Talk:Swedish death metal

Finland
Since when is Finland a part op Scandinavia??? Spearhead 18:07, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

As far as metal is concerned, Finland and Iceland are a part of Scandinavia. marnues 22:44, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


 * If Denmark is part of Scandinavia, I don't see why Finland isn't. Nagelfar 05:10, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Finland isn't a part of Scandinavia, thankfully. This is mainly because of the linguistic difference - the Scandinavians speak Germanic, Swedish-like languages, while the Finns speak a Finno-Ugric (Baltic-Finnic) language. --HJV 16:15, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Finland is a part of Scandinavia, just like Iceland is, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia. And Finland was a part of Sweden until 1800's, it was a part of Scandinavia back then, so why it wouldn't be a part now? Crippled 15:04, 9th July 2006

A quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavia: "Scandinavia is a region in Northern Europe named after the Scandinavian Peninsula. The most common definition includes Denmark, mainland Norway, and Sweden. Sometimes Finland is included, even in official contexts,although since the rise of Scandinavism in 1850s, this inclusion divides opinions in all of the respective states. The usage and meaning of the term in unofficial contexts varies: The Nordic countries are Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden, with the addition of the autonomous territories of Åland, Faroe Islands and Greenland."
 * In the English language: "Scandinavia" is sometimes used as a synonym for the Nordic countries.
 * In Denmark, Sweden, Norway and Finland: Finland is not always regarded as a part of Scandinavia.
 * In Germany: Norway, Sweden and Finland are usually included, but Denmark is not.

So geographically The Scandinavian countries are named after the peninsula, but as you can see, the definitions of the term differ highly. If you want to play safe, the term "Nordic metal" should suffice everybody.

Something to ponder upon: the term "Scandinavian death metal" actually references mostly to Swedish and Finnish bands. Norway is primarily known of its black metal genre, and Denmark has very minor metal scene in general, especially when compared to the dozens (no, hundreds) of Swedish and Finnish death metal bands. So, should we drop the term "Scandinavian death metal" altogether, as only one of the three "official" Scandinavian countries (Sweden, Norway, Denmark) is a major player in death metal genre? 62.183.220.246 19:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge
I can agree to a merge. marnues 05:49, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Either merge Scandinavian death and melodic death to Death metal or keep them all separate. Rigmarole 87.203.94.186

This article should not focus exclusively on death metal. It is an article about a regional scene, and thus should include more reference to other styles originating in the region (such as black metal) and why those styles are specific to the region (e.g. viking metal was influenced by the history and culture of scandanavia; black metal was a revolt against scandanavia's dominant religion - christianity etc.)

Thus, rather than merging this article with "melodic death" or "death metal" it should be renamed "nordic metal" and be revised to include:

Old school (stockholm) swedish death metal

New wave (gothenberg) of swedish death metal

Death Thrash

Norwegian Black metal and its many offshoots like viking metal

Funeral Doom

It would also be good if someone with first hand experience could mention some of the venues that helped support the scene. 211.30.68.206 08:07, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Scandinavian death metal should not be merged into melodic death metal. The original New Wave Of Swedish Death Metal (NWOSDM) was not focused only on scandinavian melodic death metal ("Gothenburg metal" with bands like In Flames). Originally NWOSDM meant bands like Entombed, Grave, Dismember and Unleashed at their most brutal prime. There is no "melodic death metal" in Entombed's debut album Left Hand Path.

Also, the black metal bands do not belong under the title "Scandinavian death metal" for obvious reasons - they're after all black metal, not death metal.

However, the title "Scandinavian metal" could work as an virtual umbrella to the various northern metal genres. The term "Scandinavian" is rather vague, though: geographically and linguistically speaking Finland isn't officially part of Scandinavia, but culturally (and musically at this case) it certainly is Scandinavian. The cultures of ie. Sweden and Finland are highly similar, and deeply intertwined. The term Nordic Countries is used more commonly, and it represents better the cultural and historical connections of aforementioned countries. Thus "Nordic Metal" would work as well. 62.183.220.246 19:28, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

How about changing to "Scandinavian metal"?
The Scandinavian region (Norway/Sweden/Finland) is not limited only to death metal, but also black metal, gothic metal, doom metal, power metal, speed metal, neo-classical metal, etc. Doesn't the current article seem just a little too vague?--Danteferno 22:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

But Scandinavian/Swedish Death metal is widely recognized as a specific style of DM, thus deserves its own page.

Guys, if we change this to "Scandinavian Death Metal", it must be Swedish, Norwegish and Danish. Only this three countries is a part of Scandinavia. Finland is not. Finland is NOT Scandinavia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Esbendyr (talk • contribs) 08:09, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

A Suggestion
Shouldn't it be noted that though At The Gates gained mainstream success during the second wave they actually began during the first wave of SWD (Both as themselves and under the name Grotesque)? Actually saying that the first wave was mainly Carnage and Nihilist may be a bit to narrow a view, where does that leave early notable bands such as Grotesque and Therion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.57.206.54 (talk • contribs) 05:18, 6 February 2007

This article talks and talks and talks and never explains with Scandinavian Death Metal is. I wanted to find out, but didn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.124.112.210 (talk • contribs) 04:25, 25 July 2007

Requested move
This page should be moved to "Swedish death metal". There is an entire book on the Swedish scene; all the information here on Norway, Finland, and Denmark is original research. Aryder779 (talk) 22:35, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * We could have tried sourcing it instead of cutting it. If everyone's fine with that editorial change, I suppose I have no problem with this move. Dekimasu よ! 23:57, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I've moved it, and adjusted some redirects accordingly. I've adjusted the lead paragraph and there might be other adjustments that need to be made to match the new title. That'll be a fun project for someone. -GTBacchus(talk) 20:17, 11 March 2009 (UTC)