Talk:TI-Nspire series/Archive 1

Links
Is there any information that isn't on the TI website that's on the ticalcs thread? Allynfolksjr 05:33, 23 August 2006 (UTC).

Information
I think the information on hardware of handheld could be verified on the TI web. So I did the edit. Rockvee 16:56, 3 September 2006 (UTC).

Prototyp
Hi, my Schol calls gets on Monday those calculators as prototypes, as far as I know we don't have an NDA with TI so how could I help expanding this Artickle except of taking a Picture ;)

(We don't get the Linkcable und the Software yet)

--Pentiumforever 22:09, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

"Dynamically linked" applications
"The TI-Nspire CAS has the capability to display dynamically linked applications."

Is "dynamically linked" actually the term used by TI? If it's not the official term, could we call it something else, because "dynamically linked application" has a specific technical meaning which is different to how it's used here, so the terminology as used in the article is confusing. Jibjibjib 06:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Processor
Anyone know what processor it uses? The box from other articles has it under m68k but I can't find anything to back that up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.205.76.44 (talk • contribs)


 * The TI website seems to imply that its CAS is an improved version of the TI-89 Titanium's, so I think it's likely that it uses the 68k CPU. Jibjibjib 06:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually it doesn't. The CPU is a lot faster than the 68k calcs, and a comment here suggests it's an ARM. Jibjibjib 06:53, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Requested move I
From TI-Nspire CAS to TI-Nspire 16:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Survey

 * Add  # Support   or   # Oppose   on a new line in the appropriate section followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~ .  Please remember that this survey is not a vote, and please provide an explanation for your recommendation.

Survey - in support of the move

 * 1) Support Armando82 16:18, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Support Gesslein 16:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Support TI-Nspire is the product line, TI-Nspire CAS is a specific model. Allynfolksjr 21:43, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Move done
The move has now been accomplished. DES (talk) 19:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

What was the advertisement heading added for?
There was no justification at all given for marking it as such. The entire article is made up of a series of NPOV desciptions of the calculator from a variety of reliable sources- there is no opinions given as to whether you should buy the product or not. In addition, there is criticism section at the bottom of an article- I doubt a real advertisement would have one!

If you want more in-depth details about what the calculator can do, you're going to have to let experts with the calculator be their own source. Until then, and unless you can think of something better to put in it's place, this article should not be marked for deletion. I removed the heading because of this. 206.66.218.140 (talk) 20:38, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Price
What are the prices of the two?

-KevinJi9 (talk) 01:10, 20 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've added some info for you, but I can't give exact prices, just what TI says. Dragon 280 (talk) 18:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

More technical details needed
Can you give more exact technical details about the TI-Nspire? Dragon 280 (talk) 15:49, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Nspire CAS+
I saw a few references to an "Nspire CAS+" model on the web in a few places, including photos, but nothing about them on TI's website. So I dropped them an email. Here's the convo:

My message: TI's website describes the Nspire and the Nspire CAS, however I have seen for sale in various places the "Nspire CAS+" which the Nspire CAS, but with a slightly different colour scheme, more buttons, and a clickwheell in the middle of the circular pad.

There is no information about the product elsewhere on the Internet (even TI's own website), I was wondering if you could inform me of the differences between the Nspire CAS and the Nspire CAS+

Thanks

Their reply: Thank you for contacting Texas Instruments.

The TI-Nspire Cas+ is a prototype model, it was given to selected individuals and schools as part of an evaluation process by Texas Instruments. The TI-Nspire CAS+ prototype utilized a preproduction operating system and software, as such it does not contain complete functionality or utility. Any representation that a prototype unit is identical to production units or that it can be upgraded to use production versions of the operating system or software is false.

Kind regards,

Lander De Schepper

Texas Instruments European Customer Service Center Education Technology

Is it worth mentioning on the article page? W3bbo (talk) 22:03, 10 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Upon further research, it turns out the "Nspire CAS+" was a working name for the CAS's prototype. Upon reaching the final revision they ditched the "+" from the name. Source: http://www.datamath.org/Graphing/NSpire_CAS.htm W3bbo (talk) 00:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw TI-Nspire CAS on the Texas Instruments website, so the information in the article regarding not buying the TI-Nspire CAS is outdated. -- Tyw7, formerly Troop350     (Talk  ●  Contributions) 10:21, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Update required July 2008
TI-Nspire Operating System 1.4 was released on 9 July 2008 and the article needs updating to reflect this (I can't do it as I use a Casio). Strayan (talk) 02:51, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Issues, bugs, and criticism
This section (issues, bugs, and criticism) should be re-worded to 1) make more sense, i.e. read better and 2) show less of a bias e.g. "The first 'real' programming capabilities yet". The reference to the update page will be no good after another update is released; they discard former changes from the change list. What can be done about this? I looked and could not find a dedicated change-log page. M. Miller (talk) 01:27, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, I corrected the statement of an included "fully-working emulator," seeing as the emulator included in this series of calculators has no support for undocumented z80 commands, many of which are used in 3rd party programs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.70.247.178 (talk) 23:14, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Good Images
There are some nice images of some of the new TI-Nspire Touchpad calculators on this website. http://tibank.forumactif.com/actualites-f25/ti-nspire-noire-oui-nouvelle-gamme-t5187.htm I'm new to Wikipedia, should I replace the TI-Nspire CAS with Touchpad image with the one? http://www.schoolmart.com/images/products/detail/TINSP2CAS.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tjrana0 (talk • contribs) 04:38, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

