Talk:Swan 44 Frers

Number Built
I am reasonably sure the number of these produced by Nautor is factually incorrect in a number of sources including "The Spirit of Swan" book, and other sources Nautor stating that 88 hulls had been built. By implying that between 1989 and 1994 19 Mk I were built and from 1996 to 2002 69 Mk IIs.

We know that hull number S&S design is using the "000" series numbers used for the Frers design is the "100" series

Some of the later built boats have documented hull number is 160s but for the numbers stated to be correct these would have to be in the 180s

Therefore it is thought that number 101-119 are mk1 and number 120-169 are MkII hence 69 not 88 boats as indicated.

The later published Nautor 50th Anniversary publication is also backing this up. I welcome other contribution to this as it does mean we are ignoring some reliable sources. Yachty4000 (talk) 01:44, 15 Jun 2016 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I didn't see your post here a few days ago. The cited refs are extremely clear about this, for instance https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/swan-44-frers/ says 19 Mk Is were built and https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/swan-44-mk-ii-frers/ says 68 Mk IIs were built. The other cited refs agree. We can't make guesses, we are required to go with the sources cited and what they say. As I have mentioned before, toting up serial numbers to get production numbers is WP:OR and cannot be used as a reliable source of numbers built, as there is no guarantee that serial numbers were not skipped. Also the specs in the infobox are for the Mk I and cannot be made "generic" as the specs for the two boats differ as the variants section describes, see the refs again above. - Ahunt (talk) 11:17, 23 June 2023 (UTC)