Talk:Sweetener World Tour

Issues with article
I am here to address some issues within the article. "Location" should be used, as it is a valid parameter per Infobox concert. If anything, the division of "total number of dates" should just state the total amount. Infoboxes are meant to present an overdue of data. If visitors want to know the exact amount of dates, they can go below and see them. As much, "world" is proper for "type" of tour, as this is a world tour and is promoted as such. Yes, it is a concert tour, but it is also a "world" tour — see good-article War Tour for an example. In addition, the removal of "end date" is wrong, as the end date, as of now, is known. If additional dates are added, it can be changed. As such, TableTBA should be used, as it is visually built for tables to match the table set up. Not to mention, using "rowspan" for the attendance is wrong, as each date is separate, and it implies that BOTH dates will share the same data, which they will likely not.  livelikemusic    talk!  16:46, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The "Location" parameter is never used, I have never come across a tour article that uses it. Also, a world tour isn't a proper type of tour on Wikipedia, it's classed as a concert tour, the name and how it's promoted are irrelevant. Also, when there's two consecutive dates at the same venue, the data is almost always reported together, so "rowspan" is correct. Fan4Life (talk) 17:08, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Where is it said it's "never used," because it is utilized on multiple pages. I see multiple good-article pages using the "Location" parameter for its intended use. And, yes, "world tour" is proper, as it is even classified in the template itself, so, again, where it is stated it's not properly classified as a "tour type"? As for "rowspan," it's nothing to do with the date and/or venue, it has to do with the "attendance" and "revenue" parameters. Also, social media needs to STOP being used as a source. If a third-party source is found, it should be used. It lessens the verifiability of a page.  livelikemusic    talk!  17:16, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you link some examples of tour articles that use the "Location" parameter? I've seen a lot of tour articles, but never have I seen that parameter used, and it seems unnecessary anyway, the locations are in the "No. of shows" parameter. Both of Ariana's previous world tours are classed as concert tours in their infoboxes, and so are the vast majority of other tours that could be considered world tours. Also, I was referring to the "attendance" and "revenue" parameters, when there's two or more consecutive shows at the same venue, the attendance and revenue data isn't reported seperately, the data for the shows is combined. Fan4Life (talk) 18:40, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Again, I linked to a good-article that uses it. And, honestly, the template does specify that locations should be used for "Number of shows," so ideally, they should only list the title number of shows. In fact, per the template itself, it says: the total number of shows on the entire tour, so including each leg's breakdown is a direct violation of the template.  livelikemusic    talk!  14:04, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
 * The vast majority of tour articles don't use the "Location" parameter but do have a breakdown of legs in the "No. of shows" parameter, including both of Ariana's previous arena tours. This article should be in line with related/similar articles. Fan4Life (talk) 00:15, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
 * This article should follow the same formatting from The Honeymoon Tour and Dangerous Woman Tour. The "infobox concert tour" shows No. of shows, so this page should follow the same as well. Musicpoplover12 (talk) 22:03, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Infobox concert tour no longer exists as a stand-alone template. Infobox concert is now the proper template, and the template calls for certain parameters. And, also, neither of those pages listed are good articles.  livelikemusic    talk!  00:39, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Irrelevant, the article should be in line with the vast majority of tour articles. You don't have consensus for your desired changes and the template doesn't actually require them, it merely allows them, just as it allows the current version of the article. Fan4Life (talk) 16:20, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * How was consensus reached when discussion is still happening? At this point, I'm requesting comment from others, as this seems like a tag team event. The template itself states TOTAL of SHOWS, not a breakdown of each territory. Just total number. Ignoring that is ignoring what the template itself asks for. Therefore, that violates the MoS setup by the template.  livelikemusic    talk!  16:23, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I never said consensus had been reached, I just said that you don't have consensus for your changes, which is true. What the template calls for isn't a strict set of instructions and there is nothing disallowing the current version of the article, plus when the vast majority of tour articles are set out in a certain way, what the template calls for is completely irrelevant. Ignoring the vast majority of tour articles and widely accepted formatting matters far more than not adhering to what the template calls for, it's more important to be in line with related/similar articles. As it stands, only you support these changes, both of the other users involved in this discussion (myself and User:Musicpoplover12) oppose them. You don't need to request input from others, there isn't a minimum number of users needed for consensus, just a majority, which there is here, a consensus of two against one is still consensus. Fan4Life (talk) 16:37, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually, a RfC is required to hopefully gain some discussion from users not involved at this current moment. Once again, you keep saying consensus of two against one, and there is no consensus, as discussion is still in-progress. Discussion ≠ consensus if discussion is still happening at this point in time. No attempts of compromise have even been discussed, or even brought up. The template, itself, is a guideline and calls for what is and is not required in an infobox, and, unfortunately, people tend to ignore this for their own-preferred setup. If Wikipedia were to comb through every single page, many changes would be made to all articles. Simply stating vast-majority follows something is like saying if vast people of the world jumped from a bridge, then that's what we should be doing, as well. My intent is to better an article's standards and strive for a GA-quality article, and, at the end of the day, that should be everyone's intent within an article.  livelikemusic    talk!  16:46, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * That doesn't change the fact that what the template calls for is not a strict set of instructions and there is nothing disallowing the current version of the article. Also, how the vast majority of related/similar articles are formatted does matter. Fan4Life (talk) 17:17, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

