Talk:TL Forsberg

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Someone did not check: There are five sources to verify who she is. Try googling both "TL Forsberg" (what she goes by professionally) and "T.L. Forsberg" (which is how she is sometimes listed in the media). Discpad (talk) 13:10, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I have now put this for WP:BLPPROD as an article created after 10th March 2010 as all WP:BLP's since then without citing any source are subject to deletion through the WP:PROD process upon creation. The WP:BLPPROD process allows time for relevant reliable sources to be added to the article. I should have done it when reviewing the article but made an oversight. I have searched for both terms you state and I can’t find a source that immediately appears to be reliable per WP:RS, that doesn’t mean there isn’t one just that I didn’t find anything obvious to me. If sources are added then the WP:PROD can be removed.-- wintonian talk   edits  13:23, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I suggest you read more carefully, as IMDB is a verifiable source. In addition, I added the New York Times article on See What I'm Saying, where Miss Forsberg is cited for her performance in that film.
 * If you have a look at WP:BLPPROD, you'll see that you need at least one citation, supporting a fact in the article. You don't currently have this, but it shouldn't be too dificult given the external links you have, but I have to warn you, I really don't see any notability of this actress, and doubt it would pass an AfD.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 14:06, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately I disagree according to WP:USERG & WP:IMDB the Internet Movie Database is not a reliable Source. Also there still does not seem to be anything 'referenced' you seem to be adding links to the external links section which is separate. Referencing adds a footnote to the statement you want to reference like where someone lives or where they were born, this then takes you to the bottom of the page where you can see where the information came from, at the moment I see the information but I have no idea which link (or indeed any) I am supposed to follow to see where the information came from. More about citing sources is available here: WP:CITE. If you need any help you can ask at WP:NUH -- wintonian talk   edits  14:09, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Facebook as an EL
Hey. We even have a link for this. WP:FACEBOOK explains that facebook should not be used as an external link unless the person has no other web presence. In this case, she does, and so facebook should not be included. Also, have a look at WP:EL, I think you're going well overboard on the number of external links compared to the size of the article, it should be around 2-3 at most. WormTT  · &#32;(talk) 15:00, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * TL maintains two pages on Facebook: Her personal page which requires login; and her Official Page, which does not. She uses this as her Internet presence for her acting and singing.Discpad (talk) 15:23, 31 May 2011 (UTC)
 * That’s looking quite good now just pick out the important external links, expand (continuing to reference) if you can, if you can’t that’s ok as well. -- wintonian talk  15:27, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * She also has an "official page" not on facebook which means that she has sufficient web presence that including a facebook page is not encyclopedic. As I said, there seems to be a significant excess of External links here. More importantly though, I'm pretty sure she doesn't pass the general notability guidelines, specifically the ones for entertainers, she's been in 9 things, with only 2 vaguely significant roles. Has she won any awards, made any significant contribution to the field?  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 15:28, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Discpad, can you please wait until there's some agreement before returning an external link that two editors have disagreed over? There's a structure to dispute resolution on Wikipedia, which starts with bold, revert, discuss. You're fine to go ahead with bold additions to articles, but if there is someone who's not happy with the edit you've made you should try to discuss it rather than edit warring. WormTT  · &#32;(talk) 15:33, 31 May 2011 (UTC)


 * @Worm: I know Miss Forsberg, and her body of work. If you would like to meet her, send a Facebook friend request, as she is very nice.


 * Discpad, please stop adding the facebook link and removing the notability tag. Please expand upon the article to include more details about TL Forsberg, Hilari Scarl, Robert DeMayo and See What I'm Saying: A Deaf Entertainers Documentary.  One or two sentence articles just doesn't cut it.  The documentary could really use some details on what happens in the movie, what reception it received and any awards that it might have received.  Is TL Forsberg a singer?  If so, please add what bands she has been with and any albums she may have put out.  Is she a model?  What/who/where?  Bgwhite (talk) 05:45, 4 June 2011 (UTC)


 * @Bgwhite: Watch See What I'm Saying: A Deaf Entertainers Documentary; and then go to the See What I'm Saying official website to see the awards it has won. Obviously, you need education in Deaf Culture films, it explains your lack of knowledge of her notoriety. Also, watching See What I'm Saying will answer your question as to TL's singing career.

Please stop making personal attacks Active Banana    (bananaphone  03:52, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
 * See also WP:ELOFFICIAL even if there are multple official sites, we should only link to the main site. See also WP:NOTADVERT we are not here to promote the web presence / career of anyone. Active Banana    (bananaphone  03:57, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Discpad, I think you took it the wrong way. What I'm trying to say is... the awards it has won should be on the Wikipedia page.  There's nothing on the page to tell me anything about movie.  I know TL was in a band and toured, but there is nothing on the wiki page that tells me that either.  Please fill out the articles with more information.  A random person will really know nothing about the movie or any of its subjects by look at the wiki pages.  As Active Banana has said, wiki is not here to promote, but to inform.  I really believe the movie article should stay if filled out with more info.  Add more info to TL's article and the notability tag could be removed. I'm begging for more info to be put on the wiki pages. Bgwhite (talk) 06:27, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Same problem with other articles
There appears to be the same problem with other articles User:Discpad has recently created. Hilari Scarl Robert DeMayo and See What I'm Saying: A Deaf Entertainers Documentary. I think the movie article can be salvaged with some more references and atleast saying something about the documentary. The image of the movie poster and of TL Forsberg looks to be a copyright violation. Oi. There are other things about Forsberg that can be added to hopefully make her notable. For example, she has a band Kriya that released an album (self-published?). Bgwhite (talk) 07:41, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Confirmed the copyvio, and requested proper permissiosn for the image of Forsberg. Will try to keep an eye on things.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:21, 1 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Fixed -- Using photos per Hilari Scarl from See What I'm Saying: The Deaf Entertainers Documentary -- Official Press Kit.Discpad (talk) 03:02, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I've replied to this on your talk page, but we are unable to use press images unless they have been released under the correct license. You're running the risk of falling foul of our copyright rules and getting yourself banned from wikipedia.  WormTT   &middot; &#32;(talk) 08:40, 9 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Added Images per Hilari Scarl; see Ticket #2011060910001816 for copyright release Discpad (talk) 02:39, 11 June 2011 (UTC)