Talk:TNA Television Championship/Archive 1

Title status
Question:

Are we going to consider the Legends Title as an official TNA belt or does it fall into the "vanity title" class with the Million $ Belt or the FTW Title?

TNA doesn't include it in their championship history page or their champions roll call on the roster page.

Vjmlhds October 26, 2008 17:52 (UTC)


 * It is not an official championship. TNA has not claimed ownership. If they pull an OVW then yes.-- Will C  18:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * You are stubburn Will. TNAwrestling.com even has the Legends Title on their website and they say it's the newest TNA championship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 70.68.62.37 (talk) 22:02, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not stubborn it is the way it is handled. If I recall WWE did the samething with the Million dollar belt. If it stays after the vet vs young blood storyline then it can be considered a official championship since TNA will continue to use it under the TNMA name, i e pulling an OVW.-- Will C  22:27, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it's a real title: http://www.tnawrestling.com/content/blogsection/5/37/ 70.68.62.37 (talk) 23:58, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a real title until they drop it, which they probably will given how much attention they don't give it. They don't even mention it, hell, rarely show it. TonyFreakinAlmeida (talk) 21:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Mick Foley
Why don't you put Mick Foley as the current TNA Legends Champion? He won it the july 22--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * We wait till it airs for spoiler reasons.-- Will C  17:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Really? OK. But And the regin duration? Nash have more than 4 days, but after, he will have only 4 days. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:23, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * When the article is updated after the August 6 episode of Impact! airs, Nash's reign will end on July 22 at 3 or 4 days, while Foley's will be at 15 to 16 days.-- Will C  17:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

The TNA Global Championship
"The TNA Global Championship, formerly known as TNA Legends Championship" I think the first part of this article should be changed to not mention The TNA Global championship name. You have no source to show that TNA has changed the name of the title. Eric young may refer to the belt as that but at this moment TNA still refers to it as the legends title. Of all the sources you can have or get there is no more reliable source than TNA in this situation and currently on there website eric young is listed as the legends champ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Serialjoepsycho (talk • contribs) 05:50, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Tna's website has changed the name of the Legends title on their website. http://www.tnawrestling.com/content/blogsection/5/37/Serialjoepsycho (talk) 12:18, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Anyone think we should change it all up now?Serialjoepsycho (talk) 13:01, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The only thing left to do is mention a note in the table.-- Will C  19:52, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

According to www.tnawrestling.com and their "champion's row", it list the title as the Global championship now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.80.158.112 (talk) 03:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC) \

Separate page
Since the TNA Global Championship will be getting a brand new, re-designed belt, do you think we should setup a separate page rather than linking it with the TNA Legends Championship, since they are two separate titles. Eric Young himself even declared that the TNA Legends Title is "dead" and that the TNA Global Title is "born." Being born does not indicate a continuation off another being, it's a separate entity, which means the TNA Global Title would be a separate championship of its own, with Eric Young being the first champion. 142.232.124.50 (talk) 17:49, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That is more like POV and OR. It is safe to say it is a continuation. The title was renamed. Plus no one knows it will get a new design.-- Will C  20:55, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

This is easy
One thing we are forgetting, and this is what makes the argument easy.

The Legends/Global Title is TNA's property, and if they now want to call it the Global Championship, then that is their call, and that's what we have to go by.

It's their belt and if they want to change the name, then we have to respect it.

Vjmlhds 14:11, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

perhaps there needs to be a new GA review
With all the controversy perhaps it needs oneSerialjoepsycho (talk) 00:09, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No it is stable enough. Just a name change, that is what happens to articles; new events become known or new events occur with a subject. It passes all the criteria at the moment.-- Will C  03:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Article move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was no consensus. Skomorokh  07:59, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

TNA Legends Championship → TNA Global Championship — Relisted. kotra (talk) 19:29, 8 December 2009 (UTC) Is there any reason this hasn't been moved to TNA Global Championship yet? It's obviously the name TNA is officially going with. Jeff Silvers (talk) 15:33, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Because it is too soon, and the common name of the championship at this point is still The TNA Legends Championship.-- Will C  15:56, 21 November 2009 (UTC)\
 * As you yourself said, Will, recently on the TNA talk page: "TNA have clearly tried to show as much as they can that the title has been renamed. Even having Nash take the title and say it is no longer the Legends Title, that it is dead, and now it is just the Global Title. It doesn't matter what WCW did, this is today and TNA. TNA have renamed it, so we reflect that, not try to see future events." Time to move it. --208.38.59.163 (talk) 18:35, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I said it was the new named, but not the common name. Not too soon to show within the article, but it is too soon to rename the article.-- Will C  20:10, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You're predicting future events- that they'll change the name of the title again. With the TNA webpage & Nash saying it's no longer the Legends title, it's not reasonable to say it's going to stop being called the Global title any time soon. --208.38.59.163 (talk) 21:31, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I never tried to predict a future event. I am going by WP:COMMONNAME. The common name at this moment is the TNA Legends Championship, not the TNA Global Championship.-- Will C  23:43, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It's odd you would site that source given the following language in the very same guideline:

"Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. We do not know what terms will be used in the future, but only what is and has been in use, and will therefore be familiar to our readers. However common sense can be applied – if an organization changes its name, it is often reasonable to assume that sources will be switching to the new name. It is not necessary to give weight to sources which are known to be out of date." -- TRTX T / C 04:15, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Closing note: after I closed this I noticed that most of the discussion had taken place within the last few hours and so may still be active. If there are any illuminating comments to be made within the next day or so that may change the result of the discussion, please feel free to revert my close and continue as normal. Apologies for any interruption. -kotra (talk) 01:22, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should undo that, since people are going to see that it's closed and figure the topic's over and may miss your note. Will- what makes you think that's the common name? Most people would call it the WWF Championship rather than the WWE Championship, but we call it by it's name.  The company is calling it at every level the Global championship, so that's its name. --208.38.59.163 (talk) 18:41, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd have to agree there. Championships aren't usually listed at their most common names, but at their CURRENT names. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 18:43, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Relisted since discussion is ongoing, per my prior comment. -kotra (talk) 19:29, 8 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose for now. Besides the fact it's not the common name, it's not known if this name will be kept after Eric Young loses it. When Lance Storm won the WCW United States Championship, he "renamed" it the "WCW Canadian Championship" and even WCW called it that. After Storm lost the title, WCW pretended that was never the name. It's very possible TNA will do the same thing (go back to calling it the TNA Legends Championship when Young loses it).  TJ   Spyke   21:22, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if it's not "common". If Britney Spears came out tomorrow and declared she has legally changed her name to "Poopypants McGee" we would be obligated to switch over references as soon as proof was available. Wikipedia is not a place for speculation.  If TNA officially recognizes the belt under its new name, we must comply by that until they demonstrate otherwise. -- TRTX T / C 04:04, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I should add that I redid the original move. The burden of proof should be on any reason to move it back when even the company itself refers to the title by the name (and has done so now since October).  When an article says one thing in the body, it sends an odd message of inconsistency when the article is the only thing still holding onto the old language. -- TRTX T / C 04:15, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Rob Terry
Dixie Carter announced on her Twitter account that "Big" Rob Terry had won the Global Championship on the overseas tour. I'm not sure how we cite a Twitter listing or if we wait for another reliable source to report it. However, a picture was included.  HAZardousMATT toxic 21:54, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Name
Tna calls the legend's championship the Global championship now. If anyone disagrees then look at the homepagelook for tna world title histories. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.53.17.158 (talk) 21:23, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's acknowledged in the lead. (I took the liberty of splitting this from the Rob Terry section above).  HAZardousMATT toxic 21:59, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Edits because of rebranding
In the design section, should it not be noted that where it once said Legends there's now a label on top saying Global? I know the picture doesn't state that, but I'm pretty sure some reports of the show when it first changed will confirm that. Also, I think it should be noted that when Young held the title, he only defended it against foreign nationals or outside of the States. But I thought especially the later thing might split opinions so I'd raise it here. Tony2Times (talk) 11:07, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * As for the Young thing, it already says that. As for the design thing, if a source can be found then yeah. TNA has a picture of the belt online that shows it says Global now. That may be enough.-- Will C  09:29, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Renamed yet again
As of July 29th, the title will be referred to as the Television Title.202.236.44.90 (talk) 06:28, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Page Move
I suggest we move the page to the correct name of the championship now to: TNA World Television Championship. Vermon CaTaffy 8 (talk) 21:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No source.-- Will C  22:43, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Source

''. AJ Styles took the mic and said his title wasn’t a Global Title, but rather a TV Title. He said he would defend the TV Title in every country first by defending it against Rob Terry. ''Neoyamaneko (talk) 08:27, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If they change the name on TV would that then constitute a page move? Vermon CaTaffy 8 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:59, 28 July 2010 (UTC).

It's officially been changed on television. Not moving the article would be ridiculous. Vodello (talk) Ok on TNA's official site it does have it listed as the Television Title now.http://www.tnawrestling.com/roster/superstar-roster 70.15.191.119 (talk) 00:48, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Good, as for Lords of Pain, that is regraded as an unreliable source on here. Even though the title was changed on tv, probably should have waited to move it in case the name is only momentary.-- Will C  04:09, 2 August 2010 (UTC)