Talk:Syncope (medicine)/Archive 1

Women fainting
Why did women faint so much in the old days? -- Unsigned


 * It's usually blamed on corsets being put on too tight and constricting the body. -- Milo

Does fainting always result in a slowing of the heart rate? Also, is there any detail about what happens in the brain or psychologically in the mind of the unconscious person? I ask because on the occasions when I have fainted I have had vivid 'dreams' even believing that I was still in bed asleep, but I was always taught that dreams did not take place without REM sleep. Is there any evidence for REM during fainting? Ammi 11:38, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Popular Culture
I removed the reference to the 2000s, because this fad is much older than that. I know it was popular in the mid 80s, and I suspect that it's much, much older than that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swillden (talk • contribs) 18:27, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Popular Culture
I changed the last line of the popular culture section back to its original meaning,(fr00gy had changed it to state the opposite) and tried to make the line about the holds used more NPoV. (there's no reason to claim that the children who created the rib cage method were "intelligent" or even to mention them at all) Shralk 05:10, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Chemical Relief
I believe there is some sort of chemical that a person can have a faint sufferer smell in order to wake. I cannot remember the name, but perhaps we should have a link to it if anyone remembers what its called.. 68.193.81.111 04:03, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


 * In the 18th & 19th Century it was fashionable to use hartshorn or a burning feather wafted under the nose to revive someone who has fainted, the idea being that the strong acrid smell will shock them awake again. (see also smelling salts} Ammi 11:20, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The chemical is ammonia. Also called smelling salts, they can revive someone on the verge of fainting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.139.187.164 (talk) 03:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Types Section
Shouldn't the "Types" section be cleaned up a little? It's hard to understand and crammed into one big paragraph- but that's just my opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.188.89 (talk) 15:18, 1 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree about the "Types" section. The version pre 14 Jan 2007 was more complete and understandable as far types are concerned.  It actually included terminology that most people might receive as a diagnosis.  The current edit probably belongs mostly in the general discussion section at the top.  Either that, or someone needs to add entries for all the old types that were listed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.219.55.246 (talk) 14:15, 12 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Sometimes whenever I run too much, I pass out. I don't only have tunnel vision but I have loss of hearing, where it sounds like I'm underwater. Should I add that or just leave it the way it is? My vision turns red with tunnel vision too. Sucks so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.133.222 (talk) 01:03, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

First aid section
I almost died when I read the "First aid" section. Someone PLEASE fix it. I would but it's late and I don't feel like losing sleep to correct somebody's grammar. I also don't know too much about first aid and I don't want to inadvertently mess something up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.232.123 (talk) 04:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Fainting
I just fainted less than half an hour ago (probably 90 degrees here, didn't have much to eat, stood up fast... I totally had it coming). About the fact that I "don't remember falling" ... are you sure I wasn't just like... numb, kind of blind, and deaf while I was falling? Because when I thought about it, it wasn't like sleeping when time flies past real fast, it was like it was black for a small amount of time, like the time it took to fall and wake up. Zaita 22:19, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I think I had the same experience too. On a hot day in Romania, nothing to drink/eat, working, I fainted and my friend carried me into the building. But I remember being picked up, so I assume I was pre-syncope at that point, I then woke up inside the building after having had water poured into my mouth. I only seemed to be semi-aware of what was going on at the time., I'd say GCS 8.  J o s h  22:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Syncope vs Vertigo
The opening paragraph lists dizziness as a leading symptom of fainting. However, the remainder of the article (except the end) correctly identifies a true fainting as a syncopal episode. While the term "dizzy" is often used by patients to describe symptoms as diverse as vertigo, lightheadedness, or disequilibrium, a good patient history discriminates among these. True "dizziness" is properly assigned to vertigo or sometimes disequilibrium, not presyncope/syncope.

Likewise, the example at the end of a patient experiencing "dizziness" followed by a loss of consciousness after hitting the ground sounds like vertigo causing head trauma secondarily. It also may confuse readers such that they believe the definition of presyncope includes secondary LOC.

I haven't edited the article itself, but I move that we 1) remove dizziness as a symptom and 2) add a section relating to syncope vs vertigo to help readers discriminate between them.

Derek Dominoe 19:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

How do i do it?
There should be a section explaining how a person can make themselves faint. For example, i want to faint so i can see what it's like because i've never fainted. So it is necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by President Elect (talk • contribs) 04:12, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Fainting intentionally is not recommended AT ALL. If you want to know what fainting feels like, just read the article. Fainting on purpose is really dangerous, and Wikipedia is not a place to tell people how to hurt themselves. You could bang your head and get brain damage, or get a cardiac arrest. If you really want to know how, search online. Or go to Choking game. Please remember though, don't do it!-- Astroview 120  mm  02:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you should. You'll kill yourself possibly. You can get a concussion or even go into a coma (aforementioned brain damage). Astroview120mm is right. It is also not necessary. I once almost fainted and wasn't quite 'conscious' for hours. I can just imagine if you actually fainted.

