:6A7E:CDDE:51F9:B635:3AA2 (talk) 11:08, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Megan Barris   (Lets talk📧)  11:19, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2020
The actor died at 12:45 P.M. AdityaUnnao (talk) 11:20, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. TheImaCow (talk) 11:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2020
223.238.148.198 (talk) 13:02, 14 June 2020 (UTC) He may be murdered by closed someone
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. TheImaCow (talk) 13:04, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2020
He was also set to essay 12 real-life characters, Shahnaz2806 (talk) 10:10, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. TheImaCow (talk) 10:30, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅: I searched and found what you wanted to be changed at the bottom of the article. It is advisable that next time you use an easy to make out format as said by . A good request is something like this:

"Please change the following under the Projects Cancelled section From: He is also set to essay 12 real-life characters To: He was also set to essay 12 real-life characters"


 * Cheers, --Field Marshal Aryan (talk) 10:47, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Untitled
who is deleting birth date details? It is coming to notice of many that few criminal minded persons are tampering with birth date and year details of many celebs... how could wiki allow such acts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.96.33.32 (talk) 13:06, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

sameer

This looks like a well designed PR effort. Should wikipedia.com be allowed to be used as a PR tool? I say NO! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.94.124.236 (talk) 15:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (your reason here) --122.172.141.173 (talk) 08:26, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Its about a public personality who is a rather well known movie actor in India. It merely talks about this journey and does not promote any falsehood.

Contested deletion
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (your reason here) --Kennedy34 (talk) 14:38, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

he has appeared in movie that is second biggest hit of the year and biggest in India he deserves his new found superstardom doing Dhoni to perfection.Kennedy34 (talk) 14:38, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because it states facts with proper citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.39.36.37 (talk) 20:10, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Contested deletion
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (your reason here) --27.4.152.147 (talk) 02:45, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

lol

Contested deletion
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (your reason here) --JS (talk) 05:31, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

This is very odd. This guy is a reasonably well known actor. Most things written about actors may appear promotional. There are enough "reliable sources" upon which this page is based. JS (talk) 05:31, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I know he is a known actor in India. However, the way the article has been written makes it promotional, and that is not how things work here on Wikipedia. Everything has to be written from a neutral point of view. If you can help fundamentally rewrite the article without disrupting it and removing speedy tags, it would be great. For the meanwhile, I have undone your edits. Let an admin take a review. Additionally, please do not engage in mild threatening as you did here and here and removing notices like you did here. Best, Nairspecht   (talk)   (work)  08:05, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Multiple birthplaces
Sir, according to this source, the subject was born in Patna and it seems to be an interview. However, according to this 15 May 2019 source, recently updated into the article, writes it as Maldiha. Should I go with the interview one like you suggested in Talk:Varalaxmi Sarathkumar? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:11, 18 May 2019 (UTC)
 * This published on 15 May 2019 seems to be a regurgitation of content (including his birthplace) from this article published on 14 May 2019. And I believe SpotBoye is not reliable. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:13, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Use your best judgment. If it makes more sense to trust an interview, then go with that. It's fairly uncontroversial content. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:14, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I believe I'll keep the interview one, for now. If more reliable sources come up in support of Maldiha then we can change. I've seen in other non reliable sites as well. It seems Patna is more common. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:19, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Edit he will be always alive in our hearts
He commited suicide today. Vaibhav9960 (talk) 09:29, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Committed suicide today. Dinexo (talk) 09:49, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

He Committed Suicide on 14 June 2020 arround 11 am RohitKumarnishad (talk) 07:44, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 June 2020
This will be clear from the postmortem that what is reason behind his suicide. Abhi2511887 (talk) 09:33, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. TheImaCow (talk) 10:31, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Sushant is an inspiration. R.I.P - 14th June 2020 Keshavsingh2511 (talk) 10:53, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Added the time of his death AdityaUnnao (talk) 11:20, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Addition in the exam that he gave
The exam that he gave was dce entrance exam (AIEEE). Now known as JEE Mains. 2405:204:200F:BB1D:FCC8:4CDA:FFC9:90C (talk) 17:26, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. There's no mention of him "giving" an exam. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs)  17:33, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , even I'm not sure of whether he gave exam or not, but because you said: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. I want to make the OP's request more understandable: There is a rumour going around (not sure if it's true) that the subject held a good rank in AIEEE, and the wikipage has it as: According to Rajput, he had ranked seventh in the DCE Entrance Exam in 2003 in the early life section. So, the OP apparently wants this to be corrected as: According to Rajput, he had ranked seventh in the DCE Entrance Exam (AIEEE) in 2003.  Lightbluerain ❄ (Talk | contribs)  08:56, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Pageviews
I love how the pageviews increased from 3,000/day to 7,000,000/day. See here. --TheImaCow (talk) 06:41, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * One doesn't know the value of things till they are gone. Same goes for people. Aaryan 📬 • 🥰 09:50, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2020
162.216.140.20 (talk) 07:58, 15 June 2020 (UTC) Died on 14 June 2020
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done - This has been listed on the page since yesterday. Thank you. Aaryan 📬 • 🥰 09:45, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2020
Nickname - Sush Anaghaxnair (talk) 10:09, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Aaryan 📬 • 🥰 10:25, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2020
Split "Personal life and death" section into two separate sections. Currently it seems to hint that his old relationship with Ankita Lokhande had something to do with his death. 59.95.69.84 (talk) 10:31, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done - Thank you. Aaryan 📬 • 🥰 10:50, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 June 2020
Some info missing Hiyaa Paul (talk) 15:59, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. TheImaCow (talk) 16:01, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 June 2020
Unable to bear the loss the actor, his sister-in-law passed away when his funeral was being conducted. WorldInformer07 (talk) 05:26, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Aaryan 📬 • 🥰 06:24, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Astrophysicist?
He was not probably an astrophysicist. The citation doesn't well support the statement made at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sushant_Singh_Rajput&oldid=962823581. MycrofD (talk) 10:26, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I think someone's taken care of it already. Good catch! Aaryan 📬 • 🥰 12:18, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Relationship
No confirmations about he relationship with kriti sanon and rhea Parvathy kivi (talk) 21:27, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I just removed it. It was unsourced. Thanks for the tip. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:31, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2020
Cause of his death as much as it is suicide, putting it out exactly is seeming to undermine the actor's great ability of acting and all his achievements. I think to make is slightly subtle the wording can be changed to "Battling Depression" or something much better. 84.71.221.1 (talk) 05:16, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Apologies, but refer to WP:NOTCENSORED. Albeit it does sound off, we have to address it as how it is. Also refer to the late Robin Williams who also, unfortunately, passed away after hanging himself due to his bout with depression. Aaryan 📬 • 🥰 12:22, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 June 2020
Change the starting introduction from ‘Indian actor’ to ‘brilliant and highly talented Indian actor’ Sanjana Desai (talk) 20:20, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Unnecessary, biased. Aaryan 📬 • 🥰 20:27, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 June 2020
Have spoken with Sushant on many things. A lot of things here needs correction. Requesting moderators to get in touch for improvising the quality of this page. For the inofmration of everyone, Bollywood for just 20% about Sushant. Honeytech (talk) 05:02, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jack Frost (talk) 10:49, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 June 2020
Why is the titile showing as television actor? That is not correct He is a famous Hindi star please change that and give respect his struggles 66.227.162.14 (talk) 13:53, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:49, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Sushant singh rajput Occupataion changed.
Sushant singh rajput is not an a just a actor. He is a dancer and philanthropist... Please add this to be his occupation. Arunkumarunni (talk) 21:33, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * We don't have an article about him because he is a dancer or a philanthropist, we have an article about him because he is an actor. His other hobbies and activities may not be relevant for the infobox. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:38, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 June 2020
This is to request wikipedia to pls let me edit the subject's wikipedia page so that I can add valuable information (which I have) regarding the subject's suicide with citations for proof and also to edit the entire page to convert present tenses into past tenses......the most important of all I want to make this page better as it seriously lacks of needed information. I am also an old editor with username princeanand2003 but is using this account as that got hacked. Thank you. Flyndfoster (talk) 09:21, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: If you have lost your old account, you can follow the recovery process as per usual. Ed6767  talk!  11:58, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I have tried all the recovery procedures....but they didn't work and that's why I had to start from scratch....so pls allow me to edit the page as I am a reliable editor and not a troll ...if u need any proof ask my wikipedia friend like @flyindfotberserk Thankyou Flyndfoster (talk) 15:30, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 June 2020
Website : selfmusing.com source: https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/sushant-singh-rajput-website-6462748/ Nirzak (talk) 13:11, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:24, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Add the above website on his personal website section. It's his official personal website. I have also included reliable source. Nirzak (talk) 08:59, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * How could it be his official personal website? He died before it was released. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:07, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 June 2020
Sushant Singh Rajput died due to depression and anxiety 2409:4040:413:AE5F:8DEA:660F:6457:1749 (talk) 13:32, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * ❌. No reliable sources — no consideration. El_C 13:34, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 19 June 2020
In the infobox, please change manner of death to asphyxiation. Not suicide. Smrssr (talk) 18:45, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Current article already contains RS that substantiate the claimed cause of death. You will need RS that demonstrate that those are incorrect. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:02, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You already posted this above. There's no need to create multiple discussions. It doesn't make anything go faster. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:33, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 June 2020
Actually, Sushant's Death is not actually confirmed whether it is suicide or not. It can be a murder too. So, cause of death must be changed. NecessaryEdits (talk) 07:00, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

