Talk:Suspended animation

"Scientifically invalid"
The article talks about cases where people survived and recovered to near 100% the same as before the incident they endured, but refers to these cases as "scientifically invalid". Uhhh... wut? I'm pretty sure that anything that has actually happened is NOT "scientifically invalid". Cases where people survived with no heartbeat in cold water are multiple and fully confirmed.

Whoever wrote thay clause needs to elaborate on what he means and cite.

UPDATE - OK, I went ahead and changed the verbiage myself. Again, in the very same sentence it was talking about things that actually happened and then saying they weren't scientifically valid, which is a literal impossibility for the meaning of the word "science". I dunno who wrote that but it was very weird verbiage

Disambiguation
Suspended animation have been moved for clarification, adding attentively several suggested changes. I continue editing and accepting your respectful cooperation.

Thank you!

--Fergus_Manx 03:57, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Higher standard
The article does not read like an encyclopedia. Imagine Britannica talking about "cheating detath"--unthinkable. I suggest neutral objective language. State what was done and what was said with verifiable sources, but do not offer personal opinions. Filur 13:56, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I made some changes that should make it more NPOV. I deleted things like breakthrough, and amazing and cheating death. I also got rid of "in perfect condition", as the article states that some dogs had brain damage. Also, the article needs updating, It talks about trying this with humans in "6 months"... six months from when?--RLent 21:44, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

-Edit: I am another reader, and I actually opened the discussion page to make exactly this point. This page needs cleanup, and overall, a more encyclopedic tone.


 * I agree, this article reads more like discussion than a consensus.
 * Can anybody put this article together? That means all the facts. I know this is an ongoing
 * research, but this article is simply horrible.

Yoga
No mention of purported yoga practioners's ability to achieve suspended animation, stop the hear beat, be buried alive with hardly any air?--Jondel 07:11, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Got links? Is anyone doing serious research into this?108.23.147.17 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:18, 21 January 2012 (UTC).

Stasis vs. Suspended Animation
The article begins using the term "suspended animation", but when discussing the dog experiments, switches to the term "stasis" without explanation of the term. Are the two interchangeable? Jimaginator 11:57, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Added link to stasis (medicine), making it clear that it simply refers to lack of blood flow.JordanSparks (talk) 14:12, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

Sources and verification
There is a serious lack of sources in this article. There are only a few references, but there are allusions to all kinds of experiments that should have citations so the reader can check them for plausibility. Tagging article. -- cmhTC 04:16, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation Page Needed?
There is a music album called Suspended Animation. Now I've learned that there is also a company called "Suspended Animation, inc" specializing in cryopreservation. http://www.suspendedinc.com/ So maybe we need a disambiguation page. Hugo Dufort 04:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Stasis (fiction) into Suspended animation
The proposal is backwards from what should be done. The fiction section of this Suspended animation article should be merged into Stasis (fiction). Suspended animation is a serious medical topic and should be retained as a stub until someone with the time and expertise required to write a properly-referenced suspended animation article can do so. The fiction references should be deleted or moved somewhere else. Cryobiologist 19:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * My thinking exactly. The "in fiction" section here is way too big and needs to either be sharply reduced, removed entirely, or merged into the stasis article.--Witan (talk) 16:26, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

As far as the fiction section is concerned, I think it ought to remain, somewhere at least. It is a decent resource for anyone with an interest in science fiction. Also, I would like to add that if it remains the movies "Vanilla Sky" and "A.I." should be included. In both of which suspended animation is a device essential to the plot. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.139.149 (talk) 03:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

recent experiments
should we mention the recent experiments were funded by the Navy http://www.safar.pitt.edu/content/programs/safar/index_safar.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.181.11.31 (talk) 09:43, 28 January 2007 (UTC).


 * This whole article needs a rewrite. The real science part is a disorganized mishmash missing a ton of historical work.  I hope to fix it when I have time. Cryobiologist 20:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

It seems as though the article contradicts itself. When they announced the dogs had 'no brain damage' did they not discover until later that they did have neuromuscular damage? The wiki goes on to describe "... result in brain damage similar to those suffered" 20:14, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't see any contradiction as you describe. As I understand about the article, it said MOST (not all) of the dogs had 'no brain damage'.  However, if it apply to human, some people concern that the technology may result in brain damage similar to those suffered.  (Note that there are some few dogs has suffered brain damage)   Joe3600 19:44, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Being Frozen Solid
I've heard that being frozen solid is not a viable option for preserving a body for later resuscitation. That it bursts every cell in your body. If this were true then shouldn't a piece of meat, once unfrozen collapse into a liquid mess? Though, I've also heard that it may not happen if you could freeze the body fast enough. The snare (talk) 19:19, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * This question is addressed in cryonics literature, and I think wikipedia as well. See my comments below. Ice is very damaging, but not because it bursts the cells -- it basically kills by sucking the water out and crushing, not bursting. Vitrifying (which isn't freezing) by cooling really fast is possible in the laboratory only for very small samples, so for human brains the only realistic candidate is highly concentrated solutions. There's ongoing work to try and make cryoprotectants less toxic, but it works by mechanisms that haven't been researched much because cryobiology is underfunded. Two researchers named Greg Fahy and Brian Wowk have been doing what appears to be most of the legwork on this so far (motivated by the fact that they are hardcore life extensionists). They have some evidence that it is a kind of denaturation of specific proteins. Lsparrish (talk) 03:34, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Mark Roth
the mark roth link in this page leads to the page about the professional bowler.

