Talk:Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's 100 metre butterfly

Records
I'm not briefed in how we're supposed to go about maintaining these articles, but this seems to be wrong to me. In the record section, it says:

"Prior to this competition, the existing world and Olympic records were as follows.

Olympic Record 	United States Michael Phelps (USA) 	50.58 	Beijing, China 	15 August 2008 	-"

It says prior to this competition, and then it reads Phelps' record made in the competition. Is that correct or not? --Concordia (talk) 02:23, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I jumped the gun, someone corrected it. But the Olympic record given in the article is still one that was made during one of the heats.  Should we display the record before the entire event, including the heats, or just the final? --Concordia (talk)  —Preceding undated comment was added at 02:27, 16 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It should be displaying the records before the entire competition, even the prelims. Kingnavland (talk) 02:52, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Abbreviations
Can I get any information on what the AS and OC abbreviations mean? Swern425 (talk) 05:31, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Good question...we need a legend on the page.  C t j f 8 3 Talk 05:43, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I had the same confusion, I've started a discussion here. --Falcorian (talk) 08:07, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I found out what they were...posted here  C t j f 8 3 Talk 03:22, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Cavic's comments
I added a second statement Cavic made concerning Phelp's win, as Cavic's comments were much more equivocal than the previous entry suggested. Calypygian (talk) 20:06, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

External Link
I have a query about the external link that has just been added. I felt a little bit misled by the title when I followed the link. The title given for the link on the wiki page sounded very neutral, but when I followed it, the webpage itself was rather POV. I was wondering;- (1) If people want this external link, is there a better title we can think of for it that indicates that it is POV? (NB I can't even work out whose POV it is, because the webpage doesn't specify the reference of the "we"). (2) If people want this external link, shouldn't we also have another external link to balance it which offers the final position of FINA, the Serbian delgation and Cavic himself? Calypygian (talk) 16:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)


 * It's been removed. -- Jonel (Speak to me) 19:18, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Infobox
I've added an which WP:OLY hope will eventually be rolled out to all olympic event articles. Basement12 (T.C) 19:12, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I didn't realize that such an infobox existed. -- Mr.crabby    (Talk)   19:14, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Results tables
There are some variations amongst the Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics - EVENT articles where the heats are either separated into a table per heat, or combined into one complete sortable table (e.g. Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's 200 metre freestyle). Whilst this variation hasn't been discussed on WP:OLY, with this article aiming for GA status, this article should use the standard choice that the other articles should then follow. I'd say the one larger sortable table looks better - swimming event progression is based on time only, not position within a heat, so the separate heat placings aren't so important.

Furthermore it has been discussed at WP:OLY (Wt:WikiProject Olympics) about having a notes column for displaying WR/OR/CR/NR etc. I notice this column is missing from the tables in this article.

Yboy83 (talk) 20:31, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I'd agree with that. The notes column should go in what ever the choice of table type but I think one sortable table is the direction to take with all the swiming articles. The templates  linking to World records in swimming and   that links to List of Olympic records in swimming should be used in the notes column. Basement12 (T.C) 20:37, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think the table per heat format looks a little better, but I'm less familiar with the guidelines in these sorts of articles than you two, so I'll be fine with whatever the consensus is. -- Mr.crabby    (Talk)   22:52, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

National Records
Having loked extensively I can't find any single source listing all the national records set that will remain stable (the current one will change as new records are set). This means that either each record will need individually sourcing or they all need to be removed. However this will also greatly efect the main body of text. i don't know who initially listed all the NRs but it would be good to know where they got the information. It seems to be incomplete anyway as this source suggests a new Maltese record, not currently mentioned, was also set. I think the problem we have is ensuring that we have every record listed as without them either being listed in the official results its very difficult to check. Basement12 (T.C) 21:27, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

fraud confirmed!!
http://www.b92.net/eng/news/society-article.php?yyyy=2009&mm=08&dd=07&nav_id=61012 It is clear, that he was second in the 100 meter race. Even Omega admits it, finally after one year. (LAz17 (talk) 16:43, 7 August 2009 (UTC)).

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