-TJ (talk) 04:39, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Needs attention from an expert
Is it time to remove the "expert-subject" template from this article? It's been there for two years. What specifically needs to be addressed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by NOrbeck (talk • contribs) 08:54, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Bulleted list under Nspire CAS
The formatting for this article is inconsistent: under Nspire CAS is a bulleted list of all the "new" software features of the calculator, while the standard Nspire section only briefly mentions the general additions. What I wonder is: MathMaven (talk) 20:16, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Is this necessary?
 * 2) Should not both the sections be consistently formatted?

Bad programming link
Under the tinspire programming language, it links a user to TI-BASIC. TI-BASIC and tinspire-Biasic are two completely different things. TInpsire basic is much more limited than ti-basic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.167.241.91 (talk) 21:19, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Split
Should someone make a separate article for the upcoming CX series? --javier032 (talk) 21:48, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

So far there's:


 * 1) TI-81 (1990)
 * 2) TI-82 (1993)
 * 3) TI-83 (1996)
 * 4) TI-83 Plus (1999)
 * 5) TI-84 Plus (2004)
 * 6) TI-Nspire with clickpad (2007)
 * 7) TI-Nsprie with touchpad (2010)

The next member of this sequence should come out in 2013, but it's only 2011. What Internet site has revealed the next member?? Georgia guy (talk) 14:20, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Another thought: what does CX stand for?? I checked the dis-ambiguation page CX and can't find what meaning is for this calculator. Georgia guy (talk) 14:43, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
 * The Nspire with Touchpad was not a completely new calculator - it was just a minor improvement of the Nspire, just like the 83+SE was only a minor improvement of the 83+. The CX is the "next member". JosJuice (talk) 11:56, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Since all TI-Nspire models will be using the same version firmware I don't think a split is meaningful. Tonypdmtr (talk) 09:28, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Had just put out an order for a TI-NSpire CAS CX model.... will update after I receive the calculator. Most probably I would suggest a split since the CX series seems so different. Ivanling92 (talk) 05:41, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

I agree that someone should make a separate article for the upcoming CX series as they are different generations of TI's Iantolee (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:16, 22 April 2011 (UTC).

I don't think there should be a separate page for the CX and CX CAS. They run nearly identical software to the Nspire/Nspire CAS. The only real difference is the color screen, the "thin" redesign of the calculator, and the removal of the 84+ emulator. The Nspire CAS is almost more different from the Nspire than the Nspire CX is! Also, the computer software is the same for both the Nspire and Nspire CX as far as I know. JosJuice (talk) 14:44, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, a new article should be made. They work differently from the regular Nspires. Darthalex314 (talk) 17:16, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
 * In what way are they different? The differences that I can see are the color screen and the improved math features in OS 3. However, OS 3 with all of these new features is also available for the original Nspire, making the color screen the only thing that's exclusive to the CX (other than the new Navigator system that honestly don't know anything about). JosJuice (talk) 11:56, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

The CX calculators also have different hardware specs. They actually have 128MB flash memory (only 100 is user accessible), and 64MB RAM. The CPU may be faster, but no one is sure yet. Fb39ca4 (talk) 19:04, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Infoboxes
There are many infoboxes on this page, and right now they're taking up so much space that they're longer than the article itself, which makes the layout look bad. How should we solve this? The infoboxes do have a purpose, so I don't think that we should remove them. JosJuice (talk) 08:49, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Image placement
The images are placed in a very awkward way. The infoboxes force them to appear in specific locations, which looks ugly unless things are perfectly aligned, but if they are aligned, the layout will break when a different screen resolution is used, or even if text is added or removed. How should this be solved? The only solution that I can think of is removing infoboxes or images. JosJuice (talk) 09:20, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Wikia wiki
Does Wikia have a wiki that talks about TI graphing calculators?? Georgia guy (talk) 21:55, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think so. There are some non-Wikia wikis about calculators, but most of them are about a specific area of programming, not graphing calculators in general. JosJuice (talk) 07:20, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Requested move II

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 14:20, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