4.235.199.174 06:54, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

"The technique has never been applied to humans for more than a few hours"
Has it ever been applied? Alphador (talk) 23:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

"In Fiction" Section
The In Fiction section is a mess. It's 1900 words long (longer than the rest of the article together!) and mentions almost 50 different stories. I've cleaned it up to reduce the list to grouped examples of its usage for different narrative purposes. I've taken out nearly all examples that use the trope only once, for a single episode or a small plot point. I hope I'm not stepping on anyone's toes here. AncientToaster (talk) 03:24, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism?
Walt Disney?

68.8.99.245 (talk) 07:20, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Urban Legend - proven false years ago.74.100.47.237 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:52, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

animals
What is a "partially pig"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.185.85.58 (talk) 05:27, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Cryogenic Suspended Animation
I added a section for cryogenic temperature induced suspended animation. It is still hypothetical for anything remotely like a human, and is commonly confused with cryonics which is directly predicated on the assumption of future technology being able to repair what's wrong with you.

This topic has a heck of a lot of terminological intricacies, and hardly anyone gets it right. Often the media calls hypothermia based SA "freezing", which is extremely misleading and worsens the conflation with cryonics (which also isn't technically freezing but for a different reason, i.e. vitrification). Lsparrish (talk) 03:25, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Hibernation of bears
Nothing about bears? Betaneptune (talk) 00:50, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Human Experiments
The information on the human experiments is from 2014, before they actually started. Is there anything more recent - results, something to say that they were cancelled, even an update to say that data was being analysed?

Suspended Animation Re-Writing
Fellow Wikipedians

Respectfully the edition and update of the article called Suspended animation is done.

"NO ANTERIOR ACCOMPLISHMENT HAS BEEN ERASED", only it has been formatted and, complemented, because they are to demerit the work of nobody, only I integrate it and improve it so that it is easy to read, including very important references, images and additional justification and support

For this reason, editing (in a standard Wikipedia format) has been done, for clarity and comprehension together with the reordering of the entire text, in addition to the improvement of any other aspects. All changes will be made based on other similar Wikipedia pages, adding the appropriate references.

This in only my contribution, it is expected the participation and collaboration to this article, along with comments respectful of other Wikipedians.

The changes made have been made with seriousness and responsibility

Sincerely,

--Fergus_Manx 06:14, 6 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpaceMAN (talk • contribs)

Unclear paragraph in introduction
This paragraph is odd:

> As a theoretical concept, it has been included in a wide range of fiction books and films, which has not been implemented as a medical procedure for short or extended time.[3]

I suggest splitting it in two sentences for a start, and add some details.

> As a theoretical concept, suspended animation features in science-fiction, most notably during space travel. It has not yet been implemented as an actual medical practice, but experiments are being conducted on animals for short time periods.

--21:31, 21 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grondilu (talk • contribs)

Another attempt at tidying
I visited this article yesterday and saw the maintenance tag identifying that the article was suffering from grammatical and punctuation errors, among others. Feeling bold I stepped straight in and worked through the article, attempting to correct some of the perceived 'errors' which, I suspect, were introduced in good-faith edits by editors whose first language is not English. While I know next to nothing about the subject, I tried to formalise the grammar, punctuation and tone in a more 'Wikipediesqe' manner. However, I did not attempt to determine the veracity of the various claims, or determine the reliability of the cited sources. So although this article may now read a bit easier, it may still contain factual inaccuracies and potential OR. I would like to invite a fellow editor to consider the edits made and, if reasonable, modify the Maintenance tag as appropriate. Careful With That Axe, Eugene Hello...  08:20, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

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Cryonics vs Suspended Animation
Becoming extremely unhappy at this distinction being made between cryonics and suspended animation. I propose removing it from this page. It simply confuses people for no good reason. Yes, the notion of cryonics being done *speculatively* and 'in hope' is understood. But the parallels in meaning between suspended animation and cryonics are so striking that attempting to separate them does not seem right and feels counterproductive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theodorus75 (talk • contribs) 20:54, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I am in agreement that cryonics should be removed from the article or at least made clear that they are not the same thing. It is really a separate topic; often people confuse the two but cryonics is not suspended animation and is currently bordering on fringe science. Ifnord (talk) 14:09, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

I would like to add a section on EPR to this article as part of my Society, Ethics and Technology course at Rowan College at Burlington County - Christina Albanesius — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christina Albanesius (talk • contribs) 02:33, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

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Better Sources for Cases of People Surviving Hypothermia?
Five cases of humans surviving hypothermia are listed in the article. However, the sources for these cases leave a lot to be desired. Only Anna Bågenholm and Erika Nordby have their own Wikipedia articles, where case reports from the scientific literature are cited (I will add the corresponding citations).

For the other three cases (John Smith, Paulie Hynek, Mitsutaka Uchikoshi), I was unable to find any case reports in the medical scientific literature. Maybe the cases of John Smith and Paulie Hynek were not remarkable enough to generate such reports.

However, the case of Mitsutaka Uchikoshi, if verified, appears to be extremely extraordinary. He purportedly survived 24 days in "hibernation". Surely such a remarkable case would be discussed in the scientific literature. Yet I have not been able to find any source that describes this case.

Given this lack of a discussion in the scientific literature I very much doubt that the information regarding his case is trustworthy. If nobody can find a scientific source for these claims, his case should be deleted from the article or at the very least the wording should be changed to indicate the lack of sources.

Best Rappatoni (talk) 22:10, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
 * In fact, there seems to be no case report for Erika Nordby either. Rappatoni (talk) 22:16, 14 November 2021 (UTC)


 * AS nobody has provided a better source, I have qualified the language regarding the Uchikoshi case. Rappatoni (talk) 10:58, 22 November 2021 (UTC)