A change should be made. NecessaryEdits (talk) 07:00, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:30, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 June 2020
Cause of death: controversial (Suicide or Homicide) 2A02:908:123:5400:15F8:C332:1E94:B3D1 (talk) 18:57, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:08, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 June 2020
Sushant Singh Rajput's Death is not due to depression. This is fake news. Even for a second, I believe it is due to depression, what was the root cause of depression. What we are getting to know that Bollywood bunch of very high profiles corrupted people have caused this. Sushant was a very bright, talented, hard-working, young, and dynamic star. He was not accepted in the industry after he was successful as he was considered an outsider by these star kids and producers. People of India should stop watching any movies of star kids, Salman Khan. It's a very high conspiracy. Amitsh007 (talk) 05:12, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg This is not a request. please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 05:13, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Amitsh007, if someone has a horrible home life and drinks alcohol constantly to cope with that unhappiness, then one day goes out driving and drives into a cement truck and dies, we don't say that their cause of death was "horrible home life". Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:15, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 June 2020
Death - suicide by hanging is not right. Investigation is still going on. It is not clear. Please remove the word suicide 175.101.17.227 (talk) 07:53, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Danski454 (talk) 11:35, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Real and for now official cause of the death is asphyxia by suffocation, not "suicide hanging". Suicide or murder, the cause of death is still asphyxia, the correct wording should be put. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lastkiss1 (talk • contribs) 17:24, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
 * If you're trying to whitewash the article of the suicide aspect, that's not going to fly, and as I noted in other discussions above, "suffocation" or "asphyxia" without context implies that it was an accident, vs. homicide or suicide, which have very specific meanings. So unless you are proposing language to the effect of "asphyxia due to suicide by hanging", "asphyxia" alone would be incomplete information. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:07, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 June 2020
Death Cause : Murder 76.77.185.169 (talk) 06:28, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also, murder is a crime. It can’t be a cause of death. That would be a homicide. — Tartan357   ( Talk ) 07:46, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Cause of death murder through suicide. Pressurized confrontations with certain individuals through out the course of 1 year. Along with bad publicity release statements and attacks for Sushant Singh Rajput contributed to his murder through his suicide. Helprboionlinne (talk) 10:04, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Huh? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:00, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 June 2020
It should be "On" June and not "In" June. Tunedprune (talk) 07:30, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: No, “in June” is the grammatically correct version. — Tartan357   ( Talk ) 07:47, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 June 2020
to address the circumstances surrounding his death Helprboionlinne (talk) 10:00, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Danski454 (talk) 10:49, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 June 2020
There are enough proof available on the internet that states that sushant did not commit suicide it was a murder. However, I understand until it is proved in the court of law you would not like to mention on the Wikipedia. But it's a humble and sincere request to remove the cause of death as Suicide. As we still don't know if it was really a suicide or otherwise. 10000s of people everyday check Wikipedia and considers it to be a trusted source of information. Please do not misguide the readers. Request you to let the cause of death be unknown if you don't believe that it was a MURDER. Hope to see the change incorporated soon enough. Thank you. 2402:3A80:1865:2ABA:868F:A011:13CD:30CD (talk) 18:29, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Danski454 (talk) 19:11, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Siya Kakkar
Hello anyone can I add the information regarding the death of Siya Kakkar relating to Sushant Singh Rajput's suicide.https://zeenews.india.com/people/no-sushant-singh-rajput-case-angle-in-tiktok-star-siya-kakkar-suicide-says-delhi-police-2292002.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vinothcj (talk • contribs)
 * Why on earth would that be relevant? This is an article about Rajput, not about Kakkar. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:52, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Reference removed
On 1 July 2020, I removed a reference from Sushant Singh Rajput citing a story published by The Free Press Journal in which Kangana Ranaut alleges that SSR's death was not suicide, but a "planned murder." Neither Ranaut nor The Free Press Journal present a shred of evidence to support her conspiracy theory. In my edit summary, I neglected to provide a Wikipedia policy basis for my deletion. Belatedly, here it is: WP:NOTGOSSIP, which proscribes scandal mongering such as The Free Press Journal story represents. It has no place in Wikipedia. NedFausa (talk) 05:25, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Removal of false media mention
At 21:21 4 July 2020 added a {Press} template linking to a story posted at bizasialive.com, which self identifies as "a reliable media and entertainment website." The template is unhidden and displays the following quote from BizAsia: Wikipedia follows the UTC (Coordinated Universal Time) time format, which is 5 hours behind IST (India Standard Time). This means 8:59AM UTC would be 2:59PM in India, when the news was being reported on all major outlets.

That is false. As I explained here at this talk page, India Standard Time's offset of UTC is +5:30 hours. And as shown in our timetable, 08:59 UTC = 02:29 p.m. IST.

Accordingly, I am reverting Gråbergs Gråa Sång's contribution. It is important that we not mislead readers with demonstrably false information that contradicts our accurate explanation already presented at this talk page. NedFausa (talk) 21:50, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Personally, I don't see media mentions being wrong as a reason not to use the template, media is often to some extent wrong, it can be interesting anyway. However, I don't usually add medias without WP-articles and I won't argue over it. Maybe something better will turn up. But no, it's not important to exclude media that says different things than Wikipedians on talk-pages, they have also on occasion been wrong. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:11, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


 * This is not rocket science. Your latest addition says "there is a difference of about 5 hours" between UTC and IST. No, there is a difference of exactly 5½ hours. Why you insist on adding these garbage media mentions from India is a mystery to me. NedFausa (talk) 22:51, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


 * And your dislike revert of "about" is a similar mystery to me (actually, it seems a little unreasonable). This is not article-space, we are not discussing WP:RS. The "insistence" comes from that I sometimes find it interesting when WP-articles get into the media. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:41, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 July 2020
Change cause of death to “Murder” 2406:3003:2006:3C2D:B06F:A7F3:F73C:806E (talk) 14:38, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ❌. WP:RS do not support such a change. NedFausa (talk) 14:56, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Removed films
Sushant singh rajput- www.newshelp.in/sushant-singh-rajput-ki-death-kaise-hui/

