Talk:Tōhoku region

Accent
I've heard that the Tohoku accent is quite strong, so much so that I was warned against traveling there as a novice student of the language. I couldn't tell anything unusual about their speech patterns, but can anyone else confirm or elaborate on this? --Feitclub 05:25, Nov 1, 2004 (UTC)


 * The most notable trait is a habit of turning all "s" and "sh" into "z" (ie. voicing them), hence the Japanese nickname z&#363;z&#363;-ben. Not very common among younger folk in NHK-ized Japan, but zome older folkz ztill zound like thiz. Jpatokal 09:37, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Yeah. A few other traits:  "shi" and "su" sound the same as well, generally like either "su" or "zu," depending on whether the person also has the "zu-zu" trait.  Also sometimes a trait for the vowels "i" and "e" to sound the same, especially when short.  Compare that to the US Southern Accent, where "pen" and "pin" famously sound the same.


 * Also see Japanese dialects Fg2 00:23, 17 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I asure you as a fellow student studying in Japan, the dialect is of no problem, never had any problem hearing what they was saying and never any z sounds where unappropiate as far as I could hear. Lord Metroid 20:32, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I've seen television news shows display subtitles when interviewing people who are speaking in the regional accent. I take this as an indication that the broadcaster expects many people in their audience to have difficulty understanding some speakers. Fg2 20:58, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * As a Tōhoku gaijin, I can't make a judgement here (a person never thinks that those around him an accent–it is only those people from other places); but, if saying we have an accent will keep people from moving up and further crowding up the place, then I'm all for it. Tōhoku-ben is impossible to understand.  And, we have bears too.  :-)  - Neier 21:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Now, now. The accent is really only that bad among older people (in tsugaru, for instance). Granted, it is kinda funny to hear old ladies refer to themselves as ore, but all in all, the dialect isn't all that bad. I've spent my first three months ever in Japan in Sendai, also as then a novice student, and it doesn't reflect bad on my Japanase. I hope :)
 * It is a great place though. I may be biased because my first Japanese expiriences are linked to Tohoku, but I still think it's a great region, all in all. I've traveled there a number of times. Great people, not too crowded... ... ... Actually, yeah, Neier's right. The accent is terrible, there are bears and, and... And well, don't go there :) TomorrowTime 17:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't help but to notice big negative comments toward a language other than the standart japanese dialect here, on an encyclopedia. It's not any more «bad» than any other language or dialect, be it an official one written in your learning book. Plan to go somewhere wanting to communicate? Learning the language/dialect spoken there will help. But hey, if you want to ignore a big chunk of the culture -yes, a dialect is a part of culture- where you visit, it's your call. By the way, even in schools teachers felt Tohoku-ben was distant enough from Japaneese they needed to ashame studends that spoke it like they did for other languages. (In Ryukyu islands for example.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_dialects#Suppression Today this is regarded as linguicide, part of cultural genocide : making other's culture and language die out by repressing it and promoting an other culture and language to replace it. So please, a little respect for Tohoku-ben while it still exists. Correjon (talk) 05:20, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I've heard the same thing, and about the Kagoshima dialect, but didn't have any trouble when I visited either place. I am told that conscientious and courteous people who meet out-of-towners, especially gaijin, make a sincere attempt to slow down and/or use more standardized Japanese. Boneyard90 (talk) 17:31, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Page name
It seems that I nearly made a royal mess of things, due to a newbie mistake in September of moving Tohoku region to Tōhoku Region. The R should be an r, and halfway through redirecting the articles that point here this week, I remembered that little fact. Compounding it with putting a macron in the title when they are not agreed on yet, I think it is best to put this page back at Tohoku region where it was, before it got in the way of my bumbling around learning the ropes. (Of the other regions, only Kantō has the macron title. Chubu, Kyushu, etc do not.)  Fixing the double redirects now, and I'll wait a few days for comments before moving everything to point to Tohoku region in case anyone really feels strongly that it should be Tōhoku region instead. Neier 01:46, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Scratching out the last comment, as macrons are now proliferating. Neier 21:47, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Michinoku
These two sentences were removed from the article: This can be restored with verifying support. --Tenmei (talk) 00:29, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) The area is also known as Michinoku (みちのく).
 * 2) Michinoku only includes Fukushima, Aomori, Iwate, and Miyagi.


 * The first is a statement of the obvious, but see eg. and .  The second needs qualification: Fukushima, Aomori, Iwate and Miyagi compose Mutsu, but Michinoku can refer to Mutsu alone or Mutsu and Dewa. Jpatokal (talk) 10:26, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Oi! Please explain this deletion of yours.  Is anything I added factually inaccurate, or what are your grounds for removing it? Jpatokal (talk) 06:10, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Also, see ja:陸奥国 and ja:みちのく. Jpatokal (talk) 06:13, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Copied from User talk:Tenmei#Tōhoku region

I suggest you talk a little more and delete a little less: Talk:Tōhoku region Jpatokal (talk) 06:15, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * We have no conflict. My contributions to the subject of the Michinoku only supplement the framework you established, e.g., compare Michinoku region and note that Michinoku has been added here to the Template:Regions and administrative divisions of Japan. Nothing has been deleted. In fact, on closer inspection, it becomes clear that this is a good example of collaborative editing.


 * YOUR inline cites here
 * http://202.231.40.34/jpub/pdf/jr/IJ0102.pdf


 * MY tweaked format
 * 1. Hanihara, Kazuro. "Emishi, Ezo and Ainu: An Anthropological Perspective," Japan Review, 1990, 1:37 (PDF p. 3).


 * http://ir.library.tohoku.ac.jp/re/handle/10097/45116


 * 2. Itakura, Katsutaka. "On the Structure of Economy and Society in Tohoku," Science Reports of Tohoku University, Vol. 32, Issue: 2 (December 1982), pp. 71-87.


 * http://www.pacificislandtravel.com/asia/japan/about_destin/tohoku.html


 * 3. Pacific Island Travel, Tohoku + Kim, Yung-Hee. (1994).


 * If you believe that what is written about Michinoku in the Tohoku article needs to be fuller than my edit here, fine. I defer to your good judgment. --Tenmei (talk) 10:51, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Ah, sorry, I missed the link to Michinoku region, my apologies. I've changed the Michinoku redirect notice there as well, as the link already points there. Jpatokal (talk) 11:10, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

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