Talk:Sustainable forest management

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alright, this is a good page, not to US specific either. Would anyone mind if I put the good stuff from Sustainable forestry and put it here. I will put my harvest method stuff under silviculture. The sustainable forestry page is just a huge job. Then we could have searches for sustainable forestry point to here. There is a wiki way to do that I understand. SierraSkier 02:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree with having a redirect page from Sustainable forestry to point to here (which I assume means getting rid of the sustainable forestry page altogether). I think this makes sense for a couple of reasons. First, I think that the term "sustainable forestry" is poorly defined, or at least inconsistently defined, so it is hard to know what the term really means. SFM, on the other hand, does have definitions that are widely accepted by governments and others in the international forest community, including agencies of the UN like the FAO. The the term is widely used and many countries now produce reports on progress in which the term "sustainable forest management" is incorporated into the title. Second, as currently written, the article on Sustainable forestry focuses almost exclusively on the environmental aspects of forest management with very little attention paid to important social and economic aspects. The type of forest management described in Sustainable forestry has seen some practice through which biologists and ecologists tried to guide forest managers in developing ecologically sustainable forest management plans, however, much forest management around the world today is much more sophisticated, whereby managers consult with local stakeholders and try to balance a wide range of social, economic and environmental values. I think one would be hard pressed to find examples today of forest management that focuses solely on the environmental values. (Note: I don't think the same could be said about Sustained Yield forest management, where the objective is primarily to maintain a constant flow of fiber from the landbase irrespective of other values. This type of forest management is likely still used on many privately owned forests.)

I think that much of the content on Sustainable forestry is either covered already or could be added to existing articles. I agree with SierraSkier's suggestion to move the text on harvest methods to silviculture. In addition to this, I think that the text on fire suppression is already captured under Success of fire suppression in northern forests; the text under "highgrading" could also be added to silviculture, since it is essentially a silvicultural technique; the text on fragmentation is already captured under Habitat fragmentation; Under "Specific Cases", the text on "Old Growth Forests" is already captured under Old growth forest, and the text under "boreal forest" is probably better situated in the article on Taiga, which currently has scant discussion about resource extraction. Sbridge 19:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the decision of redirecting Sustainable forestry to point here, yet I feel that an addition of some updated information on sustainable forest management would be beneficial. Am3ndoza (talk) 22:29, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Proposed move
I propose that the text at forest management, which is a short article with little history be cut and pasted to Sustainable forestry and Sustainable forestry be moved or renamed Forest Management. That way the history of sustainable forestry can be maintained. Then the forest management article (formerly sustainable forestry) can be thinned as per Sbridge above. Any objections? KAM 14:18, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * After several months without any support for the move, it might be best to set this move aside for a while until the two pages evolve one way or the other. -Gomm 17:08, 28 August 2007 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gomm (talk • contribs)

merging American Tree Farm System
If American Tree Farm System is a currently active system, then it warrants a page of its own, since there might be other sustainable methods which differ substantively. I would oppose merging specific well developed systems into a page about a conceptual approach. If on the other hand, the system was only conceptual and was never adopted, then as an unsuccessful concept, it would perhaps help in explaining concepts of sustainability. -Gomm 19:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

As I understand it, the American Tree Farm System is a forest certification system geared towards tree farms on private property. According to their website, the "ATFS has established standards and guidelines for property owners to meet to become a certified Tree Farm." As such, I think it would be best just to list ATFS within the SFM article as one of many certification schemes, but for wikipedia to retain a separate article on ATFS. This is the approach that has been taken for other certification processes such as FSC, PEFC and SFI. The individual certification schemes are usually fairly complex and warrant their own articles. That said, the article on ATFS is not very clear and does not easily lead the reader to understand that it is essentially a forest certification scheme.Sbridge 18:24, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with sbridge on this. The ATFS is a certification scheme (actually, the oldest one in existence) that is currently seeking endorsement by the PEFC. It is best left described as such. Frbc.

Retain the Sustainable Forest Management article / Top Tier
One of the main reasons for needing an article for sustainable forest management, involves part of what one definition in the article reveals "social function".

Forests are not managed sustainably for Silviculture (separate niche) alone, etc.. Many forests are managed for hiking, camping, preservation of animal species (birds, fish, whatever), etc. That also is a niche.

"Sustainable Forest Management" would be a top tier article, if not the top tier itself. Many other niches would best be merged under it's specific title, rather than the other way around. M. D. Vaden of Oregon. Mdvaden 15:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It seems fine to duplicate this content elsewhere, or redirect here, as long as this article's content does not suffer loss of material.Mdvaden 15:43, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

It has been several years since this pages has been updated, and I was wondering whether this page should be consolidated into Silviculture or some other page? Am3ndoza (talk) 22:23, 17 October 2017 (UTC)Am3ndoza

Proposed addition of section: Timber supply chain management
I would like to propose adding something in this section about the timber supply chain. The certification systems are great and definitely an important step in the right direction. They are also being supported by various Govt. legislation such as the new amendment to the US Lacy Act (see http://www.aphis.usda.gov/newsroom/hot_issues/lacey_act/index.shtml).