, I've reverted this edit of yours because your assertion that the movie is filming is not supported by the reference you chose, which says fairly unambiguously that the film isn't being made. "I'm devastated that Paani didn't get made: Shekhar Kapur comforts Sushant" It's unclear to me why you added this. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:49, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

, Thanks dear to revert that by mistake that happened, I will do my future edits with my full attention. Peakat (talk) 13:30, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Thoughts on edit?
- Would appreciate your thoughts on the mention of the website his team launched that I added earlier? diff, where my text was removed and my old revision with said edit. Thank you! Aaryan 📬 • 🥰 20:31, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I personally don't see the long-term academic relevance of including information about a website that catalogues his dreams. What quality articles have something like this, and how is it any different from advertising a subject's Twitter page in the middle of the article, which we would not do? I don't even think it would qualify under WP:ELNO, although that might be debatable. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:41, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Information mentioned on this page is valided only from third party sources(which again can be wrong). added the website which is the only factual and official refernce source of information about him.
 * Also, i have spoken with Sushant on many things which has been added as bio earlier, all those information has also been removed. His fans also know him because he was entrepreneur, and philanthropist. Someone removed that too. Please help and fix these informations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Honeytech (talk • contribs) 07:01, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * If you knew Rajput, you have a clear conflict of interest and you shouldn't be editing this article at all. People with conflicts of interest have a very difficult time approaching article subjects objectively. As I stated clearly above, we do not advertise article subjects' blogs. Wikipedia is not an advertising platform. It's not like he was a journalist who donated all of his work to a museum or library, we're literally talking about a blog of his random thoughts and content from his dream journals. Not encyclopedic, sorry. This is an encyclopedia, not a memorial to Rajput.
 * As for the other content, the occupation parameter of the infobox and the lead sentence is supposed to indicate why the subject is notable, not list every hobby the subject had. He presumably is notable because he was an actor. Yes, he made money and participated in other ventures like entrepreneurship and philanthropy, but neither of those is unique to Rajput—many wealthy people are involved in some form of entrepreneurship and philanthropy. We never would have written an article about him if he was philanthropic, but not an actor, right? And someone who launched a business in 2018 would almost certainly never have a Wikipedia article just for being an entrepreneur. The third paragraph of the lead seems to cover his entrepreneurship and philanthropic works, so it's not clear to me what you're complaining about.
 * Lastly, we use reliable secondary sources (like news articles, magazines, books) for most of our content, not primary sources like the subject's blog. You should familiarise yourself with Wikipdia referencing guidelines before arguing about the sources. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:38, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , per 100% agree. Read WP:COI carefully. Glen 15:59, 18 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Got the point. Really appriciate the explanations Sir. Feel free to reach out for any help or validations of information which is benefical for people watching this page(*only if falls under right policy like WP:AD or WP:V orWP:DTTC or WP:FRINGE or WP:NPOV or WP:ASSERT) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Honeytech (talk • contribs) 07:18, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

I think the website his team has launched should be added in this wiki page. 'Cause any information related to Sushant with official sources should be added in this wiki article. Nirzak (talk) 16:52, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
 * 'Cause any information related to Sushant with official sources should be added in this wiki article. Um, no, per WP:V "Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion". Editors have to consider the academic value of including details about his dream journal, and it seems that this would be of super-low value, unless the journal itself was noteworthy for some reason. Every celebrity has a social media outlet. I'm sure many celebrities have personal journals. We don't typically care enough about those details to include them in most other articles, so why would we care here? Because he killed himself? Pointless. Promotional. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:02, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Editnotice for talk page
Should we add an edit notice to this talk page saying something like this:?

It may help cut back on the number of edit requests here. Danski454 (talk) 19:17, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I've added a stop hand. I'm happy to remove it if other people want to. Danski454 (talk) 19:31, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Added second sentence and emphasis. Danski454 (talk) 20:08, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * A good suggestion, but I don't believe edit notices are seen by editors using the mobile version of the site, and most of the people creating the disruption are using mobile editing. I've semi-protected the talk page, because at this point it's a bit disruptive to have random people stop by to demand changes to the article based on unfounded suppositions and conspiracy theories. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:55, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Automagic Archiving
Given how popular this talkpage is at present, I have taken the liberty of setting up auto-archiving of threads after 14 days. Please do not hesitate to (1) alter the settings for the bot or (2) remove auto-archiving entirely, should anyone disagree. Thanks, --Jack Frost (talk) 14:40, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Del alleged movie content
In this edit I deleted the content about the proposed fan-funded film "Suicide or Murder". As far as I can tell, this is an entirely hypothetical project. The producer and director who are alleged to be attached are not notable, the proposed "star" of the hypothetical film is a non-notable TikTok personality, there is no studio attached, there's no money secured, so keeping all of that in perspective, it is an entirely vapourous project. There is zero certainty that it will ever see the light of day, and we are under no obligation to promote hypothetical projects. And per normal community practise, we typically don't draw attention to proposed projects until filming has begun. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:52, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yesterday, in heralding Suicide or Murder: A Star Was Lost, the Hindustan Times reported: Now, within a month of his death, two films have been announced which are inspired by the life of the late actor. (Emphasis added.) My Google search for the second such project came up empty. But hope springs eternal. NedFausa (talk) 19:08, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's all hype. I think credibility is important here, and unless a credible studio has a project "on floors" as they say (in production), it would likely not be worthy of inclusion. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:11, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Aftermath
On July 25, 2020, The New York Times, The Washington Post, and USA Today published an Associated Press story relating how Sushant Singh Rajput's death has fueled discord over nepotism in Bollywood. "A rancorous debate around what pushed him to take his life," reads the report, "has a bevy of angry actors and filmmakers facing off on social media. … National Film Award-winning actress Kangana Ranaut, in widely shared social media posts, has accused the powerful Bollywood studio owners, influential filmmakers and movie critics of pushing Rajput over the edge by their alleged lack of support for the actor." Under Personal life and death, we currently have no Aftermath subsection dealing with the societal consequences, including industry ramifications, flowing from Rajput's suicide. Such developments, however, are increasingly being reported by reliable sources. Is it time to make a place for them? NedFausa (talk) 16:11, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , agreed, it's slowly turning into India's #MeToo (in the sense that other celebrities like Simi Garewal, Kadar Khan and A.R. Rahman are coming out publicly about the ostracism they've faced in the industry). SerChevalerie (talk) 18:59, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Social consequences
Should we attempt to trace the societal impact of Sushant Singh Rajput's death? On July 23, 2020, with the edit summary How is this relevant?, reverted my inclusion of the following content: That same day, upset about the actor's death, a 13-year-old girl reportedly committed suicide using the same method as Rajput. Police said she was found hanging from the ceiling of her home in Durg, a city in the Indian state of Chhattisgarh.

