Talk:Syretsko–Pecherska line

Darnytsia extension
WRT WP:1RR I removed the extension plan once again. First of all, it is only a plan, and whilst it would be probably realised in the upcoming two decades, so far neither the actual station names have been finalised, nor their projects. For one, the evidence that is given (example) shows that the extension will continue all the way to Levoberezhnaya. Also would they really name a station after Dzerzhinsky in Kiev? That is absurd. I hope nobody minds me axing the template back to Krasny Khutor, which was to open this year, has now been delayed indefinitely because there is no need for it. All work is concentrated on the PVL and the Goloseev extension of the KKL. I mean if we are going to add the planned extensions, maybe we can change the format of the boxes to separate those that are under construction (even if it is a case of it being temporarly frozen) with those that are only planned, and building work is to begin in a few years time? --Kuban Cossack 11:54, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the source I used (http://archunion.com.ua/img/2007/05/s_05_001.jpg) claims that the segment I added will be finished by 2010. From what that diagram tells me, it seems like Chervony Khutir isn't more likely to open than other stations I added to the template. I can go to ArchUnion archives and see if I can dig up the projects that went through Kiev Rada. — Alex(U 12:00, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Akhristov, realistically, there is no way that it will happen in three years. Either there has to be a drammatical change in construction priorities, and all other projects be forgotten (which is not going to happen as the PVL and the Goloseev are top priority right now) or they will have to bring metro construction brigades from Kharkov and Dnepropetrovk, because there is simply not enough resources to mount such a project in such a short time. People who draw maps are not the same people who build the system. I agree it will be eventually built (hopefully, as we all like new stations), but right construction has not even began. I can prove to you based on evidence of construction time vs length of the stretch built (with all the details), but is there really a point? --Kuban Cossack 12:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, Wikipedia is all about sources, and not what an individual user believes. The source (which is fairly recent by the way, May 2007) claims the construction will finish by 2010, therefore we should believe it. If you have a source that says otherwise, go ahead and include it. — Alex(U 12:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * My source is which I moderate as Йети, it gets a weekely load of more than a hundred news sources, but this should be enough to suit you. The ''Дільниця від ст. "Червоний хутір" до ст. "Дарницький вокзал"; 6,2 км; 3 ст;Після 2010. --Kuban Cossack 12:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but forums aren't credible sources. My source still stands. — Alex(U 22:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Didn't notice the second link. I will take a look and let you know. — Alex(U 00:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, from what it looks like, that site is a bit out of date. According to that site, Chervony Khutir was supposed to be open already. As of right now (2007) the depo and station are under construction. As I mentioned earlier, my source is very recent (May 2007). — Alex(U 00:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly and Khutor is nowhere near opening. According to the same site the Goloseev extension will open this year, and will it? Hell no! Please, one map (even if it is printed yesterday) is not enough to justify 6.2 km in less than three years. FYI, we have three stations, thus we need apx. six sets of tunnels (more, if there would have to be reversal sidings). Now the building if the building technique is shield boring (again the actual project of the construction is, as of yet unspecified), we need to have either six shields (which Kiev does not have, as two are locked behind Syrets and another two are used for the Goloseev), which for a path of ~2 km a tunnel takes roughly a year and a half (including montage and dismantling). So where is Kiev going to get the shields from? No contracts with Lovat, Herekhent or any other TBM company as of yet? Which brigades are going to build it? All are currently working on the PVL and the Goloseev. On top of that boring tunnels is not enough, you have to build the stations themselves, the ones in question will be shallow, and it takes again two years from opening the pit, cutting the tape for a station. Again no brigades to build the stations. On top of that electrification, installation of track, decoration on the stations, signalling, security, another six months... On top of that, this rate, can only be sustained if there is constant funding. As we both know in Ukraine that is usually hardly problematic, and it is often that delays occur.
 * Still sure it will open by 2010? Well here is a bet, if the tape to the extension is cut by 23:59:59.99 31 December, 2009 then I will agree to remove all Russian from ALL Metro stations in Ukraine. If it is not cut by that time, we move all articles to their Russian translit versions and remove all Ukrainian names. If you are so confident in your source, surely the tape will be cut by that time and you have nothing to lose and will accept my bet. ;) --Kuban Cossack 16:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think Wikipedia accepts bets. And the MedCom will be finished way before 2010, I don't wanna wait that long to win a bet. — Alex(U 03:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Look at it this way, if I was to comment on it myself, I don't think the stations will be built that soon either. But Wikipedia abides by sources, might as well leave them in there since mentioning a few extra planned stations doesn't hurt. — Alex(U 03:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

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