The total attendance of the shows is only 87 shows not 97. Aribest10 (talk) 18:35, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

2 Chainz
During the Boston show, 2 Chainz appeared and he and Ariana performed "Rule the World". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.213.238.206 (talk) 12:55, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Images from the tour
Can someone provide images from the Sweetener Tour as well as from her performances in Coachella. I would but I don't know how. Batud1991 (talk) 00:40, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Excluded song
It should be noted that the set list didn't include "Imagine", because it was too heavy to perform; "Pete Davidson", because of their breakup; and "Ghostin'", because it's difficult for Grande to perform due to Mac Miller's passing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:802:8300:1475:109E:3376:2891:B42 (talk) 22:40, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

monopoly
During the shows in Inglewood and Vegas, Grande performed "Monopoly" after "7 Rings", so I think it may have been added to the set list.

Charlotte show
Grande performed "Tattooed Heart" and "Piano" before "Get Well Soon", during the June 10 concert in Charlotte, NC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:802:8300:1475:E5EE:406B:A6E2:69B7 (talk) 05:24, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Raleigh
The Raleigh performance was rescheduled from June 4 to November 22 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:802:8300:1475:E858:968B:8AAF:1C1E (talk) 23:37, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

It's not rescheduled, it was cancelled first and then scheduled again. People with tickets for June concert can't use them for November show. Waitingforag6 (talk) 19:34, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Washington, DC
During the show in Washington, Grande did not perform "bloodline"


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Suingtent (talk) 19:24, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Updated Setlist
This setlist is representative of the concert on June 29, 2019. . It does not represent all concerts for the duration of the tour.

Act 1 1. "raindrops" 2. "God is a woman" 3. "bad idea" 4. "break up with your girlfriend, i'm bored"

Act 2 5. "R.E.M" 6. "Be Alright" 7. "sweetener"/"successful" 8. "Side To Side" 9. "bloodline" 10. "7 rings"

Act 3 11. "Love Me Harder" 12. "breathin" 13. "needy" 14. "fake smile" 15. "make up" 16. "Right There"/"You'll Never Know"/"Break Your Heart Right Back" 17. "NASA" 18. "get well soon"

Act 4 19. "everytime" 20. "the light is coming" 21. "Into You"

Act 5 22. "Dangerous Woman" 23. "Break Free" 24. "no tears left to cry"

Encore 25. thank u, next


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Suingtent (talk) 19:25, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

From the Show in vienna, boyfriend due removed from the Setlist ImSebax (talk) 02:14, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

During the third Show in Dublin, Successful and Only 1 were not performed ImSebax (talk) 02:20, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

From the show in Oslo, only 1 it was removed from Setlist and replaced with tattooed heart ImSebax (talk) 02:23, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