I propose that social effects—whether positive or negative—are indeed relevant. For example, if Rajput's death were, per reliable sources, to spur increased awareness of depression and suicide in India, resulting in reduced taboos against seeking treatment or crisis intervention, that would be a significant development. Likewise (but of course regrettably), a copycat suicide in which a note is found indicating the victim took her life because she was distraught about SSR's death, is also germane. I acknowledge the dangers of sensationalism, but if handled responsibly, such content could improve our article about an actor whose death has transcended show business and affected the broader fabric of Indian life. NedFausa (talk) 21:12, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * There are two main concerns I have: listing people who hanged themselves suggests causality between their death and Rajput's, where there may only be correlation. It would have to be very clear that the person was doing it inspired by Rajput, which at least superficially seems to be the case in the link you provided. People also could have been inspired by Rajput's death and taken poison instead of hanging themselves and maybe we'd never know that, because maybe the means (i.e. hanging) is what inspires the conclusion that they were copying Rajput. We need to avoid any sort of speculative content, as you know. We'd also have to consider the long-term academic value of this information. If unstable people imitate a celebrity, is it worthy of note in perpetuity? I'm not 100% sure of that, but am willing to consider it. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:54, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't believe this is relevant, because this is one person (thus far), and there's no real gain to be had unless there's a rash of them and it becomes clear it was due to his own suicide (claims which would require strong sourcing per BLP). For all we know, the only reason the deaths are connected is because they were suicide by hanging and the other suicidee was a fan. We don't have enough details to prove causation or correlation; implying so verges on synthesis and puts too much weight on the death. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh.... 23:49, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your opinion, because part of what was going on my head when I wrote above, "which at least superficially seems to be the case", was a consideration that parents, looking for rhyme or reason for why their kid killed herself, might be desperate to satisfy pain by focussing on correlative data, like that she was a fan of Rajput's. I don't know that any parents across the world are ever really as astute about their teenage kid's likes/dislikes/obsessions/hatreds as they might think, and might be seeking something to blame. The decades-old stories about American rock bands being blamed for suicides stick in my mind. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:37, 27 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The blame for that is mainly due to moral panic, especially over backmasking (which the moral guardians claimed was being used to hide subliminal messages). That's not what's going on here. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh.... 18:08, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

WP:NOTCENSORED
As a Westerner, I've been struggling to understand the fierce resistance of so many Indians to Wikipedia, citing reliable sources, describing Sushant Singh Rajput's untimely death as suicide. This backlash has manifested in numerous reverted edits to the article space and rejected edit requests posted at this talk page, all demanding that we sanitize Rajput's bio by purging any mention of suicide. The onslaught was severe enough to require protection of both pages.

If I may be allowed latitude in skirting WP:NOTSOAPBOX in order to help editors improve this bio through greater insight into the issue, I'd point to Wikipedia's informative Suicide in India, which suggests that our critics are turning a blind eye in this case. In 2016, suicide was the most common cause of death in India among the age group 15–39 years. (Sushant Singh Rajput killed himself at age 34.) In 2012, hanging was the method of 26% of suicides in India. (Sushant Singh Rajput hanged himself.) Also in 2012, Mumbai ranked fourth in suicides among India's largest cities, only slightly behind Delhi. (Sushant Singh Rajput killed himself at his home in Bandra, a suburb of Mumbai.)

Finally, Wikipedia notes that until commencement in July 2018 of the Mental Healthcare Act, 2017, suicide was illegal in India. In his 2009 essay "Death Systems and Suicide Around the World", Canadian psychologist Antoon Leenaars attributed India's longstanding suicide taboo to religion. (According to the 2011 census, 79.8% of India's population practices Hinduism.) The Hindu believes in determinism, the law of karma. A belief in free will makes little sense; it also makes death, including suicide, difficult to accept. … Suicide is strongly forbidden; it is against Hindu belief. … In Hinduism, an even stronger force [than the legal code] in India, there are acts that are permanent pollutions/impurities; suicide is one. These cannot be overcome, even after death. Indeed, no reading of the Gita or other text may save the suicide. The soul may suffer permanently.

Our relevant policy advises: Wikipedia may contain content that some readers consider objectionable or offensive—even exceedingly so. Attempting to ensure that articles and images will be acceptable to all readers, or will adhere to general social or religious norms, is incompatible with the purposes of an encyclopedia. (Emphasis added.) That sums up why we are justified in using the word suicide when supported by WP:RS. Hopefully, by a deeper appreciation of why Indians find that word offensive, editors will exercise patience in responding to attempts and exhortations to censor this bio. NedFausa (talk) 18:18, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I think in this case, we're probably talking about a small group of Rajput fanatics who are thinking emotionally, rather than rationally. Some articles have portrayed Rajput as a victim of an insular, cliquish community that doesn't support new talent--specifically people like him. This portrayal, probably increases the emotional response that fanatics would have about their idol Rajput. When facts are in conflict with our emotions, the brain goes wonky, and we start believing odd bollox. Interesting Wired article on the psychology of conspiracy theories here. There might also be educational limitations here. A lot of people may have mobile phones, and some amount of literacy, but may not be educated in things like researching and critical thinking, which you often find at university level. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:21, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Kindly revise your knowledge. It is not confirmed as suicide. The matter is still inclusive. Wikipedia domhiw concludes it prematurely. Yours truly 16:20, 19 July 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swami1980 (talk • contribs)

Correction : The matter is still inconclusive. Let not our respected Wikipedia end up with an egg on its face. Yours truly 16:22, 19 July 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swami1980 (talk • contribs)
 * Wikipedia doesn't pursue Truth with a capital T. We write about what is reported. Otherwise, we'd have to wait until the police finish their investigation to even call Rajput dead, right? I mean how do we know for sure that he's dead until the police finish their investigation? "It is not confirmed as suicide." You're wrong. If the media says that the police called it a suicide, like NDTV did, then that's a confirmation, and it is sufficient for our purposes. If, at a later point, different information comes out and "suicide" is no longer relevant, then we will adjust accordingly, likely with context about how it was first reported, compared to what the final determination was. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:28, 19 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Editors, please consider removing all references to cause of death. This is not accurate and not aligned to Wikipedia's pursuit of facts. The public, and government/police departments of different states have differing views. Best practice is not to use words suicide or otherwise. Abh gup (talk) 06:21, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It has been considered and rejected. Best practice is to use what reliable secondary sources have quoted the police as saying, and that is "suicide". If that changes, Wikipedia will adjust accordingly. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:24, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Conspiracy theory
Editors should beware a social media conspiracy theory, emanating from India, that seeks to implicate Wikipedia in covering up foul play by attributing Sushant Singh Rajput's death to suicide. The claim is that Wikipedia was updated to that effect before SSR was found dead! On June 16, 2020, the online portal Oneindia related that, according to Mumbai police, SSR spoke to his sister around 9 a.m. on the morning of his death, and an hour later had a glass of juice. Meaning he was still alive at 10 a.m., India Standard Time. Conspiracy theorists have pounced on Wikipedia's first edits attributing SSR's death to suicide, posted at 08:59 14 June 2020 by IP 139.5.242.88 (Delhi) and 09:08 14 June 2020 by IP 117.210.206.190 (Lucknow). How, they demand, could Wikipedia have announced his suicide an hour before he died? This stems, of course, from a common misunderstanding of Wikipedia's edit history, which uses UTC. Due to IST's offset of UTC +5:30 hours, our first edit suggesting SSR killed himself came two hours after he was found dead, and at exactly the same time as Times Now, a 24-hour English news channel in India, reported his suicide on worldwide social media. NedFausa (talk) 01:49, 1 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi there, your notes about the death timeline and subsequent reporting are appreciated. The conspiracy theory push is largely why the article, and the talk page, have been protected. Not only were the announcements of his death attributed to reliable sources, but the causes of death were as well, and subsequent talk page requests to change the cause of death were all unsourced and reeking of unfounded conspiracy nonsense, as is demonstrable by looking at the above notes or going through the edit history. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:33, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , Actually, some users have been attacking me on my talk page, thinking that I was the one who made the edits yet I just reverted them since they were unsourced, check here Megan Barris   (Lets talk📧)  09:17, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Let me know if it continues. I'm not a fan of willful ignorance or SPAs/anons harassing people. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I see that even the Indian right-wing news portal OpIndia has debunked this conspiracy theory. "The claim that the fan made about someone being aware of Sushant's death before he committed suicide," OpIndia concludes, "is false." Ironically, OpIndia is on Wikipedia's spam blacklist, having been deemed generally unreliable due to a poor reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. In this instance, however, OpIndia got it right (no pun intended). NedFausa (talk) 16:01, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , even OpIndia, my god. Very silly one here though, it takes two seconds to read (UTC) and know that's the time Wikipedia uses. Thanks for leaving a summary here. Ed 6767   talk!  16:23, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Timetable – 14 June 2020
UTC = Coordinated Universal Time IST  = India Standard Time WP  = Wikipedia;  IP = unregistered users who edit via their IP address

NedFausa (talk) 20:43, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

FAQ
I propose adding Template:FAQ to explain in one prominent place our editorial justification for dealing with controversies surrounding the death of Sushant Singh Rajput. For example, I have taken the liberty of paraphrasing a comment elsewhere on this page by : '''Q1: Why does the infobox show Suicide by hanging as the cause of death?
 * A1: Wikipedia relies on what reliable published sources have said about official determinations. The police, as is properly sourced, have called this death a suicide. They are still investigating other matters related to the death, such as possible abetment and fraud, but that doesn't mean the death is a "mystery". If the police determine that their original ruling of suicide in Rajput's case is inaccurate, Wikipedia will adjust to reflect any new findings, as well as note what was originally reported vs. what any new finding said.

