Talk:Sylvester Stallone/Archive 3

Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2019
I would change: Stallone mostly only found gradual work as an extra or side character in films with a sizeable budget until he achieved his greatest critical and commercial success as an actor, starting in 1976 with his self-created role as the boxer Rocky Balboa, in the first film of the successful Rocky series (1976-2018).

to: Stallone mostly only found gradual work as an extra or side character in films with a sizeable budget until he achieved his greatest critical and commercial success as an actor, starting in 1976 with his role as the boxer Rocky Balboa modeled after the professional boxer Chuck Wepner, in the first film of the successful Rocky series (1976-2018). Manhattaner (talk) 23:33, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
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Adding a higher quality signature
I don’t see why this has to be discussed but for some reason I can’t put it up without people agreeing. So who’s in favour of putting high quality vectorised svg version of his signature over  low quality png version of his signature? Michael14375 (talk) 18:25, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * This is the first time I've seen this and it might be common, but it seems to take away from the authenticity of the original signature. I could be wrong here, but I wanted to hear from other editors. -  FlightTime Phone  ( open channel ) 18:29, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * It is common and I've even added a source to prove it's authenticity so stop undoing my edits. Michael14375 (talk) 18:33, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Edit warring is not the way to resolve this. -  FlightTime Phone  ( open channel ) 18:36, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I know I shouldn't edit war but it shouldn’t be something that has to be resolved mate, I put my time and effort into vectorising his signature because signatures on Wikipedia aren't supposed to be a low resolution png file, plus I was the one that uploaded the low resolution png file before I figured out how to vectorise signatures. So can you stop undoing my edits and keep it up? Michael14375 (talk) 18:45, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Really? time and effort makes everything correct? Wditwarring is Editwarring regardless of your work. -  FlightTime Phone  ( open channel ) 18:52, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Just forget about my editwarring. You can’t just undo edits just because you're unsure, I know what I'm doing. The signature I uploaded in vector format has a source to prove it's authenticity and should 100% stay up. Signatures should not be in low resolution. Michael14375 (talk) 18:57, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You may be right, but that's what consensus is there for. Cheers, -  FlightTime Phone  ( open channel ) 19:01, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Then how many supporters do I need? I have never run into this issue until now, this is honestly ridiculous. I still fail see why you'd rather have a low quality signature than a vectorised one. Michael14375 (talk) 20:59, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Stallone's interest in art and interest in painting
I see nothing mentioned about Stallone's passion for art and his paintings. Before I attempt to write something on this aspect of his life, is there any reason nothing has already been covered yet? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JerricaB (talk • contribs) 08:47, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 June 2020
Please update these MTV references in the article (new links provided): Golden Kela: http://www.mtv.com/news/2435621/sylvester-stallone-and-denise-richards-nominated-for-razzies-equivalent-the-golden-kela-awards/ ; Biggie/Tupac movie http://www.mtv.com/news/1472396/sylvester-stallone-making-movie-about-biggie-tupac-murders/ BaseFree (talk) 15:34, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Why are you requesting edits to references are already cited in the article and you need to specify where you want them made as described above in "change X to Y" format. Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate 17:06, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I identified the areas by their keywords. I described the links that needed to be updated. It was very clear what needed to be done--BaseFree (talk) 03:52, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: There is no reason for the references to be changed. If you want the references can be added, but there aren't any dead links, so there is no point. — Yours, Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 07:28, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

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Filmography
Chatterjee95,

why are you constantly removing filmography? Please stop that, Thank You.(KIENGIR (talk) 11:45, 27 July 2020 (UTC))

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Big gap
There continues to be a big gap in this article. It doesn't explain why he was in Switzerland. It doesn't say what he studied at university or whether he received any qualification. It doesn't describe any physical training, sport etc, that would have developed his physique.--Jack Upland (talk) 21:25, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

His official site says, He then spent two years instructing at the American College of Switzerland in Geneva. But according to the New York Times: After high school in Philadelphia, where he had been a star fullback and discus thrower, Stallone enrolled at the American College in Leysin, Switzerland. Finding that money was scarce, he teamed up with classmate Prince Paul of Ethiopia to open a hamburger stand for the student, who had never tasted them before. Another part-time job required him to shoo men away from the girls' dormitory. He soon found, however, that it was more profitable to look the other way, 2 francs an hour, to be exact. I earned my plane fare home that way, he said, smiling. So was he a teacher or a student?--Jack Upland (talk) 08:51, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

I cant edit the page
Theres a section that says he used to bathe in his clothes thats not in the source can someone fix it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DragonJoeWyrm (talk • contribs) 17:24, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Done Dkspartan1835 (talk) 06:44, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2021
Simple grammatical change.