During the show offered in Berlin, successful was not performed ImSebax (talk) 02:25, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

During the show offered in Zurich, Successful was not performed ImSebax (talk) 23:31, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Bloodline
"Bloodline" was not performed during the second shows in Washington and Boston. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:802:8300:1475:F846:3BB9:1E02:C9C3 (talk) 05:30, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Normani set list
https://twitter.com/GrandeTourNews/status/1107809150531186688/photo/1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:802:8300:1475:F846:3BB9:1E02:C9C3 (talk) 05:37, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Toronto
During the second performance in Toronto, Ariana's family and friends sang "Happy Birthday" to her onstage, for her 26th birthday, in place of "Bloodline". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mortal Aphrodite (talk • contribs) 03:38, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Twitter as source
Per WP:TWITTER (or WP:SOCIALMEDIA in general), which I remind is a Wikipedia policy on verifiability, it specifically states that it can only be used if it is about themselves (in terms of account). However, if the account-in-question includes information about third-parties, it should not be used on Wikipedia. Grande Tour News is not a verified account, and its inclusion is inappropriately included on this Wikipedia. If a reliable, third-party cannot be found, then the information is in consideration to be a conflict. The Twitter in-question is not posting about themselves, but, instead, about someone else, which makes their content not applicable on Wikipedia.  livelikemusic    talk!  14:37, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * But the information is verifiable as there's video evidence. It doesn't make sense to exclude verifiable information just because the source is a Twitter account. Fan4Life (talk) 15:30, 7 October 2019 (UTC)


 * But, is it really, though? Just because they tagged it as the event, does not mean it is. Wikipedia does not assume or speculate, that's why verifiable, third-party sources are largely preferred for use, as it removes any kind of substantial question of validity.  livelikemusic    talk!  15:33, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I was able to locate a reliable source for the Helsinki show from Helsingin Sanomat, which is acceptable for the claims.  livelikemusic    talk!  15:44, 7 October 2019 (UTC)
 * It's not speculation, video evidence is pretty indisputable. Fan4Life (talk) 19:07, 8 October 2019 (UTC)


 * You are missing the valid point, but what matters is that a reliable source for Helsinki, and only Helsinki, was provided.  livelikemusic    talk!  20:49, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
 * But the information is verifiable and should be included. Fan4Life (talk) 15:05, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

form peo
I'm getting all that information from the Instagram videos of the Shows so know things before speaking thanks ImSebax (talk) 23:38, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 October 2019
Ariana added "Tattooed Heart" to the setlist in Oslo, not Helsinki, replacing "only 1". Hotkon (talk) 15:32, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

The page says she added tattooed heart to the set list starting with Helsinki. This is wrong, as the page I linked says, she first added this to the show in Oslo. I can also confirm this as I was there my self. https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/ariana-grande/2019/telenor-arena-fornebu-norway-239c7493.html Only4facts (talk) 15:59, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done NiciVampireHeart 10:44, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Tattooed Heart was added on setlist starting from show in Oslo. Not in Helsinki Waitingforag6 (talk) 19:37, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 October 2019

 * Starting with the show in Berlin "Successful" was removed from the setlist. Antonh03 (talk) 11:16, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. NiciVampireHeart 11:24, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Lexington show
A few minutes ago, Ariana posted on story that she cancels Lexington show for tonight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LuxiStan33 (talk • contribs) 17:11, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Atlanta show
At the November 19 show in Atlanta "Successful", "Everytime", and "Break Free" were not performed. Additionally, Grande's former Victorious co-stars, Matt Bennett and Elizabeth Gillies appeared onstage during "Thank U, Next". Earlier in the show, Bennett sang "I Think You're Swell" to Grande and Gillies performed "Give It Up" with the singer.

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2020
Let's add the concert sypnosis. K12Loveratic (talk) 04:36, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , Have any specific suggestions or sources in mind? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:40, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It's already there,it's called the lead -  FlightTime  ( open channel ) 04:44, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:49, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

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