Talk:TLC (group)/Archive 2

Best-selling?
There is a link on this page to the List of best selling music artists page, but TLC is nowhere to be found on the list. I imagine they should be somewhere around the 50 million or 75 million albums sold marker, but I have no idea where to find a source. And to clear up the issue earlier with Destiny's Child, TLC, and the Spice Girls, Destiny's Child has not sold over 100 million records even with the combined sales of the solo albums U.S Sales(17.5 for destinys child,(Worldwide Sales of 14 million) now if u add the singles That a combined 31.5 million world wide-add the solo projects-kelly rowland-3 million worldwide,michelle-1.4 mill worldwide,beyonce-13.2 mill worldwide now u do the math plz????=49.2 million world wide combined no how did kelly get a hundred even beyonce is saying there combined sales is around 50 million worldwide but were talking about group sales not solo TLC has them beat by 22 million records selling 53 million records without solo project.Destiny's Child Stands At almost 32 million when it come to there groups sales now america we have a winner and TLC is the winner

Which is a contradiction, as Beyonce's website states that her career sales (which include DC and her solo CD) are only at 50 million.

That is all marketing talk, knowing the difficulty to prove sales "outside" the US. That's why the figures don't add up. Here is the top selling artists link showing that TLC has 22 million and Destiny's child has sold 17.5 million. http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?resultpage=1&table=tblTopArt&action= RIAA only provides the net( sales minus returns) sales of albums. To bump up numbers you can always add the singles and mixes. However, unless you are selling to the Beatles' (170m) or Garth Brooks' (116m) crowd, you are not cracking 100 million.

do a little math TLC-Ooooooooooo On The TLC Tip-(u.s)4.3 million(WW)4.6 million Destiny's Child-Destiny's Child-(u.s)900,000(WW)2million TLC-CrazySexyCool-(u.s)11.2million(WW)5.3 million Destiny's Child_The Writings On The Wall(u.s)6.2 million,(WW)6 million TLC-Fanmail-(u.s)6.5 million,(WW)5 million Destinys'Child-Survivor-3.8 million (WW)6 million TLC-3D(u.s)1 million(WW)3.million Destinys Child-Destinys Fullfilled-(u.s)2.7(WW(4.2 million Destinys Child-8 Days Of Christmas(u.s)500,000(WW)600,000 Destinys Child-#1's(u.s)1.1 million (WW)358,000

Filmography
Movie appearances? I think i recenly saw them in the "House Party 3" movie, from the 1990's, and im sure they have made many other Cameo appearances in other films... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.116.18.154 (talk) 03:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Disbanded
The group has never officially disbanded, so they are still an active group. Until they either disband or disappear into thin air, they "are" a group and are still "active". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikieditor01 (talk • contribs) 06:56, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Stop writing that they broke up in '05.They said they're not breaking up. Marexl (talk) 19:21, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

In any case "TLC *is* a group consisting of T-Boz, Chilli, and Left-Eye is incorrect and needs to be changed. Hrhadam (talk) 18:58, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

2nd Nature redirect
There was a 90s R&B quartet named 2nd nature. I want to start the article on them, but "2nd Nature" redirects to TLC, since that was their name a while back. What do I do? (Reply at my talk page, por favor) Mr. Old-Skool (talk) 17:13, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Record Sales Controversy.. AGAIN!
I was recently lookin at TLC's record sales. I actually think they are the best selling girl group of all time. I read these of their page.

''Oooooooooohh...On The TLC Tip-6 Million ''CrazySexyCool-19 Million (worldwide) FanMail-8 Million 3-D- 10 Million Now and Forever : The Hits- 1 Million Crazy Sexy Hits : The Very Best of TLC - 2 Million'' CrazySexyCool14 (talk) 01:50, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Semi-protection
How do you Semi-protect this? There one of the greatest groups of all time —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay2009m (talk • contribs) 07:56, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Photo
not one photo in the article. That's a bit bland... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.101.79.25 (talk) 11:02, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Lopes and current line up
If you wish to take issue with the current line up and Lopes' inclusion please discuss the questions here instead of edit warring. The questions have been raised before (see above). Some strong current sources might help. Span (talk) 18:25, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * While I agree that edit warring is not the answer (I reverted before I saw this...oops), I think if this is an issue, the user who keeps adding Lopes as a current member should post here to explain their rationale for changing the content because Lopes has been listed as a former member for quite some time without any (recent) grumblings from the peanut gallery. IMO, Lopes is no longer a current member of the group because she's deceased. She may very well be in the group in spirit (according to her group members), but the group is still seemingly going without her thus making her a "former member". While the WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument ain't a great one, I looked at other articles where members of groups/bands died while still in the group/band and the group/band kept on going. In those cases, the deceased member is listed as "former". See Alice in Chains, Kiss, Metallica, INXS, Queen, and Boston just to name a few.  Pinkadelica ♣  22:06, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

MTV claim for TLC status
I was the one, who edited that " TLC is considered as the second best selling girl group of all, behind the magnificent britain girls "Spice Girls".. according from this sources, http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1683858/left-eye-tlc-death.jhtml.