Also, remember to sign your posts. DarkestMoonlight (talk) 19:33, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * There is no reliable way of provoking syncope. Therefore, I would not support the inclusion of some sort of a "how-to" in the article. People who are prone to syncope for different reasons (e.g. carotid sinus hypersensitivity) are probably able to provoke them, but not the population as a whole. JFW | T@lk  20:31, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Name Change
We need to change the name of this page to syncope. --Doc James (talk) 21:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Central Ischaemic Response Merge discussion
Merge but leave Central Ischaemic Response page as a redirect and make it a clearly addressed item in Fainting. Ex nihil 12:09, 10 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Any more ideas? It's about time we actioned this one. I put the two merge discussions together. Ex nihil (talk) 08:36, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Merged as above Ex nihil (talk) 23:07, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Collapse Merge proposal
I've proposed that Collapse (medical) be merged with Fainting. What do you think? Regards, CycloneNimrod Talk? 13:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I think that is not a good idea. Not all forms of transient loss of consciousness (T-LOC) are faints. The broadest possible term is Collapse, which can be subdivided into syncope (the same as fainting), seizures, coma, etc. The article on fainting needs to consistently refer back to the Collapse article. JFW | T@lk  20:28, 11 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Rather than merge I have transcluded Collapse into Syncope under Symptoms. Ex nihil (talk) 04:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Cut and paste move fix
I've done a history merge to fix a cut and paste move from fainting to Syncope (medicine). While the history of the article is fairly straightforward, there are some overlapping edits in the talk page history, so it may seem confusing. Graham 87 12:09, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Hyperthermic Syncopia?
If someone faints during a heat wave, is it because of dehydration or other factors brought about by hyperthermia? --Arima (talk) 23:09, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Awkward disambiguator
I don't think (medicine) is a good disambiguator, but I'm not sure what to replace it with. (biology) maybe? – xeno talk 17:00, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It is a well known medical condition. One could change it to (physiology) but I think medicine is better.-- Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 22:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess it's just me being a layman then, because "Syncope (medicine)" makes me think that Syncope is a type of medicine. – xeno talk 15:36, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Medicine I felt indicated that this is a medical condition. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's just me then. Cheers, – xeno talk 14:23, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Not the same as fainting
Olshanksky and Grubb's "Syncope, Mechanisms and Management", the leading text on syncope, states on the first page of the introduction that syncope is not the same as 'fainting', though it admits that the distinction is confusing. This is clearly an important issue to resolve in this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.30.176.45 (talk) 11:14, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Editing artefact
First sentence of section 1.1: The central ischaemic response is triggered by an inadequate oxygenated blood in the brain. By an inadequate amount of oxygenated blood? By inadequately oxygenated blood?--88.73.59.120 (talk) 00:37, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Problems with "treatment" section
The "treatment" section as it now stands is confusing. The first sentence reads, "Recommended treatment involves returning blood to the brain by positioning the person on the ground, with legs slightly elevated or leaning forward and the head between the knees." It needs to be explained whether this is two entirely different methods or variations on the method where one "positions the person on the ground." It should be elucidated so that the reader is aware whose knees are in view, since the former suggestion implies a person aiding the fainter. Since I don't know what was intended by the person who added this section, I'm not comfortable editing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.79.30.55 (talk) 12:53, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * LOL. I'm not sure either, but it probably wasn't meant that you put the collapsed person's head between your knees. I read it as two alternative positions: 1. supine (lying face up) with the legs elevated, or 2. sitting, leaning forward, with bent knees and head between the knees.--88.73.59.120 (talk) 00:46, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

convulsive syncope
Syncope can be accompanied by seizure like behaviors (convulsions and eyes rolling back). This happened to my 9 yr old daughter yesterday and it lasted less than 10 seconds. Of course this was very frightening, but the E.R. doctor said that is was only syncope, (he said "fainting" or "passing out, probably caused the severe pain from her bumping her elbow/funny bone just before it happened) and not a seizure because: 1. She regained consciousness almost immediately after falling (becoming prone allowed her blood pressure to return to normal) 2. She was not groggy or "out of it" after she regained consciousness (it if were an actual seizure her brain would have needed 30-60 minutes to "reset" but she was her usual self immediately) 3. Her EKG was normal __________                Also see vasovagal response at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasovagal_syncope source:     http://www.medlink.com/medlinkcontent.aspHbmh (talk) 15:03, 28 March 2012 (UTC)