Talk:Sustainable seafood

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I also think this article has a great start. I was wondering if adding some ways in which sustainable seafood is accomplished worldwide would be a good addition here. I saw that the NOAA was listed, but that covers the US. I think it would be interesting to list some other organizations that are ensuring quality seafood worldwide.?. ESmith3 (talk) 16:46, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

I think what you have here is great, I know there are some fisheries operations that are certified to be sustainable, but they fish in waters that aren't, which makes it hard to controll the labeling to ensure these areas aren't overfished. I think this might be the Chilean Sea Bass. Maybe talk about what efforts are being done currently to ensure that the fisheries are keeping their products from certified areas, and not from the waters that are not. What companies are certified, and what stores sell these items? Nimbus1ZZ-FE (talk) 14:39, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

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You have done a great job so far! I would just like to add a few suggestions. Maybe you should add a graph that depicts over fishing, usually they are line graphs. Plus it's also a good way to see if overfishing methods are helpful. I would also add a section on King crab maybe, I know that has been big in terms of over fishing. Lastly, I'd maybe expand the restaurant and chef section to maybe include examples of which restaurants are participating,etc.

Good luck you're almost done!

Expanding the Page
I plan to add more about the organizations that promote sustainable seafood, expand on the definition, threats of overfishing, and where you can find sustainable seafood. Tilghman45 (talk) 20:21, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

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This was not an encyclopedia article; it was a brochure
I made some substantial edits to this article, largely because it was not being used as an encyclopedia article but a way to promote various groups and organizations in an advertising/political advocacy way. We are here to explain sustainable seafood as a topic, not to encourage people to go read brochures (provided lots of links to other sites in the body of the article) or to let representatives of an organization make claims about themselves, their goals, and so forth.

Most importantly, nothing had any reliable sources - not on the topic itself, or attesting to any of the organizations mentioned, etc. This article has a long way to g before it meets Wikipedia guidelines. The most messed up, unsourced, obvious advocacy paragraphs and links were removed. Before things like that can be added, they must demonstrate notability through solid independent sources and be written objectively instead of like an ad. DreamGuy (talk) 21:27, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Some recent additions
I want to thank the editors who are currently adding material here, particularly the table on fishing methods. However, there is a danger the article is moving back to the earlier This was not an encyclopedia article it was a brochure status it had above. Please read Reliable sources carefully, and make sure that additions to the article are properly sourced. For example, the sources provided for the sections on the Marine Stewardship Council and Friends of Sea are sourced to their own websites only. It is particularly important in an area like this, where a number of commercial interests are involved, that assertions are properly sourced.

Also, the article is in danger of losing balance. For example, the general statement: "It is expected that in 2048, the oceans will be depleted of edible fish", is not balanced. Although it can be reliably sourced, there has been significant subsequent debate, and many scientists don't expect this at all. This is a "point of view" problem, of a type which is discussed in the guideline Neutral point of view. Thanks. --Epipelagic (talk) 21:17, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Proposed Edits for the Introduction
Sustainable seafood is seafood that is either caught or farmed in ways that consider the long-term vitality of harvested species and the well-being of the oceans. It was first promoted through the sustainable seafood movement which began in the 1990s. This operation highlights overfishing and environmentally destructive fishing methods. Through a number of initiatives, the movement has increased awareness and raised concerns over the way our fish are obtained. (Kinloch21 (talk) 21:26, 1 November 2012 (UTC))

Proposed Edits for Importance
Marine environments are currently under immense pressure. Their problems primarily arise through anthropogenic causes, such as overfishing and environmental destruction. However, research suggests that fisheries are able to recover or stabilize their populations when responsible management and regulations are in place . Unfortunately, most seafood that is obtained is done so through “irresponsible fishing practices that continue to modify some marine ecosystem” This has resulted in record depleted stocks For example, “85 percent of the world’s fisheries are fished at or beyond their maximum sustainable limit” And according to to the FAO, by 2021, "fisheries production (capture and aquaculture) will exceed that of beef, pork or poultry." Should these practices be unsustainable, the state of the oceans will continue to decline. Considering the rising global population and the pressure that it has, and will continue to exert on the Earth's resources, a more sustainable method of fishing is necessary if humans wish to utilize its natural abundance. Kinloch21 (talk) 18:47, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

