Talk:Swedish cuisine/Archive 1

Tradition
The word "tradition" or "traditional" appears in this article 40 times. I think when discussion a nation's cuisine, it's a given that it stems from national tradition and, therefore, all 40 incidences of this word should probably be removed.

130.235.100.9 (talk) 12:55, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

List
moving lists here


 * Smörgåsbord -- Smorgasbord
 * Köttbullar -- Swedish meatballs
 * Julskinka -- Christmas ham
 * Inlagd sill -- Pickled herring
 * Surströmming -- Fermented Baltic herring
 * Gravad lax -- Salmon, salted, and cured.
 * Kåldolmar -- Cabbage rolls
 * Pannkakor -- Pancakes (thin, like crepes)
 * Ärtsoppa -- Pea soup
 * Kroppkakor -- Cooked potato-dumplings, filled with pork
 * Fläsk och bruna bönor -- Pork rinds and brown beans
 * Kräftor -- Crayfish
 * Julbord -- Christmas smorgasbord
 * Blodpudding -- Black pudding
 * Pölsa -- Hash
 * Palt -- Blood bread
 * Pyttipanna -- Hacked and fried meat, onions, and pre-boiled potatoes.
 * Falukorv -- Sausage originating from Falun. The lifts and pumps at the Kopparberg copper mine in Falun were, before the introduction of steam engines, powered by oxen. When these oxen died from strain or old age, the skin was turned into leather ropes used in the mine, and the meat was turned into sausage - Falukorv.
 * Smörgåstårta -- Sandwich cake
 * Janssons frestelse -- Grated potatoes, onion, anchovy and cream
 * Lutfisk -- stockfish


 * Sorry, why moving all this list from the article to the discussion? I was looking for pyttipanna, and could not find it in the article!!!
 * IMHO the list above should stay IN the article... --Adriano 17:13, 5 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The point of moving the list was to restructure it and integrate it into the article. The dishes would need some structure and explantory text, for instance Lutfisk is only eaten at christmas, while other dishes mentioned are only eated in certain regions: Surströmming (northern Sweden), Pölsa ( I think this is northern Sweden too) , Palt (northern Sweden), etc. So the list should really be transformed into text, but I wasn't able to find any good references at the time. / Fred-Chess 23:20, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Mistake

 * The author of this section is spot on. The incompetent/illiterate 'defenders' need to get a life.

The text reads: "The importance of fish has governed population and trade patterns far back in history: due to the vast supply of fish, in particular herring, people settled on the east coast around present-day Stockholm, and on the west coast around present-day Gothenburg. These remain Sweden's most populated areas to this day."

This is not true, as Gothenburg is one of the youngest major cities in sweden.

Another one - at least misleading: this notion there are four meals per day. I strongly disagree. Moreover the term 'fika' is a part of the 'fikon' language - it is merely slang. It's the result of applying 'fikon' to 'kaffe', the word for coffee. 'Kaffe' in the fikon language becomes 'fikastukon' or 'fika' for short. It is incorrect to regard this - or the fourth meal - as an official integral part of Swedish life. And for that matter, Swedes 'fika' both in the mornings and the afternoons. (They're the largest per capita consumers of coffee in the world.)

And this: 'a hot meal is served at lunch as part of Sweden's welfare state'. Who wrote this nonsense?

And hjortronsylt is served at the Nobel Prize dinner? Since when? Seriously: this author is weaving a fairy tale and I would be very surprised to find said individual had even visited the country.

Kantareller are friend with onions and put on a sandwich? Where??!??

I take offence at the allusion meatballs are the most famous export. Famous to who?

'the anchovy here is not the genuine anchovy'? Who is this jerk?

- I'd like to see stats on Finns drinking more coffee. Having lived in both countries extensively (years and years and years) I know this too to be incorrect.

- Tetra Pak is not a manufacturer of only milk cartons. PUH-leeze!

- I believe Champis has been discontinued. (It is/was a commercial beverage.)

