Talk:TOG2

Misleading image!
Misleading image! with a very small person placed near by it gives wrong impression of tank real size. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.65.221.100 (talk) 20:41, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

Tog 2 Top Speed
Andy Hills' Tog 2 book suggests that Tog 2 had a theoretical top speed of 15 Miles Per hour, this is not beyond the scope of being believable, since the Maus, with a Power/Weight ratio of 6.4, reached speeds of 12 MP/H, and the Churchill Mk 7, which had a Power to Weight ratio of 8.6, also had a top speed of around 10-15 MPH.
 * TOG had no suspension (TOG 2 had almost no suspension) and they had less than half the engine power. 15 mph is supposition, not least because we can start saying "the TOG with multiple Meteors and Christie suspension went even faster" on much the same basis. When it was tried, it did 8. No more. Andy Dingley (talk) 15:34, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Tog 2 Hull Armor thickness.
The frontal plate is supposed to be 76 mm thick, 114 mm was just for the turret. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flammedice (talk • contribs) 13:50, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Initial Gun
Wasnt the initial gun fitted the QF 3.7-inch (94mm) rather than the QF 3 Inch (76.2mm), QF 3 Inch was obsolete and had been out of production for 20 years and the QF 17pdr (76.2mm) wouldnt be invented for another two years. WatcherZero (talk) 08:43, 24 July 2022 (UTC)


 * Well, the 3-inch guns were available and were fitted to the Churchill Gun Carrier design in early 1942. Design work on the 17-pdr was more or less complete by 1941 and production started in 1942. The Challenger turret was developed by late 1942. GraemeLeggett (talk) 09:31, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Someone took a measuring tape to TOG II at Bovington. It's 94mm not a 17pdr. Article is wrong. 2A00:23C6:6591:ED01:8CA6:6F1D:2659:4AF7 (talk) 14:33, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The article is oversimplifying. TOG II was either fitter or planned to be fitted with various weapons systems. Photos show it being fitted with something far smaller than its current gun (could be a wooden mockup though). Coombs, Benjamin (2011) British tank production, 1934-1945 mentions the QF 3 Inch as being specified when enquiries about 50 being produced were made in June 1941 (page 68). The 28 pounder it appears to be currently equipped with probably came a bit later when there Special Vehicle Development Committee seem to have been left to do there own thing. This is really where we need Andrew Hills's book. Unfortunately last I checked he had failed to deposit a copy with the British library so getting access to it is tricky.©Geni (talk) 16:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

17 pounder misconception
In the article it states that the Tog is equipped with a turret for a 17 pounder gun, however the TOG 2 in Bovington is carrying a 28 pounder gun. Angelthewolf uwu (talk) 07:08, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
 * We need a reliable source - more reliable than chat on Reddit or Warthunder etc forums. GraemeLeggett (talk) 11:28, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Main Armament
We need more sources to what the TOG II had during its hectic life. Reply if you find a valid source/ reliable facts. Please not that the info box has the right gun listed because it is specifically mentioning that it's the TOG II*. Any previous guns should be listed in a new subsection of main armament variants. 17 pounder, Self-Propelled, Achilles (talk) 14:55, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The sign at the tank museum now describes it as a 17-pounder breach and muzzle brake with a QF 3.7-inch barrel between the two.©Geni (talk) 15:20, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

TOG 2(R) vs TOG II* confusing
The article text indicates the TOG 2(R) had torsion bar suspension, but was never implemented. TOG II* is mentioned in the article, but not explained, the source this uses seems to indicate that the 17pdr gun makes it a TOG II*. The infobox confuses matters further, at it shows the torsion bar as being a TOG II* feature. (Hohum @ ) 14:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)