Talk:Téa Delgado

Popularity
I haven't yet read the entire article carefully, but so far I see that it twice states of Téa that "She became one of the most popular characters in soap opera history" (in the lead pgh and here). In a quick look at the sources cited, I didn't see that grand statement backed up. If I'm incorrect, it'd be great if someone could point out the material which inspired this sentence so I can figure a way to better cite it. Otherwise, it should be rewritten/toned down to better reflect the apparent fact that the character was "popular" but not necessarily top-10.&mdash; TAnthonyTalk 23:21, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

I totally agree. I have tried to find anything to back this up, but not a thing. Erica Kane, Victoria Lord, Laura Spencer; those seem to be the "most" popular females mentioned from each of the current ABC soaps. Corn 96.239.97.131 (talk) 10:48, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * LOL. I got a little carried away with stating that she "became one of the most popular characters in soap opera history." I meant to state that, in general, she became a popular character or that she became one of this show's most popular characters, which are two statements backed up by several articles I've cited in this article. Flyer22 (talk) 00:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've tweaked it. Flyer22 (talk) 01:07, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Just to explain my having put Téa as one of the most popular characters in soap opera history (though that's now tweaked), that had to do with my not seeing how that is exactly a stretch. She was/is a popular soap opera character (was really popular in 1998 to 2000, mostly for her romance with Todd), thus I really did not see the error in putting her as one of the most popular characters in soap opera history.


 * That said, I know that Wikipedia is more about sourcing statements like that to exact statements in which say such. And now that I really think about it, I see how "one of the most popular characters in soap opera history" can signal a "top 10" vibe. Téa's romance with Todd, however, was exactly and often stated as one of soap opera's most popular, hottest, or romantic couples (which is backed up by several articles within this article), which is a statement I have retained in the lead. Flyer22 (talk) 01:49, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Too many adjectives.
Its obvious that who ever wrote this article is a big fan of the actress. There are too many adjectives used to describe her. It doesn't matter that the claims are backed up by sources like soap opera magazines. It still sounds biased. Real encyclopedias don't say things like ""one of the most popular characters in soap opera history" ect.--65.1.220.130 (talk) 19:52, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I was more so a big fan of the character's romance with Todd Manning, LOL (I am still a fan of the classic version of this couple). But I would not say that anything in the Impact section is biased. It is not like this couple was unpopular, except by some die-hard fans of rival couple Todd Manning and Blair Cramer. This encyclopedia, which is a real encyclopedia, does say things such as "one of the most popular characters in soap opera history" when backed up by valid sources. That is what makes Wikipedia great. Just as the lead of the Todd Manning article is perfectly valid in stating that Todd is considered one of soap opera's breakout characters. Due to the first section on this talk page by a different IP address some time ago, however, this article no longer says that Téa is one of the most popular characters in soap opera history; it rather says that she became one of One Life to Live's most popular characters, which is true, is something that I feel is valid wording...and is something a real encyclopedia would say.


 * In any case, any suggestions you have for some of the wording in this article, I would be open to listening to. Flyer22 (talk) 10:06, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Soap Opera Central not above copying Wikipedia
"Téa painfully realizes that Todd is still in love with Blair when she sees that he has kept a picture of her, though having earlier sworn that he was through with that part of his life. Though hurt by this realization, Téa gives her blessing for Todd to romantically reunite with Blair."

"Téa and Ross are later rescued."

This wording is most definitely mine, and yet it is in Soap Opera Central's biography of Téa Delgado, with the exception of being in past tense. I am not angered by it or anything like that; after all, I sometimes borrow plot information from there and reword it (and it is not like both articles are a complete or significant copy of each other); I am only pointing out that some parts of fictional character biographies that may look as though they were copied from Soap Opera Central may have actually been copied from Wikipedia. Back when I created this article, and checked Soap Opera Central's character biography for Téa, it did not even acknowledge that Todd and Téa had sex together for the first time on that deserted island.

Of course...if any Wikipedia fictional character article is a complete word-for-word copy of a Soap Opera Central character biography, the information was most likely copied from there (not here). Flyer22 (talk) 05:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Flyer, there's proof that SoapCentral copied you. While trying to see if SoapCentral plagiarizing Wikipedia has been discussed anywhere here before, by using "Search," I located this discussion. I researched this issue by using the Wayback Machine, and this is what I found. Look at this text:


 * The Téa Wikipedia article had it first. It was created on July 22, 2008. On July 4, 2008, SoapCentral's looked like this and it was still that way on December 19, 2008. So it's easy to see that SoapCentral copied Wikipedia. There is a discussion about this at User talk:Moonriddengirl. And Gh87 added it to Copyright problems/2011 October 26. 85.195.138.27 (talk) 08:12, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, IP. Confirmed for others what I already knew, that's for sure. Flyer22 (talk) 00:57, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

The actors names in parenthesis
I'm reading over the article, and it is very conspicuous to me how every time a character is mentioned, the actors name appear in parenthesis. I think it's a bit manic, repetitious and unnecessary. Take for instance these exerts from the article:

Physical abuse takes place in one instance when Todd is on the run from the police and proceeds to kidnap Téa; he punches her out when she implies that he will rape her as he had done to Marty Saybrooke (Susan Haskell) years earlier; Téa later knocks Todd out with a shovel to escape

When legal eagle Téa Delgado (Lozano) first sets foot in Llanview as one of its fiestiest lawyers, it is due to a woman named Carlotta Vega (Patricia Mauceri) having asked her to come help defend Antonio Vega (Kamar de los Reyes). Antonio — Carlotta's son — has been charged with the murder of Carlo Hesser (Thom Christopher), and Carlotta is naturally set on doing anything and everything to save her son from prison. Téa helps clear Antonio of charges, meanwhile engaging in an intimate relationship with Kevin Buchanan (then portrayed by Timothy Gibbs). She soon sets out to gain a job alongside Nora Buchanan (Hillary B. Smith). Nora declines to hire Téa. Téa, however, is determined to show Nora her law skills, even going so far as to seek Antonio's previous murder conviction be overturned. Téa succeeds in her goal of overturning Antonio's murder convinction, and it is not long before Todd Manning (Howarth) notices her, seeing the asset in having her work for him. He hires Téa to defend Alex Olanov (Tonja Walker), and Téa is able to get Alex off without any prison time. Todd is further intrigued by Téa, just as Téa's romantic relationship with Kevin is about to end. Subsequently, she moves into an apartment with Rachel Gannon (then portrayed by Sandra P. Grant).