- Swedes don't drink Absolut - I know now this person is an idiot. Swedes drink EXPLORER as it is known locally, much the way Koskenkorva becomes Finlandia in the international marketplace.

- The timing for semlor is all off.

In conclusion, it is obvious the author of this piece is either senile, psychotic, or both.

PS. Digging deeper, I see you actually employed (allowed) an EAST GERMAN and an ITALIAN to write this piece? Are you out of your minds too?

This piece should be removed and another by a qualified author (as in someone born and bred in Sweden and with family of at least several generations in Sweden) put in its place.

This is totally revolting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.92.230.245 (talk • contribs)
 * Please remain civil, this article (as well as most of Wikipedia) is maintained by vollenters, none of over 30 contributers of the article are employed by Wikipedia. Everyone is allowed to edit this article, unless they have been blocked for vandalization or uncivil behavor. If you can back up the statements above with refernences, please do so. And please try to do so without insulting the other editors and leaving racist remarks. -- E ivindt@c 01:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


 * To the unsigned commentator
 * Please do not use nationality to judge someone's knowledge of a certain subject. I know many Swedes who can cook Italian dishes better than myself... Do not underestimate my (and anybody else's) culture...
 * I confirm that my income from contributing to wikipedia is equal to NIL, zero, nothing. Wikipedia is compiled on a volunteer basis. So, if you want to, you too can contribute in a civil manner.
 * Regards --Adriano 20:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


 * After laughing a little at the insipid remarks of 193.92.230.245, I looked up some of his complaints with a quick check on the internet and the articles seemes accurate enough, e.g. hjortron was a part of the dessert at the 2004 Nobel Prize Dinner; Finns drink most coffee in the world; and some of his other comments make little sense -- you can buy Absolut Vodka at the Systembolaget, etc. / Fred-Chess 23:08, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I did however remove fika (coffee break) as a meal. This must have been someone's joke. / Fred-Chess 23:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, there is nothing "revolting" about this article. I am going to work on it and make some minor edits as I'm Swedish and love food. I'm also going to add an article for Toast Skagen, as it is a notable Swedish dish. Bufflo 17:39, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Fika can also include some kind of pastry like a cinnamon bun, the "fikabröd". Also the meaning of fika has changed since it's origin and may now also refer to tea. If it's a meal or not is more difficult to say. That depends on how you define "meal". An nobody in their right mind drinks Explorer vodka. // Liftarn


 * Actually the swedish "Anchovy" isn't the real deal(as was stated in the article), it is made from the wrong species of fish. Pretty few of the above mentioned "Mistakes" seem to be real mistakes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djingis Khan (talk • contribs) 12:17, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * BTW. Has any swede here ever been served crayfish with potatoes? At every Crayfish Feast I've visited the crayfish have been served cold(previously boiled and then put in to a liquid consisting of salt, water, beer, sugar and dill), basically on their own. At the side I judge bread(often toast) with Västerbotten-ost(Strong cheese from the northern parts of Sweden) to be the most common addition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djingis Khan (talk • contribs) 12:24, 18 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Certainly! Having crayfish without "dillkokt potatis" would be unthinkable. We would also never serve crayfish cold. Skrofler (talk) 22:01, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Question
I was told by my family that kringle (spelling may be wrong...pronounced kring-luh i believe) is a Swedish dessert. Can anyone confirm this? It's a dough-like pastry, shaped like a figure 8 that you can spread butter on. Eaten around Christmas.


 * Yes it is, or Nordic. The word kringla also refers to the pretzel shape in general. Bufflo 05:08, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Though probably Nordic in reality, it is most commonly associated with Denmark, especially in the United States. Note that Racine, Wisconsin, per Wikipedia article on Racine, "is particularly known for its Danish pastries, especially kringle".  See also Kringle article for more.  And "kringle" is the Danish spelling for the pretzel-shaped cake.  --SFDan 05:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Altough we swedes sometimes eat "kringla/kringlor" I would not call it part of the typical swedish cousine. e2npau E2npau 12:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Indeed, it is one of the varieties of kaffebröd you can eat when having "Fika". But as dessert?, probably not in Sweden in any case. (meaning I have never heard of that, and I live here!:))--Wikinegern (talk) 14:31, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Kringla is not a Swedish desert, I am born and bread there and we dont eat krinla, more then a few times a life time maybe......It might be Danish though they serve it at tivolis and events