Change
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Early roles to breakthrough: 1968–1976
While Stallone in University of Miami, he had a role in the drama That Nice Boy (aka The Square Root)

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Early roles to breakthrough: 1968–1976
While Stallone was attending the University of Miami, he had a role in the drama That Nice Boy (aka The Square Root) Errantdog231 (talk) 03:58, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

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Gibberish Word in Intro
So what does the statement that Stallone was "one of Hollywood's highest-paid actors of that area" mean? "Area" should presumably be changed to "era" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8800:2196:C100:112D:E382:8EFA:6E83 (talk) 19:14, 8 April 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅ – 2 . O . Boxing  19:35, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 April 2021
Please change "In 2021, it was reported that Stallone joined the Mar-A-Lago club owned by former President Donald J. Trump" and add "However, Stallone refuted this on his personal Instagram page." Source: https://www.instagram.com/p/CNn36OOpMpe/?igshid=yc3jqs9zh223 209.252.172.51 (talk) 08:21, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I've removed this. The New York Post reports it as gossip. Stallone has denied it. And it is basically trivial.--Jack Upland (talk) 09:28, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

He was bullied as a child
The newspaper article I saw today won't be online for several more days. I can link to it then. However, I was looking for other sources and none seem to be good enough for Wikipedia, and I wonder if the journalist got his information from an acceptable source. I thought I had found something--Stallone himself talking about being bullied--and it was a dead link.

My source says he coped by bodybuilding and acting. The article now does not seem to explain why he started acting.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  19:15, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Having heard no objections, with my source now online, I will go ahead and include it.— Vchimpanzee  •  talk  •  contributions  •  18:26, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 September 2021
Laizig (talk) 14:19, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
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Early roles to breakthrough: 1968–1976
Ist 1977

Rocky Academy Award
Didn't he win an Academy Award for best actor for Rocky and wasn't he nominated as best screen play writer for the same film? (1977) 2A04:4A43:470F:D38F:0:0:1A35:6E8F (talk) 14:06, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 August 2022
HELLO WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST AN EDIT TO THE WIKIPEDIA PAGE OF SYLVESTER STALLONE. THE NAME OF MR STALLONE IS INACCURATELY LISTED AS "MICHAEL SYLVESTER GARDENZIO STALLONE" THE CORRECT NAME IS: SYLVESTER ENZIO STALLONE. WE REQUEST COMPLETE REMOVAL OF NAME "MICHAEL" AND EDIT OF "GARDENZIO" TO ENZIO PLEASE LET US KNOW IF THIS IS RECEIVED, CONSIDERED AND CORRECTED. ALL CONSIDERATION AND ASSISTANCE IS GREATLY APPRECIATED Miss Bega (talk) 22:27, 2 August 2022 (UTC) Miss Bega (talk) 22:27, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:29, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
 * And please turn off your capslock. PRAXIDICAE🌈 22:34, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Name change
Is it known when and why he changed his name? ★Trekker (talk) 15:25, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Rocky
Zgjzgbjgnhfn keel ovlivnit 85.163.7.164 (talk) 14:10, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Academy Awards
Hey wiki Stallone has won an Academy Award for Rocky you dip doodles 172.92.86.38 (talk) 00:16, 16 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Stallone was nominated for an Academy Award for Best Actor for his performance in Rocky in 1977. He did not win. Peter Finch won for his performance in Network.   General Ization  Talk  00:26, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

Stallone's real name
Stallone's real name is not Michael Sylvester Gardenzio Stallone but Sylvester Enzio Stallone. See his official biography.

When he was a student, Stallone called himself Michael because he was ashamed of his first name which he found ridiculous. His real name is Sylvester [Gaud]enzio Stallone. I know his family history very well. Silvestro (=Sylvester) was the first name of his grandfather who arrived in New York in 1923 (from Gioia del Colle, Puglia). He had come to join his brother Gaudenzio, who arrived in New York in 1913. Stallone's middle name is Gaudenzio, shortened to Enzio because it had been wrong spelled Gardenzio. Patrub01 (talk) 17:58, 20 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm actually seeing quite a lot of reliable-looking sources (there was one from DigitalSpy, deemed reliable at WP:RSP) that are referencing an interview his mother did in the 1980s, where she apparently said she wanted to call him Tyrone, but his father put Sylvester on the birth certificate. I can't be arsed myself, but if you can get the most reliable looking sources (preferably three or four in order to counter the abundance of sources claiming it's Michael), then I think that should settle it. The search term I used in Google was "Tyrone Stallone" "Sylvester Stallone", with the quotation marks. – 2 . O . Boxing  18:56, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I just noticed I still had the website up in a different tab, so here's the DigitalSpy one . – 2 . O . Boxing  18:59, 20 January 2023 (UTC)