This sources is so highly reliable... from MTV Networks.... and was remove after three days, i included on the article....

i understand the reasons.... because i have try to find the reliable sources for the black girls, for claim at least 55 million.... more than 50 million claim from BBC for Destiny's Child record sales.... and that's why, is still difficult to claim TLC is the second behind Spice Girls.... because their sales still below the 50 MILLION claim...

what do you think "I"... 39.214.9.71 (talk) 11:24, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Lopes as current member
In an effort to finally form a consensus about this issue, I would like additional input on how to categorize Lisa Lopes as a group member. For quite a while now, Lopes has been listed as a "former member" as she is deceased and obviously cannot be an active member of the group. Two IPs have recently changed this with the reasoning that even though Lopes is deceased, she is still a part of the group. I find this illogical - she may be in the group in spirit but since TLC has continued to perform as a duo, I don't think she is technically part of the group anymore. As I stated in another comment when the issue came up before, I checked other band/group articles where a band member died and the group carried on. The deceased band member is listed as "former member".  Pinkadelica ♣  22:17, 9 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Your Third Opinion request has been removed because the Third Opinion project, like all content dispute resolution, requires that the matter be discussed on the article talk page before asking for help. Regards, TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 15:08, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The documentation and discussion at Template:Infobox musical artist clearly indicate that all non-active members are to be listed under "Former Members". Indeed, if a band is defunct all previous members go there, even the ones in the last line-up. See discussion mainly here and here which conclude that "(deceased)" should never be used in that infobox: deceased members go into the former member box without any annotation. One IP editor pointed out that there are other articles where "(deceased)" is used in the current member box; if that's the case, it's not done right there and ought to be changed in those articles, not here. Regards, TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 18:37, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Lopes died before the album 3D and she was still on that album and if tlc did bring out a new album left eye would been on that. And when TLC do tours the always have Lopes on big screens and things like that she is still very much a part of the group thats why t-boz and chilli never replaced her TLC for a reason. Also Kurt Cobain is listed as a member on Nirvana's page if Lopes is classed as a past member then so should Kurt Cobain.
 * All the members of Nirvana are listed as members because the band ceased making music and touring after Cobain's death. It would make no sense to list them all as former members as the band is effectively over. TLC has continued as a duo - without Lopes. Even though she wasn't replaced, she still can't actively participate in concerts, albums, etc. That has been the point all along. One can't very well be an active part in something if one is dead. Further, I think the discussions that TransporterMan linked to support the current version of the article and how it has been up until recently.  Pinkadelica ♣  20:41, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that 94.15.8.226‎ has taken the liberty of rolling back to their preferred version yet again. 94.15.8.226 - I started this discussion so you and your buddy would stop with this edit warring and actually discuss this issue. If you want to keep rolling back edits despite opposition, I'll have the article protected. Let the discussion play out and let a consensus about this matter be reached. Enough of this nonsense already.  Pinkadelica ♣  20:45, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * And let me note that the Nirvana setup was put in place by consensus at a time when the infobox documentation allowed an exception to be made by consensus. That exception was removed from the documentation pursuant to the results of a November, 2011, RFC which decided that the members of defunct groups should always be listed as former members. In light of the prior rule, the situation in the Nirvana article is arguably grandfathered in, but in this article Lopes was at that time listed as a former member so no argument can be made for similar grandfathering in this case. Let me say to the IP editor: The fact that the group still lists Lopes as a current member can, with reliable sourcing, certainly be mentioned in the body of the article, but not in the infobox. It is a nice gesture for the band to continue to honor Lopes' memory and influence in that way, but this is an encyclopedia and we need to report verifiable facts; it is a fact that they honor her in that manner, but it is not a fact that she is still actually a member (unless the zombie apocalypse has occurred and I missed it). Regards, TransporterMan  ( TALK ) 21:10, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Since the IP user(s) have failed to participate in the discussion here, I went ahead and changed the infobox back per TransporterMan's rationale and stated policy/guideline. If the IP(s) want to challenge this, (s)he needs to come here to gain some sort of consensus instead of edit warring and/or simply reverting to their preferred version.  Pinkadelica ♣  21:37, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

TLC All Time Status
MTV Networks, has been officially declared Spice Girls and TLC as the best selling female group of all time... http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1683858/left-eye-tlc-death.jhtml...