Téa returns on December 5, 2008 to visit Todd (now portrayed by Trevor St. John), who is incarcerated due to imprisoning an amnesic Marty for months.

The article is describing the character history. Unless it's a quote from the actors themselves, continually referring to the actors who plays these characters distracts from the flow of the description, and looks rather tacky. I say we remove the actors names and keep it focus squarely on the characters. — The Real One Returns 01:09, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The Real One Returns, the actors names are in parentheses within the Storyline section (otherwise known as the Plot section) because that is how Wikipedia wants it, per How to write a plot summary. Yes, I know that is not a guideline...and is rather an essay...but Wikipedians familiar with the "ideal" type of plot summary typically follow it. I did not like this type of formatting at first either (in the same way that I did not at first like relaying the plot of articles in present tense), but now it just seems right to me (though I still need to do that to some other articles). This was and may still be common with film articles here at Wikipedia. However, as examples, I see that The Dark Knight (film) and Transformers (film) articles do not do this. Perhaps because the actors names are listed in the Cast sections? Yeah, I am sure that is it. But we do not have Cast sections in character articles. The good thing about this is...we only link the actors' names once in the Plot section, and thus is not that big of a deal. But again, I get your point. Flyer22 (talk) 11:55, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Edit request from Sommore2k3, 20 August 2011
she is currently married to Victor Lord Jr, not Todd Manning. So that also makes her last name Lord.

Sommore2k3 (talk) 00:45, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Actually, in the eyes of the law she married someone with the name Todd Manning. When you marry someone your name does not automatically change, you take your partners name if you so wish. She took Manning, not Lord - her name doesn't suddenly change in the eyes of the law. She's credited as Delgado Manning anyway, as it's a work of fiction, we go by what that fictional work is telling us. So it doesn't make her last name Lord, does it. Rain the One  BAM 03:36, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Not done. No source provided, see WP:V.  Sandstein   21:31, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I just read this section now. Earlier yesterday (after this discussion), I did remove "Manning" because she didn't truly marry Todd Manning. Their marriage is invalid. But I did not add "Lord," and the reason I didn't is a combination of what the Raintheone and I stated. Flyer22 (talk) 20:53, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Definition of WP:EDITWARRING
5 albert square, I wouldn't call this edit "edit warring." Of course there are going to be reverts at any given Wikipedia article. If Nk3play2 had reverted Raintheone in turn, then I'd consider that an edit war. Flyer22 (talk) 20:57, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, but when I've got to select a reason for locking the article, edit warring was the closest I could get :)--5 albert square (talk) 20:59, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * LOL! I don't feel you had to fully lock the article again, though. Nk3play2 cluttered the infobox with unneeded details, sure, but he was also correcting things since Téa is not married to Todd Manning after all. I just wanted to point out that there is going to continue to be reverting at this article, just as there will be at any Wikipedia article, but that it's not all edit warring. Flyer22 (talk) 21:07, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * It needs full protection if editors like Nk3play are around. I'm shocked they haven't added Tea's favourite food to the infobox. Rain the One  BAM 23:10, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah I've actually changed my mind again now I've had the chance to look a lot further into peoples edits and I've put it back to full protection - again.--5 albert square (talk) 23:48, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Nk3play2 is still learning and listening, though, Raintheone, like I told you on my talk page when discussing him last week or so. He's not like the others who never listen and just continue to edit war or sockpuppet. He used to be, but has seemed to change for the better. And, again, though, he did clutter the infobox, he corrected some things as well. I see that you explained to him about the clutter. I think he wouldn't have cluttered it again, but would have added back his edits that were merely correct things. Flyer22 (talk) 02:43, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Can someone categorize Téa under Category:Lord family since her and her daughter is a part of said family, and I can't put it on myself. Jester66 (talk) 20:51, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Infobox image
As per the edit summary, there needs to be a discussion over whose image to use in the infobox. I like Musicfreak7676's image rather than Flyer22. It is of higher quality and represents the character better because she possesses that sophistaced personality and it is better suited for understanding who the character of Tea Delgado is. I say return MF's image.Casanova88 (talk) 14:36, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * And I am for the longer-standing image because I fail to see how Musicfreak's is of better quality. Not only do I not recognize any enhanced quality that the picture may have, if there is one, I judge picture quality on overall presentation. In my opinion, she looks better in the image I returned the article to. Flyer22 (talk) 05:56, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe that Musicfreak7676's image best represents the character. It is less about how one's own perception of the image and more about how the character is truly being represented and the newer image illustrates the character of Tea Delgado through her sophistication and cultural value which is often developed into her stories. Casanova88 (talk) 18:39, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You say that "It is less about how one's own perception of the image," but all of what you just stated is personal perception of the image. Flyer22 (talk) 19:12, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Besides, Musicfreak7676 has stated that he doesn't care too much about the issue anymore. Flyer22 (talk) 19:17, 23 May 2012 (UTC)