NedFausa (talk) 16:00, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The key to a good and useful FAQ imo is to realise people have short attention spans. When you're on a site filled with words everywhere, and click on the talk page and see big paragraphs and lots of bold text everywhere, you probably don't want to read much. It should be two sentences at the most. Use simple words to address the broadest possible audience and throw in a few links to the (convoluted) Wikipedia guidelines. The ones at Talk:Killing of George Floyd are a pretty good example of these ideas imo. Less elaboration is actually more imv. Along the same lines as an FAQ, an editnotice with information on the BLP policy and need for good sourcing is probably also not the worst idea (example). ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:21, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The closest analogy at Talk:Killing of George Floyd is A4, which consists of three bullet points containing a total of nine sentences. Some answers are not amenable to two sentences. NedFausa (talk) 18:28, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

A related discussion at administrator 's user talk page may prove instructive. It was opened by and concerns two articles that have been repeatedly targeted by OpIndia, the Indian right-wing news portal: 2020 Delhi riots and Jai Shri Ram. I found this observation by Newslinger surprising: The only caveat is that the FAQ template does not show up on the Wikipedia mobile website, which means that most editors who use a smartphone to access Wikipedia will not be able to see it. NedFausa (talk) 14:17, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Editnotices also don't show on mobile (see ). Looking at the tags, it does look like a good number of problematic edits here were done on mobile, though not all. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 16:23, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * There are quite a few templates that aren't visible on the mobile website, and this is an ongoing problem that needs to be discussed at the technical section of the village pump. While it's up to MediaWiki developers to implement mobile editnotices, I'm fairly certain that template design is the responsibility of the Wikipedia community. —  Newslinger  talk   04:38, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , which template do you mean? If the FAQ, then I think those banners are hidden by the mobile view, but not entirely sure. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 10:02, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think any Tmbox-based templates, such as FAQ, are visible on the mobile website. For example, here is a list of pages in the Wikipedia namespace that use Tmbox, and any of the pages on this list can demonstrate this. You can switch to the mobile view (even on a desktop or laptop) by clicking on the "Mobile view" link at the bottom of any Wikipedia page. To switch back, go to the bottom of the page again and click the "Desktop" link. —  Newslinger  talk   10:25, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * On this talk page, none of the boxes above the table of contents will show on mobile, because they all belong to the  class (even if they don't use  itself). There is nothing that can be done about it here: it would require a sitewide change, so is out of scope for this talk page. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 12:24, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

'''Q2: Can we include Sushant Singh Rajput was undergoing treatment and taking medication for bipolar disorder? as reported by NDTV,Economic Times and Times Now. It has been mentioned The Mumbai Police have recorded statements of three psychiatrists and a psychotherapist as part of their investigation into the suicide case, a claim only contested by the actor's family. All other celebs that have been in some form diagnosed or known taking medication for bipolar disorder has the ailment mentioned under Personal Life. Regards, Dipindgr8 (talk) 11:16, 04 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm confused, is this a question that you are asking, or is this a suggestion for the FAQ list? If it's the latter, this should probably be incorporated into the section above. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 13:16, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It is a suggestion I have for the article. I assume this is important verified information especially since it is a big part in the investigation. Dipindgr8 (talk) 04:02, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Notification
There is a separate article here about his death. Best Megan Barris   (Lets talk📧)  12:19, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia never had any article pertaining to death of anybody. Suggest the article be merged into this page. Abbasquadir (talk) 13:44, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * you are mistaken. Wikipedia has separate articles on the deaths of many celebrities and historical figures. See, for example:
 * Death of Marilyn Monroe
 * Murder of John Lennon
 * Assassination of Mahatma Gandhi
 * Sushant Singh Rajput is in good company. NedFausa (talk) 13:59, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No offence, but to be very honest, didn't even knew him until his suicide news started flashing on news channels. Again, leave it to you guys.Abbasquadir (talk) 14:03, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Cause of death
Change cause of death from "suicide due to hanging" to "asphyxia due to hanging" because the angle of suicide or murder is still under investigation 2401:4900:490A:9208:7E78:7EFF:FE5C:73A9 (talk) 16:04, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:21, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Cause of death is still under probe, just 2 hours SC said his death occurred under "Mysterious circumstances". I request an edit under death cause, saying "Under probe or Investigation" Chodanpatti (talk) 09:43, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Cause of death is not under probe; the police have explicitly called it suicide when talking to the Times of India and practically every source that proffers a cause of death says it is suicide. The investigation going on isn't looking for the "how" at this point, more the "why" and "what happens next". —A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh.... 10:18, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You misrepresented who said SSR died under "mysterious circumstances." On 4 August 2020, Ajay Agarwal, a lawyer and politician of India's ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), filed public interest litigation (PIL) in the Supreme Court including an additional affidavit in which he contended that SSR "was found dead in mysterious circumstances." The Supreme Court did not say that. Ajay Agarwal did. NedFausa (talk) 23:32, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

This is unacceptable. There is a pending investigation. Readers are being misled. Requesting permission to edit this or original poster to correct immediatelyPilot03 (talk) 15:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)Pilot03
 * Please familiarize yourself with Edit requests and Template:Edit extended-protected in order to make a proper request. NedFausa (talk) 16:15, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If there was a pending investigation about the cause of death, then it would be unlikely that five doctors would sign off on it being a "clear case of suicide" as reported in multiple sources.. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:05, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

until any conclusive outcome is reached, the cause of death should remain as the original : “asphysixia due to hanging” - as this removes the word “suicide” as this is not confirmed & also goes with chance this is possible “stages hanging”.

MAIN cause of death is physical evidence someone is no more, which in this case is lack of oxygen, asphyxia. Technically only “asphyxia” should be written, but if majority of readers want to add the “due to hanging” it is okay for now. Please all just continue to be respectful to one another & remember the heart of the person whose page this is. CBI Investigation is underway & if this was a suicide, this case would have already been closed. thank you. Justiceforssr (talk) 15:12, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Edit warring over death in infobox
, please STOP your edit warring and disruptive editing. You have already violated WP:3RR despite being informed about it, so please self-revert and discuss the issue here before reinstating your problematic edits. SerChevalerie (talk) 20:15, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

