Talk:Swiss Air Force/Archives/2015/September

No Infos on wikipedia about the Swiss Air Force F/A-18 Hornet Display Team and the Superpuma Display Team
It was rejectet to have a one page for the single aircraft teams, it was sayd single aircraft teams are not important enough to have a own page ( so what about this 2 ?Solo Türk and F-16 Demo Team Both are also single aircraft teams like the Swiss Hornet Display). How ever Both of this Teams are seen by the air force as  official team. So this tow teams should have here on the Swiss Air Force Page a place who the reader can found more as just that they exist. Also this Teams are seen in the Swiss Air Force as equalt to the Patrouille Suisse and PC-7 Team who have theyr own page on wikipedia. FFA P-16 (talk) 19:30, 5 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Solo display aircraft are not really notable and to fill the article with information about them is undue WP:WEIGHT, the aerobatic teams dont need to say much because they have stand-alone article but the solo aircraft dont really need more than one sentence. The main purpose of the swiss air force is not to have display teams or even solo display aircraft so more than the sentence on each is undue weight. Your addition was challenged so to keep adding it back in without consensus is bad form, the polite thing would be to remove it until you get consensus, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 19:37, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

@MilborneOne. What you say is not correct! See: Solo Türk and F-16 Demo Team.

FFA P-16 (talk) 20:14, 5 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Those other pages should probably be deleted, but ether way that is not relevant here. Each topic must be treated on it own merits - is this solo "team" notable enough? Nothing indicates that either the Swiss solo Hornet or Super Puma can sustain more than a sentence or two. &mdash; Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 20:55, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

The F/A-18 Hornet Solo Display was founded shortly after the introduction of the F/A-18 Hornet in the Swiss Air Force in 1997. The mission of the F/A-18 solo display it is to show the flight performance and maneuverability of the F/A-18 at home and abroad at various air shows to visitors. From 1997 to 1998 the team was made of two display pilots, Stéphane "Punzel» Rapaz and Werner "Höffi" Hoffmann (Werner Hoffman today is the Commander of the PC-7 Team). Since 1999, the F/A-18 Hornet Solo Display has one display pilot only, which is often accompanied abroad by a former or future F/A-18 Hornet display pilot on the flight demonstrations. This is normally with a second F/A-18C as a reserve on the spot. Unlike the formation flight of view and with the support by the team commander on the ground, as with the Patrouille Suisse or the PC-7 Team, the F/A-18 Solo Display is not flown at sight or radio as Refernz but a program based on numbers, engine performance, angle of attack angle, speednumbers, climb & descents.The display is made with F/A-18C (single seat) without external loads, whenever it is possible from the F/A-18 fleet availability, the squadron maircraft is used by the squadron in which the current F/A-18 Hornet Solo Display pilot is a member. These are J-5011 Squadron 11 Tigers, J-5017 of the Squadron 17 Falcons or the J-5018 Squadron 18 Panthers. Is the Sqadron aircraft not available, the display will be flown with any F/A-18C. An exception was the first official flight demonstration of Stéphane "Punzel» Rapaz who completed it with the F/A-18D J-5233 and the flight demonstration at MAKS Airshow 2013 in Moscow where the flight demonstration with the F/A-18D (double seater) J-5232 was flown with attached wing tanks. Home base is Payerne Air Base.

Awards The team has won several awards since its inception, for example
 * Paul Bowen Solo Jet Aerobatic Trophy 2006, 2007, 2009
 * 2.Rank for «the most accurate, polish and safe display» 2012
 * Commander Trophy for «best military display» 2012

The Super Puma Display Team performs at various events at home and abroad, the flight capabilities and flight performance of a AS332M1 Super Puma or Eurocopter AS532 Cougar. The Super Puma Display Team only presented the flight characteristics. The demonstration of external load transport, deposition troops, fire-fighting and rescue operations is not part of the display. The advantage of the Super Puma Display Team over the flying displays by airplane is that even in heavy cloud cover, the show can be presented. Also the team including helicopter can, before and after the show, by on the ground directly on site and visitors can then go to "rub shoulders". For the flight demonstration Axalp the Super Puma Display Team uses a Cougar, this opens up the show with the launch of flares. All pilots of the Super Puma Display Team are professional military pilots, they flywith the Super Puma, Cougar and the Eurocopter EC635 daily. Moreover, they are also often in charge of Search and rescue flights with helicopters equipped with a FLIR of the Swiss Air Force. Home base of the Super Puma Display Team is the Dübendorf Air Base where also training takes place (apart from the local training at showplaces on the day before the show).

Both solo display teams are official Teams of the swiss air Force who are reardes by the swiss air force as equal to the pc-7 team or patouille suisse. so as we have here aage about the swiss air force and  no extra page about this 2 teams, this is the right place who readers can finde informations about them.

http://www.lw.admin.ch/internet/luftwaffe/en/home/verbaende/einsatz_lw/kunstflugteam/solodisplay.html

http://www.lw.admin.ch/internet/luftwaffe/de/home/verbaende/einsatz_lw/kunstflugteam/superpuma.html

I don't agree with "Those other pages should probably be deleted, but ether way that is not relevant here." Same rouls for all! It is not right if the Turkis and Greece soloteams can have theyer own page but the Swiss soloteams can not hve theyer own page and also informations about them are cenored out on the Swiss Air Force page! FFA P-16 (talk) 21:10, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Still a othe single Aircraft Team whit its own page F-16 Demo Team so a handfull sentens about this teams should be possibel on the Swis AF page. FFA P-16 (talk) 17:48, 13 September 2015 (UTC)