 * What I wrote above is not new and has already been reported by other users. See excerpts from the archived talk pages below. Patrub01 (talk) 19:07, 20 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Different names/nicknames and how he got them
 * There seems to be a lot of debate and confusion about Sylvester Stallone's name.
 * He was born Sylvester Gardenzio Stallone. His mother had wanted to name him 'Tyrone' after her favourite movie star at the time, Tyrone Power.  Whilst Jaqueline was still in the hospital after the difficult birth, his father Frank registered the birth and chose Sylvester and Gardenzio which were old family names.
 * The name 'Binky' was just a nickname his mother gave him as a child and is not on his birth certificate.
 * Sylvester always hated his name at school, and was teased mercilessly. Obvious nicknames of the day were 'Sylvester the Cat' and 'Tweety Pie', which he despised.
 * When Stallone was enrolled in College in Switzerland by his mother, he decided to avoid these hated nicknames from day one, and to everyone in college (who knew no different) he was known as 'Mike'. This was a name chosen by him to use simply to avoid being teased, and he never used it again.
 * The name 'Sly' is a kind of shortening of 'Sylvester', and from all the books I've read and interviews I've seen, it seems to have been made up by the man himself. He's referred to himself as 'Sly' from almost the beginning of his career.
 * Above all, the birth name stated on the main page is inaccurate and should be changed. Any self respecting Stallone fan, knows how he suffered at school because of his unusual name, so if he was born 'Michael', why did he get called Sylvester the Cat? AmyAAnderson (talk) 17:45, 5 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Middle name Gardenzio
 * I've always wondered if Stallone's middle name, Gardenzio, is actually Gaudenzio. First of all, Gardenzio does not exist as a given name in Italy but Gaudenzio does and, since this name was probably taken after some relative in Stallone family (just like Sylvester, from his grandfather Silvestro), I guess that is more likely his middle name. What do you think about it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.117.67.26 (talk) 01:47, 24 September 2012 (UTC)


 * And the first name Michael has been deleted many times:


 * Revision as of 02:16, 23 March 2005
 * Revision as of 17:51, 14 January 2006
 * Revision as of 13:55, 20 May 2006
 * Revision as of 12:13, 25 January 2007
 * Revision as of 11:08, 20 October 2007
 * Revision as of 23:15, 10 February 2008
 * Revision as of 07:23, 27 December 2009
 * Revision as of 11:50, 7 June 2010
 * Revision as of 08:42, 4 December 2010
 * Revision as of 20:19, 28 June 2013
 * Revision as of 09:37, 14 June 2019
 * Revision as of 19:08, 22 June 2020


 * And all that is needed now is the reliable sources in the article. Verifiability, not truth. – 2 . O . Boxing  19:36, 20 January 2023 (UTC)


 * The sources for the current article are not absolutely reliable, because:
 * - according to WP:RSP, "People" magazine should not be used for contentious claims unless supplemented with a stronger source;
 * - the book of Paul G. Roberts, which does not indicate its sources, is not a solid proof.


 * The sources I propose seem acceptable to me because:
 * - regarding Stallone's official biography, who knows his name better than Stallone himself?
 * - the FamilySearch document that I found (1950 census) is an official digitized document which WP:RSP states that it may be usable in limited situations. Patrub01 (talk) 20:44, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * There's a lot about Sly that isn't reel. For example, his sojourn in Switzerland.--Jack Upland (talk) 21:24, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * The fact the book doesn't cite any sources doesn't mean it's not reliable. I've read plenty of books that don't. Stallone's official website does not explicitly state his birth name, it gives his full name. They're not always the same. I haven't looked at the familysearch source because I don't have an account (and don't want one), but those limited situations are detailed in WP:BLPPRIMARY. The solution is to find the reliable, secondary sources that discuss his mother's interview. If the familysearch source includes his birth certificate then that can be used as the final nail, complying with the limited situations detailed in WP:BLPPRIMARY, which doesn't apply to the sources you want to use as his birth certificat doesn't (according to his mother) say "Enzio". You cant supplement a self-published source with a primary document if they dont give identical information. – 2 . O . Boxing  21:47, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I found an interview with a childhood friend of Stallone who explains that Mike (Michael) was not Stallone's first name but his nickname. Read the interview here. Patrub01 (talk) 10:50, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

There are many biographies of Stallone that claim his birth name to be Michael Sylvester Gardenzio Stallone. It is a mistake. In reality his birth name is Sylvester Gaudenzio Stallone. Michael (Mike) was his nickname when he was young.