, You are creating problems for me I have already mentioned it as a mystery with an authenticated source because it has still not been resolved yet and you are just acting like kiddish by reverting my edits, please be mature of making such edits without giving me the proper answer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack Shukla (talk • contribs) 15:20, August 1, 2020 (UTC)
 * The sources are both unanimous and (for the most part) unambiguous that it's suicide. We go by what the sources say, not what stans fervently wish. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh.... 22:09, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Since you have been sanctioned for edit-warring, keep this in mind, please, moving forward: Wikipedia isn't a conspiracy theory website and we don't cater to fringe opinion of any sort. We care what reliable published sources have said about official determinations, and so far, the police, as is properly sourced, have called this death a suicide. They are still investigating other matters related to the death, like possible abetment and fraud and other things, but that doesn't mean the death is a "mystery". New York City's 9/11 attacks are not a "mystery";Coronavirus is not a "mystery", despite both matters still having large populations of people who suspect conspiracies. If the police determine that their original ruling of suicide in Rajput's case is inaccurate, Wikipedia will adjust to reflect any new findings as well as note what was originally reported, vs. what any new finding said, because that's how our community adjusts to new information. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:26, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a superb summation of where we're at. I wish we could place this in a banner at the top of the article. NedFausa (talk) 14:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Speaking of, an FAQ at the top would be a good idea. This article is suffering from the same perennial problems as Killing of George Floyd (and associated articles) and an FAQ seemed to help there. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 15:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I support adding FAQ to this talk page, but I've never done one of those and would have to defer to someone with know-how. NedFausa (talk) 15:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I think the first move would be to create a FAQ discussion thread and propose some potential issues to address. Once the list is created and everybody agrees on it, then a template could be created. I don't know the mechanics of that, but I'm sure someone at the Help Desk could answer that. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

My 2cents, use the same detail which is present in the article on his death. It reads that he died of asphyxia due to hanging. More technical and serve the purpose in either case of suicide or murder. OpenMindedBloke (talk) 03:15, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

agree with OpenMindedBloke - as I placed following in another thread too :

until any conclusive outcome is reached, the cause of death should remain as the original : “asphysixia due to hanging” - as this removes the word “suicide” as this is not confirmed & also goes with chance this is possible “stages hanging”.

MAIN cause of death is physical evidence someone is no more, which in this case is lack of oxygen, asphyxia. Technically only “asphyxia” should be written, but if majority of readers want to add the “due to hanging” it is okay for now. Please all just continue to be respectful to one another & remember the heart of the person whose page this is. CBI Investigation is on-going, which further proves there is more details to his death than are yet known, if this was a suicide case, it would have been closed by now. Justiceforssr (talk) 15:10, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * We don't need the same comment pasted in multiple discussion threads. As for your statement Technically only “asphyxia” should be written, there is no guideline at Wikipedia that supports that assertion. The rest of your comment I have already responded to in one of the other discussion threads you responded to, but apparently didn't read. Feel free to search the page for "clear case of suicide". Further, I don't think that anyone's going to take your position seriously when you appear to only be at Wikipedia to push a "Justiceforssr" agenda. Wikipedia is not a soapbox or a place for you to perform your SSR advocacy. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:47, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

It’s ok you can have the last word. I have READ your disrespectful comments everywhere, thanks. Justiceforssr (talk) 21:38, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , please don't comment on editors - that's not helpful for a collaborative environment like Wikipedia, especially on an article talk page. I think everyone here understands the point you are making, but that it's being disagreed with because of how most reliable sources are describing this.  That's how Wikipedia works - WP:NPOV says to describe things as reliable sources describe them.  If things change, and reliable sources begin describing otherwise, Wikipedia articles will also change.  Wikipedia doesn't try to be disrespectful to anyone (you can see that in many of the WP:BLP principles), but we also strive to be neutral by using only what reliable sources say.   Ravensfire  (talk) 21:00, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

ok thank you, i appreciate how you had respectfully worded this in comparison to the original editor. If they had just been a bit more respectful, this could’ve been avoided. Reliable sources are an opinion, but it is okay, if changes need to be made later, Wikipedia will do so. In support of collaborative environments, with neutral behavior yet also respectfulness & decency. thanks again! Justiceforssr (talk) 07:11, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Height
On July 16, 2020, Hindustan Times, one of India's largest newspapers, reported the emergence in the wake of Rajput's suicide of "a massive online campaign fuelled by conspiracy theories." One manifestation is the hashtag #SSRCaseIsNotSuicide on Twitter, where dozens of tweets have assailed Wikipedia. Specifically, these conspiracy theorists focus on Rajput's height, which they rightly point out "was edited on Wikipedia on the day of his death." To the conspiracists, this matters because Wikipedia "changed his height as soon as we caught on the fact that its impossible for sushant to have hung from the fan." It's impossible, they say, because Rajput's height was 183 cm (6ft 0in), and the "distance between his bed and the motor of fan is 5ft 11 inches." It somehow eludes these math wizards that after tying his kurta as a noose, Rajput could simply have stepped off the bed, allowing enough distance from his dangling feet to the floor in which the kurta could go taut and strangle him. No, as they see it, Wikipedia reduced his height by two inches to fool readers into believing that this, and only this, would enable his suicide by hanging.

In any case, as this talk page's resident debunker, I thought it might be informative to trace what we did and when we did it.
 * At the time Sushant Singh Rajput's suicide was announced on worldwide social media, and for the preceding 34 days (when an administrator removed 183 cm for being unsourced), Wikipedia's BLP did not show the actor's height.
 * It was added half an hour afterward as 1.78 m (5 ft 10 in) [conversions are automatic]
 * but survived only 91 minutes.
 * Nine hours later the same height was restored
 * but after two hours was again removed, this time by an administrator in accordance with Template:Infobox person, which directs that a height parameter should be included only if the person was notable for their height.

There is no reason to suspect that users (account created 19 March 2020) or Thedravidan (account created 25 March 2019), neither of whom had previously edited this article, inserted SSR's height for any purpose other than to improve Wikipedia. Since their sitewide contributions suggest that both users are Indian, it's feasible they copied (5 ft 10 in) from Hindi Wikipedia, whose Sushant Singh Rajput entry has listed his height as 5 फीट 10 इंच—sans reference—since its creation more than six years ago. NedFausa (talk) 23:39, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Incidentally, on August 4, 2020, I tried blanking the infobox height parameter at Sushant Singh Rajput's page on Hindi Wikipedia. Half an hour later, an Indian editor reverted my change. I then opened a new section at the talk page and explained that we removed SSR's height from the English Wikipedia because we could find no reliable source, and requested that if Indian editors have such a source, they add it to SSR's Hindi page. There has been no response. In any case, by likewise showing his height as 5′ 10″, the Google Search knowledge panel inadvertently helps fuel the conspiracy theory about English Wikipedia covering up SSR's murder. It would be ironic indeed if Google is drawing that unsubstantiated data point from Hindi Wikipedia, and we can do nothing to correct it. NedFausa (talk) 04:18, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Update. Seven hours after I posted my preceding comment, Indian user Rohit Sau 27 blanked the infobox height parameter at Hindi Wikipedia's Sushant Singh Rajput page, with an edit summary noting "sourceless content removed." As for the Google Search knowledge panel, at this hour it shows SSR's Height: 5′ 10″ Trending, meaning that term is more frequently entered into Google's search engine relative to the site's total search volume over a given period of time. In other words, the conspiracy peddlers have struck a chord that is growing in resonance. NedFausa (talk) 17:11, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

'Suicide by hanging' or 'asphyxiation' in infobox
The infobox lists the cause of death as 'suicide by hanging'. The current version of §Death avoids explicitly labelling his death as a suicide; I'm assuming this is due to a lack of evidence that has been made public.

Will it not be better then for the infobox to state the cause of death as 'asphyxiation' or 'strangulation' or the like, and not mention 'suicide' at this stage?

