Talk:Sven Co-op

Deletion
Seen the deletion notice, and while I understand there may be some reasoning, I would please ask you to reconsider.

While this page is currently underdeveloped, Sven Co-op is a significant Half-Life mod that has warranted multiple awards over its history and is the sixth most played Half-Life 1 mod on Steam.

While it is the case that this page was deleted previously, this was due to the content that was posted not being up to scratch. More information will be posted in this article over the next few days.

Notability not information
The article needs verfiable third-party sources that show how this piece of software demonstrates notability.

Very basically ''A topic is notable if it has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works whose sources are independent of the subject itself. Many topics must meet a minimum threshold of notability in order for an article on that topic to appear in Wikipedia. This requirement ensures that there exists enough source material to write a verifiable encyclopedia article about the topic.''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability

If you have access to multiple non-trivial published works, you need to get them up quick or this article will be deleted again. --Charlesknight 01:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Wouldnt the #4th played Game on STEAM be a pretty good reason to keep it? 24.26.143.219 09:48, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

it was bundled with some gamer magazine in an issue, I don't remember which. T-1 18:26, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Remove game stats information
I believe that the game stats rank in It has since grown to become a full blown mod, with a full team, ranked as the 4th most played game on Steam, excluding the official games by Valve. should be removed as the rank (4) is always changing, for example Sven Co-op is currently the fifth most played game, excluding games by Valve. I would recommend changing the sentence to say that it is one of the most popular Half-Life mods. --Credema 02:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I have now updated it because there was no opposition to the change. --Credema 05:22, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Changes
I changed the mentions of 3.5 to 4.0, as that is the new name for the upcoming version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.137.140.186 (talk) 23:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I've updated the article to reflect the new version, but more information has to be added. Solokiller (talk) 21:03, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Controversy
Why the hell was this deleted?

(Reverted good faith edits by 92.249.199.119 (talk): Cannot use forum posts and reddit posts for factual information. (TW)) (undo)

The whole part was ABOUT the COMMUNITY, how the hell are forum posts and reddit not FACTUAL in a case where the community is outraged? Not to mention there were ARTICLES on NEWS SITES linked about it. Wtf is wrong with people? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.249.199.119 (talk) 06:16, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Read WP:RS. --The1337gamer (talk) 08:20, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Opposing Force and Blue Shift - wrong explanaition of required purchase to play
The the current fourth sub-section of section "Developement" it's noted: "players are still required to have purchased and installed Opposing Force and Blue Shift to play those in the standalone release of Sven Co-op." This is technical incorrect. Opposing Force or Blue Shift neither needs to be purchased nor installed to "play" them on servers wich have them installed, but rather you are required to have a copy of these to set up a dedicated server yourself. This is due to how Half-Life engine works with missing files on the client: The client downloads missing files from server at time when it connects to the game server. This happens either directly through the game channel, wich is pretty slow with only a few kb/s or by using external HTTP download source (known as "fast download"). If you join a server wich hosts Opposing Force or Blue Shift the client simply downloads the map files (.bsp) from the server so even someone without having a license for Opposing Force or Blue Shift can play them. In addition to the base map files additional data required to modify them to make them work with the engine are included in the download of Sven Co-op (namely two ZIP files containing additional data and a utility to modify the map files). A change of this sentence should be considered. To not distort the already not-so-good read flow any further, it might be a good idea to split this part of (end the line at the ";") and start over with a new sentence explain, that Opposing Force and Blue Shift can be played on a server running them, but in order to setup a server yourself you need to get the map files first. Legal this would mean to purchase the add-ons for your own account, but technical it's sufficient to just download them from one of the servers running them or directly from one of the many available fast download HTTP servers and repositories providing them (although legal status of that has to be argued about). Maybe it might make sense to do this in it's own sub-section instead of just another hard to read sentence. 2A0C:D242:4434:200:F835:B649:8C54:A3C2 (talk) 08:03, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Linux support
I edited this article to point out that Sven supports Linux, the kind of trivial-to-verify fact (it's right there on its Steam store page) that I didn't know required citations. It was reverted with the message "Natively? Photon and emulation doesn't count." - yes, natively. If someone else wants to fix this please do; I'd rather avoid the perception of edit wars. Thanks! 87.115.183.204 (talk) 02:13, 5 March 2022 (UTC)