Talk:Sweat (Ciara song)

Single infobox?
This needs to be address before the review continues, I think, to avoid further edit warring. Is the song a song or a single? The text of the article calls this a "promotional single". Taking Hair (Lady Gaga song) as an example of another good article with the same dilemma, it seems that the blue coloration is appropriate for promotional singles. I suppose the distinction between a promo single and a regular single is necessary. Thoughts? --Thevampireashlee (talk) 18:14, 30 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Looking into the article thoroughly, I see Billboard is sourced as saying "Sweat" is a promotional single. My verdict is: blue infobox. --Thevampireashlee (talk) 18:19, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I explained to the user who changed it to song. Its a tetchy one as a previous Ciara release "Like a Surgeon" was deemed a single and that was only sent to radio. However Billboard ran an article about that song calling it a single. In the chart listings "Sweat" is clearly a promotional single. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  18:23, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That's good enough for me. I didn't notice Billboard listing it as a promo single. Blue infobox it is. Cheers,  Statυs ( talk ) 18:29, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Excellent. I posted the final changes for the review. After they have been resolved, I'll promote this to good. Nice work. :) --Thevampireashlee (talk) 19:20, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Gerrick Kennedy
Gerrick Kennedy's opinion on why Basic Instinct failed commercially is not needed. Ciara, herself, said that there was one pushback so "multiple pushbacks" is not true. Also, while there were leaks during this time, there were very few, all of which which didn't get very much attention. The way it is written in the article doesn't make sense. The sentence before it says Ciara wasn't interested in first week sales or performance [before the album came out] & the next sentence gives someone's opinion on why it failed. They don't go together.

One more thing. Years are not needed after album titles. There are multiple good articles [Love Sex Magic for example] that doesn't include the years. If someone wants to know the year an album was released, they could just click on the article. Also, just because it's like that on good articles you see, doesn't mean it has to be on all of them. &mdash;MPQzy (talk) 22:08, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The inclusion of Gerrick Kennedy is not for his opinion but because its a reliable source to acknowledge that leaks and pushbacks took place. There were obviously enough high profile leaks for one of America's biggest music critics (the LA Times is renouned for its reviews) to comment on and for Ciara to give an interview with. The sentence prior reads that Ciara wasn't interested in her first week sales, while the Kennedy sentence explains why Basic Instinct underperformed. Not only does it make sense but its completely justified in the context its written. I.e. talking about expectations (Ciara before the album was released) and then talking about reality after the album's release (Kennedy anaylsing the performance of the album). Also the claim "Ciara said there was one pushback herself" is sourced/credited where?


 * As for the use of dates, these provide a lot of context when the albums were released several years apart it provides useful information. other stuff isnt always the best argument for the removal of such thing. When the article was written effort was put in and resulted in dates being included after the first occurance of the album title. It physically doesn't make logical sense to spend the time and effort removing them when they do no harm and actually provide useful information. They're not there because someone might want to know the date of an album release, they were put in place because they help understand the context when your talking about artist works spanning someone's career. If you can provide an actual reason beyond "they don't exist at 'Love Sex Magic' article" for their removal I'll actually go and remove them myself. Same for the Ciara multiple vs single pushbacks thing. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  22:18, 6 September 2012 (UTC)