Talk:T. Russell Shields

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Added references. Sanpitch (talk) 04:53, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

SEI Edits
Undid un-sourced edits that appear emotionally-motivated. Sanpitch (talk) 03:58, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Wow, you sure? It was at SEI that I first noticed a strange confusion. Good sentence structure and logic were "emotion" whereas brutality was reason. You had reason if you had money and insulted people in meetings. SEI pioneered the Way of the Yuppie Dick, and we're living with the mess made by people like Shields, who confused reason with the inability to connect. Fortunately, we now have #OccupyWallStreet.

I won't fight an edit war with you, but you might take a look at Martha Nussbaum's book, Upheavals of Thought. She points out that emotion and reason are not distinct, because an emotion is the product of cognition. If you have a bellyache a change only in the fact of the pain changes the pain, tautologically. Where if you have sadness because a parent has apparently died, the sadness changes to joy when you learn you were mistaken.

The banking crisis and today's depression were caused by the "reasonable" focus on profit at all costs and an utter inability to connect emotionally with real needs. This caused software systems to become absurdly over-elaborate in parallel to the securitization of loans, a process facilitated by software that nobody actually understood.


 * 1) OccupyWikipedia!

Edward G. Nilges Hong Kong — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.218.232.17 (talk) 16:29, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Edward, the 'unsourced' part of your edits was just as much of a problem as that you were using Wikipedia as a venue for a personal discourse on SEI. Please remove the personal content, find a reputable source for the rest, and I'll be happy to support you.  Sanpitch (talk) 03:48, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I am your reputable source, and I resent very much any implication that I'm acting out of resentment, save in this sentence, where I am indeed. This is because Russell's SEI crashed and burned thirty years ago. I got over the shock of his behavior (which does not in logic imply that any criticism is sour grapes except in criminal logic). I went on to work for a Silicon Valley firm that refused to engage his services and later assisted Nash ("A Beautiful Mind") in Princeton. Later I published a book ("Build Your Own .Net Language and Compiler", Apress 2004) which in some measure described what I'd discovered while meeting SEI challenges; that formal computer science tools matter.


 * I examined very carefully where I'd been wrong and was completely silent on SEI's trashing of my life although I spoke to equally dissatisfied ex-employees.


 * In understand very well that Wikipedia policies categorize my input as "original research", although to classify personal experience as "original research" is one of those clumsy bureaucratic errors on the order of referring to liaisons in the office as "fraternization": it is strange and sad that Wikipedians insist on replicating the worst features of the administered world as a hobby.


 * But these policies reflect Wikipedian's origin as a white male (and, to some measure, high-caste Hindu) adventure reflective of white male and caste views, in which there's a sharp separation between "emotion" and "logic", and an original, written document such as this or my contribution is under a dull universal suspicion because nobody can even understand being victimized...that would be to undeny one's victimization.


 * What it means is that the Wikipedia world-picture is one in which all victimization is justified. And had the Maceing of protestors not been reported in the New York Times, after I and others brought it repeatedly to their attention, this would not have appeared in Wikipedia.


 * I suggest that in the absence of sources, personal experience be accepted as oral history. Otherwise, Wikipedia will be history written by the winners, more precisely losers sucking up to Wales and the rest of the winners. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.218.81.6 (talk) 18:07, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Was in fact what happened. Unfortunately, when people who don't count are victimized as many people were at SEI by people who don't count much (like Russ) it's never documented except here. I realize that this is "original research" although that is an inappropriate name for "painful personal experience" but wikipedia is biased from the start and by this towards a white male view of reality. Sucks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.218.232.17 (talk) 04:30, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Edward, I have a couple of suggestions: 1) get a wikipedia account, 2) find a source (newspaper, book, etc...) that expresses your point or get a newspaper or blog to publish your own words. After you've done this, please cite the source in the article. Sanpitch (talk) 03:46, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

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