This claimed is highly reliable and also supported by their certification sales around the world, which is stand above any other girl group, including Destiny's Child.

look the certification of Spice Girls and TLC.... best-selling... more than Destiny's Child.

so please, lock the article to prevent any vandalism from Destiny's Child freak fans, who so much crazy to make their idol as the number one selling girl group, which is absolutely sh1t!.... thank you...39.208.38.82 (talk) 05:06, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Now that they've turned down their deal with Epic Records
Are they still going to record a soundtrack album? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aja675 (talk • contribs) 05:32, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Official consensus to list Left Eye as "Current Member" or "Past Member" in infobox
I am starting this section due to a rather, troublesome issue and repeat discussion regarding this article. Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes has been deceased for over a decade. However, when I ran across this article, I noticed that Left Eye was listed in the infobox as a "Current Member" of the group. I looked through the history of this article's talk page to see if there was some sort of official consensus relating to this, but was unable to find any definitive consensus stating that Left Eye should be listed as a current member. Without further ado, I'll get to the chase, so to speak. I propose that this talk section be used to form a consensus on whether or not Left Eye should be listed as a "Current member" or a "Past member" of the group. Since the proper method to have Left Eye listed per Template:Infobox musical artist states that in this case, Left Eye should be listed as a "Past Member," I'll present this with the "Support/Oppose" voting scheme in this manner:

"Support" - Left Eye should be listed as a "Past member" "Oppose" - Left Eye should be listed as a "Current member"

After a good amount of time, this discussion should be closed, and per consensus of either decision, the FAQ template should be used at the top of this talk page to state the results of this discussion. This way, the clear consensus regarding Left Eye can finally be set. Steel1943 (talk) 02:11, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  ''. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons.

Support

 * 1) Support. Left Eye should be listed as a "Past Member" per Template:Infobox musical artist. Steel1943  (talk) 02:12, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) Support per Template:Infobox musical artist. Oda Mari (talk) 08:35, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) Support - Left Eye should be listed as a "Past member" (per Template:Infobox musical artist and every other article with a deceased member if the band/group carried on).  Pinkadelica ♣  18:32, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) Support. Technically, if she's dead, she's no longer a member.  If more detail or explanation is required, then the article can expand on it, but the infobox should adhere to policy. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 05:36, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * 5) Support. She's a past member, per policy.  The article makes clear what happened so readers will not be lost on the details. Eidolonic (talk) 13:11, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
 * 6) Support, but I'll point out that this isn't a question of policy (local consensus can vary on how this situation is treated), but rather common sense. At Nirvana for example, Kurt, Dave, and Krist are listed in the "Current Member" section as the consensus at that talk page determined that was the best way to denote the 3 primary band members, to separate them from the early and fleeting associations.  Here, however, there has only ever been 3 members, one of whom has passed.  I don't know anything about the band's current status, but if reliable sources...or the artists themselves...describe the band as defunct or on hiatus, then all 3 should be put into the "past" section.  It is also advisable to avoid using the parenthetical "deceased" regardless of where her listing winds up.  Address that in the body of the article. Tarc (talk) 22:53, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Oppose. She should be listed neither as a "past member" nor as a "current member," but as a "member," which is what it currently says.  At least until the two person version of the group actually releases recorded music beyond one song for a tribute album. john k (talk) 04:59, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment. The issue with this proposal is that Template:Infobox musical artist doesn't have a "members" parameter. This discussion is solely for the parameters in the infobox, with those only two options/parameters being "Past members" or "Current members." Steel1943  (talk) 05:47, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 *  (additional comment)  ...After looking at the parameters, the "Current members" parameter shows up as "Members" in the infobox ... So, that would list Left Eye in the "Members" section of the infobox, but it would also list T-Boz and Chilli in the same section. Steel1943  (talk) 05:51, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Oppose. She should be listed as a current member (deceased) because her vocals are still used in almost every TLC live performance since her death, and the group has yet to release an album on which she does not appear. The surviving group members have been quoted as saying that she is still a big part of the group despite her death, and until substantial music is produced without her being featured she should remain a current member.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.124.129.186 (talk) 17:18, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:


 * If any member is listed, they should all be listed in Past members, I think that TLC no longer exists and every member should be listed in the same group, such description should follow examples such as The Supremes and Danity Kane. Eduemoni↑talk↓ </b> 01:10, 9 April 2013 (UTC)