Talk:Syed Haris Ahmed

Clarification about previously deleted content
This article was deleted in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policies following a discussion at Articles for deletion/Syed Ahmed. Useful content was merged with The Apprentice (UK series 2), and this page is now a redirect. Please do not recreate the article: if you disagree with the article's deletion, you may ask for a review at Deletion review. I have protected this page to prevent further recreation of the deleted content. └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 16:30, 1 June 2006 (UTC) To clarify; this message, and the deletion discussion at Articles for deletion/Syed Ahmed refer to a contestant on the second UK series of the The Apprentice. The current article on Syed Haris Ahmed refers to a different individual, and is thus not recreation of deleted content. └ UkPaolo/talk┐ 16:01, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Speedy Delete
You'll notice that this article is about a different Syed Ahmed than the one that was speedy-deleted, I'll assume it was just an honest error :) Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 16:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Ah yeah but it's still the same editor who didn't want Syed Ahmed deletedd....uh....also UkPaolo's message makes me think that this is the ame message. I'll look into it right now and if it is the same page I'll readd the speedy delete tag. ForestH2 | + | √+ | √ | √- | - 16:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Erm....think looks very supspicious. See Articles for deletion/Syed Ahmed. ForestH2 | + | √+ | √ | √- | - 16:50, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


 * You know what...I think I am going to add an afd message as the info is very little with only three sentences. This page should be merged. ForestH2 | + | √+ | √ | √- | - 16:52, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

As I said, the old AFD was about some reality TV show character named Syed Ahmed, not an alleged terrorist :P I'm not sure what you mean by "same editor", I had nothing to do with the reality TV show article, I really only write articles about terrorist-related things. :) Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 16:41, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Publication Ban
Much reporting on this topic is handicapped by a Canadian-wide publication ban, although I'll quote the judge who issued the 2006 ban that "The ban does not apply to information obtained outside the court". Any information I put on these pages is footnoted to its legitimate source, and nothing comes from any personal knowledge, discussions or attendance at legal hearings. Sherurcij (speaker for the dead) 03:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


 * The only information affected by the ban would be on the Canadian case proper. There is very little here that elaborates on the connection, so even if this were an issue (hard to believe that a Canadian judge would have a world-wide Wiki reach), there is not enough in this article to evem trigger a Canadian court interest. Most of the information is about what amounts to an independent US indictment, based primarily on the information obtained from the defendants. They just happened to be connected to the Toronto group because they were involved in the same chat group and visited the Toronto people in an attempt to share information. The pair in Atlanta appear to be to young idiots who thought it would be "cool" to play terrorist, just like many of their neighbors might think that it is "cool" to be a drug dealer, or the same way college students think it's "cool" to be a Trotskist or a Maoist. That said, a number of newspaper articles mentioned that both suspects had become more religious shortly before the arrest. On the other hand, someone who's actually been radicalized, as opposed to "playing terrorist" would have done just the opposite of what these people did--they would have abstained from all the causes, ceased any discussion of terrorism, tried to blend in religious circles and started changing their lifestyle, friends, etc. Chances of these guys becoming actual terrorist are incredibly low, but they would have been able to do something incredibly thoughtless and stupid, like providing a casing video to actual terrorists. Had they been left alone, eventually they probably would have grown out of it, but it's too late now. I have no "personal knowledge" about the case at all--all my info comes from news sources, and I referenced it accordingly. Alex.deWitte (talk) 05:14, 21 January 2009 (UTC)