http://swedish-recipes.net==Strange sentence in lead==

Could someone explain what this sentence means? I'd be glad to rewrite it once I understand the intended meaning. Thanks, Jakew 16:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * "In Sweden many local, traditional meals are also eaten, in the north some with their roots in the Sami people,some not, including reindeer, and other game."

Holy crow. - Which countries? It is about Sweden, isn't it? Counties, maybe? - Locally produced wines? Where do they produce wine in Sweden? - lokal = local? - the whole phrase: what is the information contained herein? Can someone change or erase this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.184.36.11 (talk) 00:14, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Another one: "In many countries locally produced wines are combined with lokal husmanskost."
 * Wine production exists in Sweden, but it is very limited, so for the most part, there are no local wines to speak of. I think it's safe to discard the entire sentence as a nonsensical sequence of words. Eudoxie (talk) 03:22, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Foregin foothold of swedish food culture
I think something should be mentioned about the swedish peoples fast adaptation to foregin food culture. For example pizza and kebab which have exploded in modern times. In fact a mayor part of all swedish resurants specialize in these meals, which have also resulted in special swedish variants of these dishes, like kebabpizza and kebab roll. (83.248.1.238 18:27, 7 September 2007 (UTC))

This is not Swedish cuisine but immigrant fast food, quite like McDonalds and the like. Not a major (not mayor LOL) part of Swedish restaurants specializes in foreign fast food but foreign fast food stands do. Nothing Swedish there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.184.36.11 (talk) 00:20, 7 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I disagree. The Swedish "pizzarestaurang" is not at all like McDonalds (or Dominoes). As far as I've seen they're not chains at all, they're locally-owned restaurants. And they're not "fast food"-like at all, they're sit-down waiter-staffed affairs with tablecloths and serve beer and wine. Plus, walk into just about any pizza restaurant in Sweden and you will find a) the same 4 or 5 pizzas listed at the top of the menu, often in the same order, b) the same thin-but-not-crispy crusts, and c) the pizza comes with the same "pizzasallad", or pizza salad (more like cole slaw, actually). Pizza in Sweden is IMO a great example of a cuisine that has been localized, perhaps not thoroughly localized, but a long, long way towards it. Flj529 (talk) 10:27, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Cardamom bread
Cardamom bread should probably be mentioned. Badagnani (talk) 05:01, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Swedish cuisine tends to be hearty, practical and sustaining I somehow doubt if this emotional statement should be starting of the article. I haven't deleted it, but may be a profesional sounding can replace this. :)

59.93.215.37 (talk) 14:02, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Emmiesoderstrom. Peer reviewers: Michaelvoku, Ads695.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 10:33, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Swedish Fish
The article lists Swedish Fish as a typical Swedish candy. Having lived in the country, I have yet to encounter Swedish fish in Sweden. And even if they are available in Sweden, I dispute the fact that they are typical for the country. They are made by Malaco, a Swedish corporation--sure--but they seem to mainly export the product into the North American market. Eudoxie (talk) 00:50, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, but the "salted herring" (salmiak fish) is typically Swedish, don't you think? I uploaded the image of the salmiak herring a long time ago, precisely because I thought those were the only typically Swedish kind. Apparently only Scandinavians and the Dutch like any kind of salmiak candy. I quite agree about the red, green and yellow ("traffic lights") fish—they're no more typically Swedish than any other kind of jelly candy, and less than some, such as the classic jelly rats (sega råttor). If you want to improve the Swedish Fish article by removing the fruit-flavored and "traffic light" colored fish and keeping only the salmiak ones (yum yum, salmiak!), Eudoxie, I'm all for it. I smell advertising, anyway; I suspect Cadbury's invented them. [/me goes to remove the Swedish fish from the Swedish cuisine article.] Bishonen | talk 01:56, 2 January 2010 (UTC).