When he was born, his mother Jackie wanted to call him Tyrone because she admired actor Tyrone Power (Source #1). But it was his father Frank who chose the first name when he declared the child to the civil status (Source #1). He named him Sylvester in memory of his father Silvestro in accordance with the Italian tradition of naming the eldest son after his grandfather (Source #2).

This first name did not please the child who preferred to be called Mike (Source #1). And his comrades who didn't know his real first name called him Mike (Source#3). During his graduate studies, he even included the first name Michael in his highschool's yearbook (Source#4).

His middle name is Gaudenzio (misspelled Gardenzio, or shortened Enzio) given to him in memory of his great-uncle Gaudenzio Stallone who was the first of the family to emigrate to New York (Source#5) and who was later joined by his brother Silvestro (Source#6). In 1930, the two brothers lived together in New York (Source#7). Patrub01 (talk) 16:21, 21 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Source 1 looks more than adequate. The DigitalSpy one I mentioned in the above thread can be added to that. Does the Familysearch source include Stallone's birth certificate? If it doesn't then it's not usable. I'll have a look and see if I can find another secondary source to add. – 2 . O . Boxing  02:11, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * If this last one can be used as a reference, then I think these three should be enough, , . However, per these sources, his middle name will have to be Gardenzio. Regardless of any deviations from the traditional spelling, if that's what's on his birth certificate (according to sources, including his mother) then that's what we put. – 2 . O . Boxing  02:26, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Birth records of living persons are not available on FamilySearch. But when you get married, you have to provide a birth certificate. I found two marriage extracts on FamilySearch. First the marriage with his first wife (December 28, 1974 in Los Angeles) where the bride and groom are designated as Sasha J. Czack and Sylvester E. Stallone (E. for Enzio) (Source#8). Secondly the marriage with his third wife (in May 1997 in Westminster-London) where the bride and groom are designated as Jennifer L. Flavin and Sylvester E. Stallone (E. for Enzio) (Source#9). I couldn't find the marriage to Brigitte Nielsen.
 * Regarding the ambiguity between Gardenzio and Gaudenzio, it is possible that the middle name was mistakenly written Gardenzio instead of Gaudenzio on the birth certificate, and that Stallone preferred to shorten it to Enzio rather than having a wrong middle name. Patrub01 (talk) 17:55, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't think we can use marriage certificates to verify a birth name. If the sources we have say Gardenzio then it will have to be that. Are there any secondary, reliable sources that discuss the misspelling? – 2 . O . Boxing  23:33, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Is it possible he changed his birth certificate on the sly?--Jack Upland (talk) 02:07, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * On the sly or even officially. And there is no reliable secondary source that discusses the misspelling.Patrub01 (talk) 09:34, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Concerning Stalonne's grandfather Silvestro Stallone, there are other sources: Source#1, Source#2, Source#3, Source#4. We can also see in the last that the middle name of Stallone is written Gaudenzio. Cordially. Patrub01 (talk) 17:27, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't dispute his grandfather's name. I know nothing about Italian naming customs but logic tells me you're correct; Stallone's first and middle names are more than likely variations of his grandfather's. The issue is the lack of sources explicitly stating it. Per WP:SYNTH, we can't combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any source. – 2 . O . Boxing  18:50, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
 * It seems to me, however, that the four sources above, as well as the two sources that you erased from the article today (Source#5 and Source#6), explicitly state the parentage between Silvestro Stallone and Sylvester Stallone. Patrub01 (talk) 20:06, 2 February 2023 (UTC)


 * What was he called in Switzerland?--Jack Upland (talk) 21:25, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Philadelphia
He was raised partly in Philadelphia where he went to High School 2601:540:C402:3F20:20D0:A668:DC5D:A455 (talk) 17:01, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Protected since 2011?
Is this actor’s page really deserving of permanent protection? Is there such a severe threat lasting decades to justify having it locked for 13 years and counting? 115.69.5.27 (talk) 14:14, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

Peacockery
Quote: “Since 2022, he has starred in the critically acclaimed television series Tulsa King for Paramount+.” — Give me a break “critically acclaimed”. The reviews are 79% on Rotten Tomatoes, which is not bad, but not “acclaimed”. It calls it a “stale comedy”. Please remove this unearned adjective “critically acclaimed”. 115.69.5.27 (talk) 13:33, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

"He is also one of the most renowned physical culture icons in history." More peacockery, without any cited source. Please delete. 27.96.195.4 (talk) 06:23, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅  — Paper9oll  (🔔 • 📝)  14:57, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2023
augut = august 2603:8000:D300:3650:B549:5A7:4953:2993 (talk) 09:57, 29 August 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ See Special:Diff/1172809223 Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:02, 29 August 2023 (UTC)