Talk:Tōsha Meishō

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Now that the template has been added to the top, without any references for it, I'll assume the article is misnamed according to our naming conventions. Gene Nygaard (talk) 22:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * We really need to formally incorporate into our naming conventions exceptions for art-names and iemoto system names. I've asked on at least one occasion that an exception be made for kabuki actors (here's a similar past discussion for sumo wrestlers), but I don't think it was ever formalized in the WP:MOS-JA guidelines. Should we make this a formal discussion on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles)? LordAmeth (talk) 02:25, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh--so it isn't a family name as your template says? So why did you put it there? We need to fix it anyway. Gene Nygaard (talk) 04:13, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It serves the function of a family name, in the sense that he is Tōsha-san or Tōsha-sensei, not Meishō-san; in the sense that he shares the name Tōsha, not the name Meishō, with others of the lineage/school. But not in the sense that it should be considered a regular ordinary name like Tanaka.. I see your point. But we do need to establish formal allowance of exceptions for this kind of thing in the guidelines. That's my stand. LordAmeth (talk) 16:10, 7 January 2009 (UTC)