No mention of horse?
I'm surprised that there's no mention of ‎"hamburgerkött" or "Gustafskorv" (a.k.a. horsemeat). Granted there's a mention of "reindeer and other.. game", but I think most people would not think to include horse in that category. I would think a food that many non-swedes would be surprised to learn about, which is fairly often found in the sliced-meats section of ordinary, non-specialty supermarkets (speaking of hamburgerkött; I'm not as familiar with Gustafskorv or how prevalent it may be), deserves at least a passing mention, and possibly a mention of the reasons in the history section. (see "Sweden" and "Taboo" sections of Horse meat for details.) Flj529 (talk) 10:27, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, although there's no general taboo against horse meat (despite a relatively large riding sports culture), horse meat is no staple food in Sweden, compared to beef or pork. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 20:06, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 * But you're free to add it if you like, although I don't see any proper section for it. It seems akin to dog eating in South Korea or fugu in Japan, in that it's a food noticed by foreigners, although it's not eaten regularly by the natives. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 20:16, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Ethical issues
"un-organic chemicals" ? This construction must be based on an misunderstanding of the term "organic", an extremely unfortunate choice made by some English speaking nations to use for what other more sensible people call "ecological" or "biological". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lrohrstrom (talk • contribs) 19:34, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Wine gums
You can't claim wine gums as traditional Swedish cuisine. Wine gums originated in the UK and are sold all over the world. Even the wine gums sold in Sweden are Maynard's.

I recommend it is removed from the list. The source given has nothing to do with wine gums being Swedish. It's just a Swedish webpage that talks about wine gums. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.235.100.25 (talk) 17:29, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

"Flygande Jakob"
a dish introduced in a magazine in 1976 is hardly to be considered traditional "Flygande Jakob" removed. That is no good. "Flygande Jakob" is a classic Swedish meal, do not remove it. Swedes are fast to assimilate things. Hafspajen (talk) 21:57, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Falukorv
Bologna sausage is an American dish. Nobody calles this kind of sausage in Sweden for bologna either. The Swedish sausage is called Falukorv. Hafspajen (talk) 18:39, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just added archive links to 1 one external link on Swedish cuisine. Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20071107102307/http://www.mjolkframjandet.se/faktabank/forskning/mat-_och_dryckesvanor/konsumtion_i_sverige/93_av_svenska_folket_tycker_mjolk_ar_nyttigt to http://www.mjolkframjandet.se/faktabank/forskning/mat-_och_dryckesvanor/konsumtion_i_sverige/93_av_svenska_folket_tycker_mjolk_ar_nyttigt

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.

Cheers. —cyberbot II  Talk to my owner :Online 16:13, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Fast food/street food
I'd suggest that we make a new heading for fast foods and street foods in Sweden. There have been some disagremeent as to whetever or not fast foods and street foods should be added in the past as you can see above since they're mostly foreign in origin, but it honestly make little sense when they play a larger role in modern-day Swedish cuisine than a plentiful of foods mentioned in the lists, like Jansson's frestelse or surströmming. It should be noted that most shops, street food places, fast food restaurants, and something unique to Sweden called "pre-shops" ("förbutiker", a smaller shop located immedeatly within a larger one)

The one I personally think are the most noteworthy are the following:


