Talk:Symphony No. 4 (Ives)

This article (as of early August 2006) draws most of its information from the Charles Ives article. It may be considered plagiarism, so extensive revision is needed. A Wang (talk/contrb.) 18:04, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, Andy. If you're saying the article draws from the Wiki article on Ives, I don't think that can be considered plagiarism. At most, the duplicated info at the main Ives article should be taken out, and a link to this article provided.
 * Phrases like, "considered his most remarkable completed orchestral piece" should either be made more objective and neutral, or a source given ("considered by so & so...", with citation). Since this is one of my favorite Ives pieces (I'm surprised it didn't have an article already) I'll do what I can to help improve the article, when I get the time. --Rizzleboffin 18:23, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * A belated thanks to Rizzleboffin for contributions. A Wang (talk/contrb.) 20:48, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem, Andy, my pleasure. One thing-- I noticed the bit about the pianos being one solo and one orchestral piano, 4-hands was taken out. I thought that was a little unusual and worth mentioning in the instrumentation section. I do plan on adding more later, but I'm in the middle of a Korean movie project at the moment... Rizzleboffin 22:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Spectacularity
The full orchestration required to perform this symphony alone is truly spectacular.

I have changed this sentence. The size of the orchestra (about 75 players) is an average size for romantic scores like Tchaikowsky or Brahms and even your smaller Mahler symphony. For "spectacular" sizes try Mahlers Second, Third and Eight Symphonies, which both require an orchestra alone of about 100 players, plus large choral masses and vocal soloists. The orchestral forces are still outsized by Strawinsky's "Sacre", which requires about 120 musicians, and Schoenberg's "Gurre-Lieder", for an orchestra of about 150 players, plus soloists, three male choruses and one large mixed chorus. Havergal Brian's "Gothic" Symphony, considered the "largest" symphony of all times, calls for an orchestra of 200 musicians, plus about 800 singers.

MegA (talk • contribs) 15:51, 12 April 2007 (UTC).


 * You did not change the sentence. I changed it, following your comment. — Andy W. (talk/contrb.) 00:20, 13 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Whoops! Thanks. megA 19:57, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Do we have an article on outsized orchestras? Orchestra doesn't seem to even enumerate the personnel of a standard one. (Percussion sections have many fewer musicians than instruments). What about Wagner and Orff? (I seem recall e.g. that the 6 pianos in Antigonae were something like 2 for two hands and 4 for four hands.) --Jerzy•t 20:05, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

John "Kirpatrick"
The most authoritative source on his spelling you could hope for: the 40 feet in Yale's Music Library covered by the Register to The John Kirkpatrick Papers. BTW, this is not the folk musician John Kirkpatrick, but the one "born in New York City on 18 March 1905, [and] died in Ithaca, New York, on 8 November 1991". --Jerzy•t 19:43, 4 September 2008 (UTC)