Talk:Swiss International Air Lines

Merge
Should this page not be merged with the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_International_Air_Lines_destinations page? Seems pointless keeping them seperate.82.26.43.105 09:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Merge 2

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no consensus to merge, defaulting to leave as is --User:Arnzy (talk • contribs) 00:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose - There's no need to merge in Swiss European. It's a regional subsidiary, like Comair for Delta or American Eagle for American. Dbinder (talk) 02:18, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ultra Strong Support It is a subsidiary fully owned by Swiss. It uses Swiss aircraft.It does not have a seperate CEO. It has a different ICAO code but it has the same IATA code. Unlike American Eagle at least one of the ICAO and IATA codes is equivalent to that of Swiss International Airlines. It has the same aircraft livery like Swiss. It does not even have a seperate website and not even an own section on Swiss's website. The luggage tags are the same. On the "fleet" section on the Swiss website all the planes are listed as part of Swiss. Swiss European airlines isn't even mentioned once as operating the Jumbolino's.(Avro RJ 85 or 100). The routes that SIAL flies are almost the same as those of SEAL. User:wwicki

)-"fleet" section on Swiss website.


 * Oppose - Regional subsidiary, it should have its own page like any of the other "express" carriers. —Cliffb 07:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
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There should also be information about the star alliance logo on the aircraft and the logo's size. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.197.129.20 (talk) 00:51, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Merge 3

 * Support This is not about a regional subsidary. It's just about a financial structure. It makes no sense at all to keep them separate here.Fleet ch (talk) 08:45, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Codeshare list
The codeshare listing is quite a mouthful - is there any easy way to lean that up, or should it even be included in the present form? Any ideas? Jkstark 03:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Headquarters?
I have a question, though I'm not sure whether it's worth addressing in the article. The Infobox mentions that the airline's headquarters are in Basel. Isn't this in a big office building at Basel/EuroAirport? If so, then aren't the headquarters technically in France? -- Gyrofrog (talk) 06:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

The headquarters are not at the airport of Basel. I think they are in a building in the city. Wwicki 14:04, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

The Building is at Basel Airport. It is territorially in france, but I believe that there is an agreement regulating the issue... I'll check that when I'm home... if it's needed. Greetings from Big Boss 212.117.102.102 13:15, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Legally, the headquarters are in the City of Basel. I would have to check the shab.ch website to give you exact fact of that.... but now i'm ill... i'll leave that to another volounteer... ha.
 * The registered office is a place in the city of Basel, but the actual head office is on the grounds of EuroAirport, which is technically in France, but the Swiss HQ is on the Swiss side and must be accessed from Switzerland. WhisperToMe (talk) 05:11, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Fleetsize
"Fleet size: 31 (7 on order)" Shouldn't that be 73 or am I missing somethings? Even If you didn't count Swiss European it would still be 49! --80.218.149.71 20:12, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

'''Do you think it should be mentioned the SR technics Switzerland GMB should be mentioned as their main contractor? I currently work at a major vendor to EADS, BOEING, PW and many airlines. One of their planes were recently damaged i dont know what happened but i sent out a large amount of fuselage skin "T4 alclad panels"  '''  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.109.127.19 (talk) 02:30, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

There are problems with the seating capacity for the Airbus A32S; the business and economy seats do not add up to the totals.--Lbc71 (talk) 09:38, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Chinese character on Swiss International tailfin
What is the Chinese character on this Swiss tailfin? WhisperToMe 19:57, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Swiss logo.png
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Star Alliance logo
The Star Alliance logo can be seen on the aircraft next to the cockpit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.197.129.20 (talk) 00:53, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Swiss still has MD-11?
They went to other operator ages ago. This is ages old and needs to be updated! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.33.98.130 (talk) 13:20, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Boeing 737-800
In the table listing all aircraft, the Boeing 737-800 is listed with 25 (!) orders. However, I was unable to find any information about this elsewhere. Can someone please confirm that with a credible source? Additionally, the number of passengers seems way off with 189 for an all-business plane. I guess that should be 52 or 56. --TnTch (talk) 20:24, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If there is no source, remove it. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:33, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Archives
http://mobile.swiss.com WhisperToMe (talk) 09:53, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Someone messed up the fleet table
What should be below the fleet table is inside it and it messes it up and needs to be moved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.35.142 (talk) 01:27, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

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Grouping together Swiss Intl Air Lines and Swiss Global Air Lines fleet
Surely Swiss International Air Lines' and Swiss Global Air Lines' fleet should be grouped together? It makes more sense as both operate under the same name, livery and use the same website. It is also easier for the reader to read everything in one place. This grouping together would simply involve the addition of Swiss Global Air Lines' fleet on Swiss International Air Lines' fleet list. Csprime (talk) 13:27, 22 March 2017 (UTC)


 * As far as I understand, the Swiss Global aircraft are wet-leased to Swiss. WP:ALFC suggests for that situation, that they should not be included on the Swiss International fleet list, however it is not a binding guideline. I personally prefer not grouping them together, but I would accept it if that is the consensus. However I am strongly opposed to include only the Boeing 777 (as it is now); there is no reason to treat the 777 differently than other Swiss Global aircraft. Sure, they are owned by Swiss International, but so aresome of the RJ100 (3 of the remaining 5); what really matters is under which air operator's certificate they are operated, which is Swiss Global's. (Swiss Global actually doesn't own a single aircraft). Source: Swiss Aircraft Register of the Federal Office of Civil Aviation --Novarupta (talk) 22:12, 18 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes. I personally would prefer to include all of Swiss Global's aircraft - it's easier for the reader to read. Csprime (talk) 12:34, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

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Flag carrier/National Airline?
The lede (still) states that Swiss is the "national airline"; the only reference supporting that is a link to a corporate page where they call themselves the "the airline of Switzerland". Until 2017 it said "flag carrier", and referred to an article calling Swiss the "de facto flag carrier". Flag carrier states that it is a "[carrier that] enjoys preferential rights or privileges accorded by the government". I could also assume that "national airline" could mean an airline that is to some degree owned by the government.

As far as I can see, none of this is true. No evidence is given that Swiss has any special privileges accorded by the government, and it is a subsidiary of Lufthansa. Of course Swiss styles themselves as "THE airline of Switzerland" and summon the legacy of old flag carrier Swissair. But this is marketing - nothing of this actually makes them a "national" carrier.

I'd just delete the note, but I'm a bit surprised that it was allowed to stand for years. So I wanted to ask here if there was any particular reason for that. --Averell (talk) 06:18, 30 May 2019 (UTC)


 * None that I can see, certainly the concept of "flag carrier" (an airline with special rights) is no longer valid and it is probably true of "national airline" as it is not controlled or owned by the government. MilborneOne (talk) 10:30, 30 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I changed this to "flag carrier" now. The respective article notes that a "flag carrier" may also be an airline with a strong connection to a state (as is the case here), and it does not imply a connection to a state in the way that "national airline" does. Averell (talk) 17:12, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

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Head office location?
Dear and

I notice you worked on the German Wiki version of the article extensively. I noticed that signage of SWISS was removed from the Basel Airport office (though the SWISS site indicates an office of the company is still there). I wonder if the primary head office (where the airline executive and top staff reside) has moved to Kloten, as SWISS now lists Kloten first. Are there any newspaper articles in German which document about how Crossair/SWISS has moved its head office from Basel Airport to Kloten?

Thank you, WhisperToMe (talk) 00:46, 16 December 2023 (UTC)