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Proposed Section: Sustainable Seafood Movement
The Sustainable Seafood Movement is an initiative born through the realization that the marine ecosystems of the world were being overexploited and destroyed. It began in the 1990s and was driven by social marketing and awareness campaigns that utilized ecolabeling, boycotts, and seafood guides. Through social marketing, the collaboration between NGOs and industry allowed for the consumer to make informed choices, potentially contributing to the conservation of marine biodiversity. This system not only had the possibility to become an economic benefit for the seafood industry, but it could also result in positive outcomes for marine conservation. The Marine Stewardship Council (MSC) was one of the first organizations to launch a certification program, and it continues with these practices today. Awareness campaigns, however, may deviate from ecolabeling processes. Instead, they focus on educating the public and encouraging them to purchase products that are not harmful to marine ecosystems. Seafood guides, for example, highlight which species are acceptable to consume and which are not based on their environmental impact. The guide is constructed into three traffic light categories: red, yellow, and green. These rankings are based on how the fish responds to fishing pressure, abundance, gear impact, bycatch, and management. Red represents items to avoid, yellow is a good alternative, and green is the best choice. Seafood guides are constructed by environmental NGOs and the information listed by them is typically in unison. Kinloch21 (talk) 17:28, 4 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Looking good :) Have you a source for the last sentence? Can you find statistics to chart the growth in certification? Is there evidence of changes towards more responsible buying patterns due to increases in public awareness from advisory practices? You say this system "had the possibility to become an economic benefit for the seafood industry". That's worth a section on its own if you can find enough material, such as evidence that some fisheries have become more robust and profitable as a result of certification and/or advisory practices. Is there documented evidence of bias, incompetence or corruption in certification or advisory practices? Can you find one or two evocative images to give the article a visual lift? --Epipelagic (talk) 18:49, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Peer Review 2
This is a very well-written and informative article. Perhaps a picture from wikimedia commons could be added to the top of the page to present a more visually pleasing article. I have made a few minor edits to grammar, but other then that this article is great!

Anthro100 (talk) 16:03, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Well done!But it may be more clear and persuaded to add some texts about overfishing which leads to many marine problems.By doing this,the importance of sustainable seafood can be addressed.--InJuillet (talk) 14:42, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Per Review
This is an informative article, but it is much more oriented towards non-profit and fishing reduciton tactics. Is there any way to mention the other side of the coin, the fisheries efforts on working towards sustainable seafood, while still conducting themselves in a way that allows them to live? Well done on the amount of text, but trying for a more easy flow of information and words would be nice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OlenkaFawkes (talk • contribs) 16:40, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

There is a fair amount of information in this article. That being said, I think adding some specific statistical information, such as the rate of over fishing, decreases or increases, ect. would provide a clearer picture as to the nature and importance of sustainable fishing. As well, adding some more info to the chefs and restaurants section could add a lot to the article, as there is a lot of information out there about that topic and it is very retentive to sustainable consumption and simliar topics which are currently vary prevalent and the global consciousness. Cheers. Thecfed (talk) 01:47, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Seafood Guide
This section could do with some reorganizing. SeaChoice is only one of multiple seafood guides used to inform consumers about sustainable seafood. It is also not the most recognized guide at the moment. I think this section would be better served in listing all the relevant sustainable seafood guides in the market. This food include SeaChoice, MBA Seafood Watch, OceanWise, EDF Seafood Selector, and the Safina Center Guide to Ocean Friendly Seafood. Because ratings change frequently, due to a change in management practices, and steep population recline, or population recovery, having an out-of-date, incomplete list of species ratings can be misleading to readers. This list also goes into far less detail than the actual guides, so this section should point to guides rather than include specific ratings of seafood. Tmwitkin (talk) 13:35, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

I agree. The list seems to me aimed at North American consumers and it would be great to see more independent sources. 158.129.140.71 (talk)

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