Just want to hear from the rest of the editors; I'll edit the infobox in a few hours if no one has any reservations. If the subject's death has been reported in proper sources as a suicide then there is no reason not to explicitly state it as such in §Death. —I&#39;llbeyourbeach (talk) 13:33, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey there, I think it's well-established that this was a suicide by hanging. The death subsection has been changed a few times. I think someone might have deleted the death cause from this section for some reason. Here are some references: "asphyxia due to hanging", Additional Commissioner of Police said "the actor 'committed suicide at his residence in Bandra'", "in what police said appeared to be a case of suicide." Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:24, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late response, but alrighty—on second thought/read I wouldn't say §Death "avoids" labelling his death for what it was. I don't have any concerns anymore, thank you for the response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by I'llbeyourbeach (talk • contribs) 18:15, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm curious as to your thoughts about the widespread misunderstanding caused by this article's Template:Infobox person, which provides a parameter for death_cause but no option for manner of death. Wikipedia's page Cause of death does not mention suicide, but does say The cause of death is a specific disease or injury, in contrast to the manner of death which is a small number of categories like "natural", "accident", and "homicide". Wikipedia's page Manner of death, however, does include suicide among the external causes of an unnatural death. By comparison, our sister project Wikidata offers a more robust palette. Its page for Sushant Singh Rajput specifies asphyxiation as cause of death and suicide as manner of death. If our infobox had enabled us to be equally precise, considerable confusion might have been avoided. NedFausa (talk) 19:39, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how much confusion would actually have been avoided, since I think some of the quote-unquote "confusion" is manufactured from blinded fans who are experiencing cognitive dissonance. (Not talking about editor I'llbeyourbeach above.) Over the last few years, the Wikipedia community has been increasingly reticent to add parameters or even clarity to vague wording in manuals of style and Infobox instructions, so I'm not terribly confident anybody would have the guts to expand the infobox or provide clear instruction on the parameter usage. If it's necessary, a combined phrasing could be added, like "Asphyxia, due to suicide by hanging" or something, but I don't know if we need that. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:02, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your thoughtful reply. Unless you can see a downside, I support substituting the combined phrasing Asphyxia, due to suicide by hanging. NedFausa (talk) 20:32, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I won't contest it, but be prepared to defend if someone else does. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:44, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
 * : Can this be updated to "Depression" or "Asphyxia"? As we don't mention on other wiki pages if someone dies due to a suicide. for example if you check Sridevi's page, it just says cause of death due to drowning not "Suicide by drowning" Kupcake92 (talk) 18:15, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think depression itself is usually a cause of death. It's typically a contributor. And asphyxia, without supplementary data, is vague. Does that mean the person had a carbon monoxide leak in their house? Did someone suffocate them? According to sources, Sridevi's death was accidental, so that's not a great analogue for a suicide. And addressing your statement "we don't mention on other wiki pages if someone dies due to a suicide", yes we absolutely do. Have yerself a gander at List of suicides in the 21st century. Also Wikipedia is not censored, so it's unclear why you'd think it's appropriate to try to omit a pertinent detail about the subject's death. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:33, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Please modify to death from asphyxiation. Suicide angle is being challenged. Smrssr (talk) 18:38, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Challenged by whom? If you don't bring references, how do you expect a resulting change to the article? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:43, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

The case of Sushant Singh Rajput has been registered in National Human right Commission by Advocate Gaurav Arora, under the catagory of 'Failure in taking lawful action' which is accepted by NHRC on 7th july 2020. Case No-758/13/16/2020, check status- https://hrcnet.nic.in/HRCNet/public/CaseStatus.aspx .So it is a humble request to kindly change the cause of death to 'Under Investigation' or any other appropriate word other than 'Suicide'. --2409:4062:193:1A72:8535:C764:AE2C:F8F9 (talk) 10:15, 8 July 2020 (UTC) https://hrcnet.nic.in/HRCNet/public/CaseStatus.aspx--2409:4062:193:1A72:8535:C764:AE2C:F8F9 (talk) 10:15, 8 July 2020 (UTC)


 * The link you provide cannot be used to make the requested change. Since HRCNet is a primary source, to cite it without verification from a reliable third-party publication would violate No original research. NedFausa (talk) 15:10, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up. On July 12, 2020, Case No. 758/13/16/2020 was dismissed in limine (at the start) with the following explanation: On perusal of the complaints listed above, it is seen that the matter raised in the complaints is pending before a State Commission or any other Commission duly constituted under any law for the time being in force, hence it is barred under section 36 (1) of the Protection of Human Rights Act 1993, which reads as follows: "36. Matters not subject to jurisdiction of the Commission (1) The Commission shall not inquire into any matter which is pending before a State Commission or any other Commission duly constituted under any law for the time being in force." Therefore, the complaints are filed and the cases are closed. NedFausa (talk) 20:24, 25 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Spelling out "asphyxia due to suicide by haning" as the cause of death seems quite bizarre. Asphyxia is not a cause, it's rather a mechanism of death. Would you ever write "crushing" as the cause of death if someone fell from a height, or "head trauma alt. bleeding out" if someone died in a car crash? It would seem quite morbid.

Suicide is a cause of death in List of causes of death by rate. We have a de facto consensus in naming suicide plus the manner of suicide in the infoboxes. See e.g. Robin Williams, Chris Cornell, Kurt Cobain. ––St.nerol (talk) 07:33, 26 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia's page Cause of death explains, The cause of death is a specific disease or injury, in contrast to the manner of death which is a small number of categories like "natural", "accident", "suicide", and "homicide". (Note: I added suicide to that list today per cited source.) To quote the source verbatim, "Cause of Death is a term used to indicate the medical cause of death." (Emphasis added.) In the case of Sushant Singh Rajput, as our Infobox correctly states, asphyxia is the medical cause of death and suicide is the method that produced asphyxiation. I concede that absent a policy or guideline as to how to complete the death_cause parameter in Template:Infobox person, we must look to consensus. However, when you infer "a de facto consensus" from infoboxes of other celebrities, I assume it's because you cannot find a community-wide consensus to that effect. Given none, editors have latitude to form local consensus from article to article.


 * To date, this talk page section has no consensus.
 * first favored asphyxiation or strangulation instead of suicide but later withdrew his concerns
 * favors asphyxia due to suicide by hanging, suggested by —who hedged, "I don't know if we need that."
 * favors depression or asphyxia instead of suicide
 * favors asphyxiation instead of suicide
 * favors suicide by hanging


 * I'm hopeful editors will in due course concur that specifying cause of death as asphyxia due to suicide by hanging is more informative than just suicide by hanging. Precision is bizarre only to those who prefer less encyclopedic knowledge, not more. NedFausa (talk) 16:27, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd opt for 'suicide by hanging'. St.nerol's argument above is persuasive, and I also think we're trying to shoehorn too much into an infobox. The purpose of an infobox is to give a snapshot - a cause of death that (for me) goes over two lines seems excessive. Let's save the meat for the article. Darren-M   talk  18:17, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Since I was pinged, I also thought the extra detail was a bit much, but felt Ned should have a chance to test the alternative, especially since our community's instructions are vague, per usual. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:35, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * For all interested, I've opened a discussion at Template talk:Infobox person, because I dislike imprecision in our guidelines, and sometimes we have to challenge the community to come up with a solution. Also, the more I thought of it, the more it seemed that the James Dean and John Lennon example articles were not saying the same thing to readers. I explained in my post there. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:53, 26 July 2020 (UTC)


 * I do find that there is a community-wide consensus or precedent as to what cause of death means in an infobox, but it is not formalized. The Template:Infobox person links to James Dean and John Lennon as examples. Their death causes are listed as car accident and gunshot wound respectively. That would be analogous to hanging, in this case. But every celebrity I can find that committed suicide has Suicide by . Are there any other variations in precedent? Otherwise, why should this article be the exception? Consider that WP:SSEFAR. Sincerely, St.nerol (talk) 18:54, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Given Cyphoidbomb's clarification and 's vote, I concede that we now have consensus for suicide by hanging. I will remove asphyxia from the infobox. Thank you all. NedFausa (talk) 19:48, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

until any conclusive outcome is reached, the cause of death should remain as the original : “asphysixia due to hanging” - as this removes the word “suicide” as this is not confirmed & also goes with chance this is possible “stages hanging”.