 * Hot dogs/varmkorvar - normal hot dogs, can be found in virtually every pre-shop, smaller shop, and street food places.
 * Hamburgers/hamburgare - are prevalent in every town thanks to international chains like McDonalds and Burger King, but also local ones like Statoil or Max and even a plentiful of other street food places and every fast food restaurants. Reindeer-based hamburgers are popular in northern Sweden as part of Sami cuisine. Can usually be bought at pizza restaurants or hot dog stands aswell.
 * Pizza - slso have specialized restaurants and is prevalent in most cities. Most pizza restaurants sell dozens of variations, the most popular of which (aswell as some local variations) see listed [|here].
 * Larger sandwiches - Swedes tend to be very picky about having specialized and sweet toppings and often have their sandwiches be small since they're mostly seen as breakfast or in-between meals. Sandwiches found in shops and pre-shops are in contrast larger to this due to being meant as part of a main meal or larger in-between meal. Famous examples would include the köttbullsmacka (teacake, butter, lettuce, meatballs, and beetroot salad), the räkmacka (teacake, butter, lettuce, prawns, eggs, and mayonnaise), and the skagenröramacka (any bread, prawns, mayonnaise, creme fraiche, dill, and lime). Other toppings can include fish, meat, and/or salads, and may be served in a closed sandwich or baguette in contrast to the normal "open" Swedish sandwiches. 212.116.76.106 (talk) 16:50, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * This isn't an article about everything that is eaten in Sweden, but about dishes that are unique to Sweden, or at least variations that are sufficiently unique to set them apart from what is eaten elsewhere (köttbullar/meatballs are eaten in many countries but the Swedish variety of meatballs is generally seen is sufficiently unique to set them apart from meatballs eaten elsewhere...). - Tom &#124; Thomas.W talk 17:08, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

History
I will here develop the concepts about methods for preservations commonly used in Swedish Cuisine. I will broaden the history on fish preservation to include e.g. fermentation, pickling and curing. Some of the references that will be used:

--Emmiesoderstrom (talk) 02:50, 17 October 2017 (UTC)Emmie

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 5 external links on Swedish cuisine. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110606090150/http://www.sweden.se/eng/Home/Lifestyle/Traditions/Reading/Swedish-semla-more-than-just-a-bun/ to http://www.sweden.se/eng/Home/Lifestyle/Traditions/Reading/Swedish-semla-more-than-just-a-bun/
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20090211224734/http://www.vgregion.se/sv/Regionkansliet/Halso--och-sjukvardsavdelningen/Strategisk-utvecklingsenhet/Beslutstod-for-handlingsprogram-mot-overvikt-och-fetma/Broschyrer-och-patientinformation/ to http://www.vgregion.se/sv/Regionkansliet/Halso--och-sjukvardsavdelningen/Strategisk-utvecklingsenhet/Beslutstod-for-handlingsprogram-mot-overvikt-och-fetma/Broschyrer-och-patientinformation/
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20071211055938/http://www.mjolkframjandet.se/faktabank/fakta_om_mjolkprodukter/om_mjolk_-_fragor_och_svar_om_en_av_vara_godaste_drycker?SQ_DESIGN_NAME=skriv_ut&1880_result_page=4 to http://www.mjolkframjandet.se/faktabank/fakta_om_mjolkprodukter/om_mjolk_-_fragor_och_svar_om_en_av_vara_godaste_drycker?SQ_DESIGN_NAME=skriv_ut&1880_result_page=4
 * Added tag to http://www.ostframjandet.se/Press/Nyheter/Nyheter2006/Friska-tander-med-ost-och-mjolk/
 * Added tag to http://www.mjolkframjandet.se/faktabank/naringsfakta/protein/mjolk_och_mjolkprodukter_viktiga_naringskallor?SQ_DESIGN_NAME=skriv_utMj%C3%B6lkfr%C3%A4mjandet
 * Added archive https://archive.is/20081116041302/http://www.visitsweden.com/sweden/Attractions/Gastronomy-in-Sweden/ to http://www.visitsweden.com/sweden/Attractions/Gastronomy-in-Sweden/
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20110310141652/http://www.sweden.se/eng/Home/Lifestyle/Food-drink/Swedish-culinary-classics/ to http://www.sweden.se/eng/Home/Lifestyle/Food-drink/Swedish-culinary-classics/

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 07:02, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Pasta with ketchup
Pasta with ketchup is not a typical Swedish dish. I you want to include it in the list, please add a reference to support your claim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.229.148.50 (talk) 12:33, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thousands of University students would disagree! 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 21:15, 15 January 2020 (UTC)