Talk:Synergetics (Haken)

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I deleted this article - it was a hoax. Synergetics is indeed a discipline invented by Herman Haken. It looks at pattern formation in dissipative systems. It is physics. As I say, the previous instantiation was a hoax, possibly computer generated.
 * (above is by User:Duracell) If you think this should be deleted, take it to WP:VFD. You should never unilaterally blank articles. jni 10:48, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

VfD
This article was the subject of a Vote for Deletion. The result was "no consensus". -- JimR 00:14, 25 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Are there any objections to removal of the Article for Deletion message from the article now? -- JimR 00:14, 25 September 2005 (UTC)


 * not from meDuracell 23:29, 26 September 2005 (UTC)


 * OK, done! -- JimR 10:29, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

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removed sentence that was a description of fullers work. Clearly the author of that sentence had not grasped that there were differing definitions hence the *disambiguation* page :) Duracell 02:55, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

(Orwellian)
I don't know if George Orwell could have predicted that the definitions of almost all words would change everywhere, but your definition of the word "Synergetics" is just too far from the truth after only 36 years. Here is where it was used for about the first time, from R. Buckminster Fuller's book Section 986.096 in 1975, 1979.

986.096 My insights regarding nature's coordinate system were greatly enhanced by two of Milton Academy's greatest teachers: Homer LeSourd in physics and William Lusk Webster Field ("Biology Bill") in biology. During the summer vacation of 1906, at 11 years of age I designed and built my first small but exciting experimental dwelling on our family's small mid-Penobscot Bay island. Living all my youthful summers on that island, with its essential boatbuilding, boat-modifying, boat-upkeep, and boat-sailing, followed by five years as a line officer in the regular U.S. Navy with some of my own smaller-craft commands, some deck-officering on large craft of the new era's advanced technology ships, together with service involving airplanes, submarines, celestial navigation, ballistics, radio, and radiotelephone; then resignation from the Navy followed by five more private- enterprise years developing a new building system, inventing and installing its production tools, managing the production of the materials, and erecting therewith 240 residences and small commercial buildings__altogether finally transformed my sustained activity into full preoccupation with my early-boyhood determination some day to comprehend and codify nature's omniintertransformative, omnidirectional, cosmic coordination system and its holistic, only-experientially-proven mathematics. In 1928, inspired and fortified by Hubble's Expanding Universe discovery, I gave the name and its symbol 4-D to my mathematical preoccupations and their progressively discovered system codifying. In 1936 I renamed my discipline "Energetic Vectorial Geometry." In 1938 I again renamed it "Energetic-synergetic Geometry," and in 1970 for verbal economy contracted that title to "Synergetics."

From Clifford J. Nelson, Jan 16, 2006

Disambiguation
The section on Fuller's Synergetics seems out of place in this article. I think it belongs in an article of its own. I suggest moving this article from its current name, "Synergetics", to "Synergetics (Haken)" and then creating a new article "Synergetics (Fuller)" for the paragraph on Fuller's concept. Finally, a "Synergetics (disambiguation)" page would route to both of these articles, and it would also have a note on the Synergetics company of Luk. The old "Synergetics" link would be redirected to this disambiguation page. So this is my plan, but I'll wait a bit and see if anyone has any problems with it. To me this seems the best and clearest way to allow both Synergetics concepts to develop as worthwhile articles. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 00:05, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I have executed this plan. The Fuller school of thought I think will develop better on its own page. The two schools of thought were different enough that it seemed awkward here. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 00:08, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

I am mainly a student of Fuller's work, and I have no idea how Haken's work and Fuller's work are related. If there is any remnant in this article which is not relevant to Haken's work (perhaps in the see also section?), please move it to the Fuller Synergetics article. I have not changed the synergetics links in the article on Hermann Haken, and I leave that to others if they think it is necessary. In addition I have no plans to change the Cybernetics template. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 18:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)