However they all rely on Chain of Custody paper trails which are subject to fraud as there is a massive incentive to do so. A number of new technologies such as computer chips and DNA are being developed and used in Africa and South East Asia.

This area of the timber industry and its impact on deforestation and ethical business practices could warrant inclusion. I'm just not sure where - I've had a look at a few topics and found this area to be fairly broad and would welcome suggestions as to where it could go. I dont think it would work in supply chain management sections or in illegal logging or deforestation.

My suggested outline could be something like this:

- evidence from EIA on fraud in the supply chain (citation available)

- problems with tracing the origin of timber that exist today (citations available - I think)

- examples from various technologies and Govt. funded approaches from different parts of the world

Any ideas or interest on this welcomed.

--Jgeach (talk) 13:04, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Forest Governance
I would suggest to have one article called "Forest Governance" which includes 'Forest Management' (and its even more specific 'Sustainable Forest Management' topic). Governance would be the umbrella article including its different aspects as e.g. the more specific topic on (sustainable) management. D. Cordoba 14:43, 29 November 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniel Cordoba-Bahle (talk • contribs)

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Free book with mandatory reference to WWF in citation

 * Not in English yet: https://www.wwf.ru/data/forests/uulfinal.pdf Основы устойчивого лесоуправления : учеб. пособие для вузов. — 2е изд., перераб. и доп. М. Л. Карпачевский, В. К. Тепляков, Т. О. Яницкая, А. Ю. Ярошенко и др.; под общ. ред. А. В. Беляковой, Н. М. Шматкова; Всемирный фонд дикой природы (WWF). — М : WWF России, 2014. — 266, (2) c.
 * This book is based on many academic works, but they are not referenced correctly. D1gggg (talk) 12:14, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Ontario section
This section needs more references and supporting evidence. A lot of information is presented as fact when it could just be editorialising. It could also do with revision of the wording; I've cleaned it up a bit but it's still a slightly confusing and repetitive read. I also wonder what is special about Ontario that it needs its own section when other places don't? Especially places with larger forested areas? Are Ontario's measures unique or do they not participate in other programmes? This section doesn't really add to the general topic and seems to just talk about Ontario for its own sake? 4jbptero (talk) 21:37, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

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Sustainable forestry and climate change debate
Hi, are any of the page watchers interested in the link of sustainable forestry to biomass energy and climate change mitigation? If so, perhaps you can help streamline the article on biomass. It has this section on the forest biomass debate: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomass#The_forest_biomass_debate. Wondering if some of that content ought to be moved here. I might put the same note on the talk page of forestry. Looking for interested people who could help with this editing work. EMsmile (talk) 10:41, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Removed section on ethics
I've removed the following section on ethics because it's written like an essay, not an encyclopedic text:

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Ethics behind the forestry industry
We currently have a lot of threats facing the goal of achieving sustainable forestry including the poor use of resources, lack of understanding of different properties, regions and rights, weak regulations and policies and a lack of forestry law enforcement. A major contributor to all of these threats, is the ethics behind the industry. This is not limited to applying ethics to those who work in the industry but also to the companies and government who regulate it. It is important for those training to be an art of this field, learn the ethics behind the practice, ranging from professional ethics, environmental ethics and philosophical ethics. Having a solid understanding of ethics will allow workers to implement proper practices in their own work and will also provide them with the knowledge to take a stand against employers who do not work ethically and will then be forced to do so. A survey published in 2007 indicated that only 74% of forestry programs include ethics in their curriculum. Of this 74%, 32% is professional ethics, 13% is environmental ethics and 56% is other ethics such as philosophical. A part of ethics involves providing workers with proper training to ensure their own safety and to ensure forestry is conducted in the most environmentally and economically efficient manner. However, many companies disregard proper training resulting employees being in extremely dangerous situations, employees being harmed, fatalities occurring and resources being wasted. Not only is there a lack of training but many forestry workers are not provided with appropriate gear and tools as well as are extremely underpaid especially considering the risks they are being put at. It is crucial for workers to be trained properly, have appropriate resources to do the job and have a pay the reflects their duties and high level of responsibility. This will prevent poor working conditions, loss of resources and will allow workers to be more motivated to do the job properly while applying the ethical practices they were taught. With that being said, in order for this to occur it is important that certain policies and laws are implemented to ensure sustainable forestry. Harvesting plans are an excellent example of what form of policies should be implemented globally as they have proven to allow for sustainable forestry. Harvesting plans require forestry companies to disclose their entire plan in regards to what they intend on logging, where they intend on logging and how. Once they provide a complete harvest plan it is evaluated and if approved these companies are permitted to continue with logging activities. When reviewing these plans, factors such as how forest values are protected, the condition of the forest before harvesting, regeneration strategies and patterns of natural disturbance are all considered before approving or denying the plan. With that being said, the regulations do not stop once the plan is approved. As the harvesting process occurs, regulators monitor the companies' compliance with the plan, the amount of timber harvested, the progress of the regeneration plan as well as surrounding ecological factors and how they are impacted such as soil health, water and habitats. EMsmile (talk) 07:23, 29 September 2023 (UTC) EMsmile (talk) 07:23, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

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