TI-Nspire → TI-Nspire seires – This article is about 6 different models of TI graphing calculators; the TI-Nspire with clickpad, the TI-Nspire with touchpad, the TI-Nspire CX, and the same models with a CAS. Georgia guy (talk) 19:18, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I support the move, as long as the new page's title is TI-Nspire series and not TI-Nspire seires. JosJuice (talk) 07:33, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * That was just a typo. Georgia guy (talk) 12:52, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Precision of 14
Define a precision of 14 as the infobox in this article suggests. Georgia guy (talk) 14:36, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * 14 decimal digits carried in calculations, although not necessarily that many displayed.  IOW, ((10**13+10**0)-10**13) should be computable (and result in an answer of 1) without loosing any precision due to rounding, while ((10**14+10**0)-10**14) should round to zero.  Note that if the device is implemented with binary floating point, the number of decimal digits would be a minimum, and slightly more precision (less than a full additional decimal digit) would actually exist, which might allow the 10**14 case to actually be computable without rounding error (but not all numbers of that length).  Rwessel (talk) 19:20, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps later TI graphing calculators might have higher precision. Further up this talk page is the technological sequence of TI graphing calculators; the first 7 are mentioned above; the eighth is the TI-NSpire CX. (The TI-83 Plus Silver Edition is not a member of this sequence because this sequence is technological; the TI-84 Plus takes its technology directly from the TI-83 Plus, not via the TI-83 Plus Silver Edition.) And for your info, ** is your way of writing ^ for exponentiation. Georgia guy (talk) 20:31, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. There are seven or eight infoboxes for the different models of calculator on this page, all of which specify 14 digit precision.  Are you saying the one/some/all of them are incorrect?  That there's an infobox missing?  And what's the issue with ** for exponentiation?  It's very common (and should be obvious in this context in any event).  Rwessel (talk) 20:48, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I said that the list can be found further up this talk page. Please note that the list starts with the TI-81 and includes high school models ONLY. TI-NUM models with NUM 85 or higher and TI-NSpire variants that have CAS are college models and are not part of the sequence. Georgia guy (talk) 20:55, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * But what's that got to do with the precision stated in the infoboxes? And the TI-81 isn't mentioned in the article at all, except in the list of Z-80 based graphing calculators by TI (which is of limited relevance, since all the Npires are ARM based).  Rwessel (talk) 21:20, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It is related to your above comment with 3 colons before it. It says that there are 7-8 models of calculators on this page. But according to the rule, only 3 of these models are part of the sequence I'm talking about. When I say later TI graphing calculators, I mean TI graphing calculators released after the TI-Nspire CX. Georgia guy (talk) 21:31, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


 * What rule? Honestly, I’m trying, but I have no idea what point your trying to make.  This started as a discussion of the precision reported in the infobox(es).  Where we are now I have no idea.   Is there an issue in the article you’re trying to address?  Perhaps you could start from scratch, since this thread is beyond confused.  Rwessel (talk) 03:04, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The question I'm asking is: Is it possible that later models of TI graphing calculators (models that have not yet been released as of 2011, but might be released in the 2015-2020 interval) might have precision higher than 14 digits?? Georgia guy (talk) 13:24, 18 November 2011 (UTC)


 * As Yogi Berra said, predictions are tough, especially about the future. It's certainly possible, although changing the size of one of the basic types might lead to some software incompatibilities, although most of those would likely be minor.  Technically doing so is trivial.  14 digits is what they may be getting from standard IEEE doubles (not quite 16 decimal digits, and gives than a digit to hide a few ULPs of error), which, depending on which ARM they're using, may have hardware support, and a bigger type may require a slower software implementation.  Of course if they're not using binary floats, and are, as is common on calculators, using a software implementation of decimal float, that doesn't apply, and the only slow-down would be the increased work to do arithmetic on the larger numbers.  OTOH, most ordinary calculations are fine with 14 digits, so there may not be much motivation.   Rwessel (talk) 19:41, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

QWERTY keyboards
"Because the TI-Nspire lacks a QWERTY keyboard, it is acceptable for use on the PSAT, SAT, SAT II, ACT, AP, and IB Exams." This sentence makes no sense since none of them have QWERTY keyboards. What's the source? --Ysangkok (talk) 20:46, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The keyword is lack. It means to be without. Georgia guy (talk) 21:05, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Why is it in the section for that specific model then? Should be outside so that you know it applies to all of them. --Ysangkok (talk) 23:46, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

CPU
The CPU frequency is 132MHz and AHB is 66MHz by default on the CX/CX CAS. Source: http://www.omnimaga.org/index.php?topic=16796.0 (Test it on your CX/CX CAS (requires Ndless) and you will find it out) Wk333 (talk) 15:01, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Ndless
I think that I may add a section about Ndless in the article. Ndless is a jailbreak that allows the native programs to run on the TI-Nspire. This is notable because TI has actively tried to stop Ndless. In fact, one of the most important reasons for constant OS updates is to thwart exploits by Ndless. Any ideas where the best place to add a section on Ndless is? It will probably only be a few sentences. Piguy101 (talk) 19:21, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

clickpad button broken in image?
The theta button on the ti-nspire clickpad is sideways... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.61.67.253 (talk) 05:26, 16 April 2016 (UTC)