MAIN cause of death is physical evidence someone is no more, which in this case is lack of oxygen, asphyxia. Technically only “asphyxia” should be written, but if majority of readers want to add the “due to hanging” it is okay for now. Please all just continue to be respectful to one another & remember the heart of the person whose page this is. thank you (the case is currently under CBI investigation, if it was a “suicide”, all of this would not be happening) Justiceforssr (talk) 15:06, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * The CBI investigation seems to be looking at crimes that would make absolutely no sense if the manner of death was not suicide, as mentioned in the section above. Once again, we go by what the sources say, and not what stans wish. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh.... 19:11, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Everyone requesting edits about his death please READ THIS
His death is in the article at Sushant Singh Rajput. Please note we cannot add speculation about reasons without them being cited in reliable sources. Please stop requesting the same thing over and over and if you want something added please point to the source (ie the news site with the detail). We cannot add anything without it being cited. Thanks. Glen 09:58, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I've removed the requests about the death date now, hope thats ok. But, to be honestly, this looked epic. --TheImaCow (talk) 10:33, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , you're a star. My watchlist was blowing up! Thanks. Glen 10:35, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * - What a sight. xD
 * Sorry if your watchlist blew up again because of what I just did; I cleared away the requests and duplicates to make this more prominent... Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:14, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , haha no it was blowing up from all the requests stating the same thing. Appreciate you clearing them. Glen 15:22, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Shobhasv (talk) 17:04, 14 June 2020 (UTC)Is it necessary to mention the way he died by suicide? I am reading these guidelines: https://reportingonsuicide.org/recommendations/#dodonts And they say writing about how someone killed themselves is insensitive. I am wondering if this applies to Wikipedia as well. This is something we as a community should talk and discuss. Thanks.
 * The actual guideline is WP:NOTCENSORED, so we describe it using the language found in reliable sources even if some find it "insensitive'. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 17:59, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree with RandomCanadian. We do not censor. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:26, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

until any conclusive outcome is reached, the cause of death should remain as the original : “asphysixia due to hanging” - as this removes the word “suicide” as this is not confirmed & also goes with chance this is possible “stages hanging”.

MAIN cause of death is physical evidence someone is no more, which in this case is lack of oxygen, asphyxia. Technically only “asphyxia” should be written, but if majority of readers want to add the “due to hanging” it is okay for now. Please all just continue to be respectful to one another & remember the heart of the person whose page this is. thank you Justiceforssr (talk) 15:01, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

Since Supreme court now has advised CBI enquiry to ascertain the cause of death, the cause of death "Suicide by Hanging" should be changed to "Unnatural death under investigation". vaibhavyawalkar (talk) 17:22, 19 August 2020 (UTC)


 * False. : On 19 August 2020, India's Supreme Court allowed CBI to take over investigation of the FIR in Patna registered by Sushant Singh Rajput's father accusing the actor's girlfriend and her family of, as reported by the Press Trust of India (PTI), India's largest news agency, alleged offences under various sections of the Indian Penal Code, including 306 (abetment of suicide), 341 (punishment for wrongful restraint), 342 (punishment for wrongful confinement), 380 (theft in dwelling house), 406 (punishment for criminal breach of trust) and 420 (Cheating and dishonestly inducing delivery of property). CBI is not looking into the cause of SSR's death. NedFausa (talk) 17:56, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * And in case it somehow slips past everybody's attention, the complaint filed by the father was not "abetment of murder", it was "abetment of suicide". And it would be difficult to punish someone for abetting suicide if there was no agreement that Rajput's death was a suicide. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:58, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

I think that you choose only those reports from your "set of reliable sources" which suits and fits your point of view. Because if you haven't done it...you must have read this report by Times of India which clearly states that "CBI will begin investigation by simulation exercise to establish whether it was death by suicide or murder. Still not satisfied,...read this report by TOI. The nation's federal investigation agency is yet to ascertain firstly the cause of death. But, I know you also have to establish some facts anyhow. Jaswant Singh4 (talk) 12:40, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , please carefully read the points that people are making about how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia reports on what reliable sources say.  The vast majority of them are saying that it was a suicide, so that's what Wikipedia says.  They are also saying there is an investigation, so we also include that.  Yes, it seems contradictory and that's a flaw in Wikipedia's model (see WP:NOTNEWS), but it's one you see everywhere - when something happens, it will get reported here.  As the information presented by reliable sources changes, so will Wikipedia articles.  Ravensfire  (talk) 14:17, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Both links you provide lead to products of The Times Group, India's largest media conglomerate. The Economic Times quotes an official requesting anonymity as saying, While the complaint made by the father is that of abetment to suicide against Rajput's girlfriend Rhea Chakraborty and others, the first task of the probe team will be to ascertain if this was a case of suicide or murder. Note that SSR's father complained of abetment of suicide, not homicide. The Economic Times′ anonymous source is the only purported official using the loaded term murder, and he won't do so on the record. Your second link is equally problematic. At Wikipedia, The Times of India is considered to have a reliability between no consensus and generally unreliable. This particular story from ETimes, which bills itself as "an Entertainment, TV & Lifestyle industry's promotional website," contains no original journalism, but is based on a segment at Times Now, a 24-hour news channel also owned and operated by The Times Group. ETimes includes a tweet by Times Now in which a video is embedded wherein Bhavatosh Singh falsely reports, Statements have already been recorded of the family members and they have claimed that this is a case of homicide. Again, it all gets back to the 25 July 2020 FIR filed by SSR's father, which complained of neither homicide nor murder. As a matter of policy, Wikipedia must eschew such shoddy news coverage. NedFausa (talk) 17:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Update. Please see following new subsection. NedFausa (talk) 20:46, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

Examining the murder angle
On 21 August 2020, Dr. Sudhir Gupta, head of the Department of Forensic Medicine at All India Institute of Medical Sciences, New Delhi (AIIMS) and leader of a four-member team tasked by CBI for assistance, told NDTV: "Our priority will be to examine the case in murder angle and overall all the possible manner of death." I believe this is a significant development. For one thing, NDTV is a reliable source that we have cited six times previously in our article. Moreover, Dr. Gupta is a well-established expert who has partnered in forensic investigations with Interpol, CBI, India's counter-terrorism agency NIA, the National Human Rights Commission of India, and Delhi Police, among other such organizations. Finally, his prioritization of the "murder angle" is the first reliably reported use of the term murder by anyone officially involved in this investigation. I will leave it to consensus as to how it affects our infobox parameter Cause of death, which specifies Suicide by hanging. For our deliberations, it may be helpful to consider that same parameter in the infobox at Jeffrey Epstein, which hedges cause of death as Ruled suicide by hanging; disputed. NedFausa (talk) 20:46, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * For now I would append "disputed" to the end of it. We aren't apt to know anything more until they finish re-examining the autopsy, but that they are even doing that suggests it's in dispute. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh.... 21:05, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * For this article, I would oppose adding disputed for now. I'll circle back to why in a second. As it pertains to the Epstein case, I don't see any consensus discussion in the archives that yielded "disputed", and my feeling is that in that case it could be undue weight to suggest that it is disputed, when it appears that we're talking about Epstein's lawyers disputing the ruling. Epstein's lawyers are presumably paid to be his advocates even when it defies facts and evidence. Defense lawyers, for instance, are supposed to argue for your innocence even when you have admitted to them that you are guilty. So I don't know that lawyer opinions should be weighed as equally as independent medical examiners. So I don't think the Epstein article is a good parallel argument. As it pertains to the Rajput article(s), the "disputed" would refer to what? To what fans think? What conspiracy theorists think? If the CBI examiners determined that the cause of death was murder, or that it was inconclusive, then that would be a reason to change the status to disputed. But so far has any authority involved made any definitive determination that it wasn't a suicide? The fact that they are investigating the "murder angle" doesn't mean necessarily that there's a suspicion. They could just be starting from scratch to be thorough. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:27, 21 August 2020 (UTC)