Talk:Taiwan Open

Major reorganization Taiwan Open and Taipei Open
Nowhere does it say Ladies in any of these.
 * WTA tournaments under "Taipei WTA Ladies Open", listed in WTA archive
 * 1986: Taipei Women's Championship
 * 1987: Taipei Women's Championship
 * 1988: Taipei Women's Championship
 * 1989: Taipei Women's Championship (Taipei International Women's Tennis Championships)
 * 1992: Taiwan Open (P&G Taiwan Women's Open)
 * 1993: Taiwan Open (P&G Taiwan Women's Open)
 * 1994: Taiwan Open (P&G Taiwan Women's Open)


 * WTA tournaments under "Taipei Open" article
 * 2007 $50,000 Taoyuan / OEC Cup Taiwan Ladies Open - not listed in WTA archive
 * 2008 OEC Taipei Ladies Open - not listed in WTA archive
 * 2009 OEC Taipei Ladies Open - not listed in WTA archive
 * 2010 OEC Taipei Ladies Open - not listed in WTA archive
 * 2011 OEC Taipei Ladies Open - not listed in WTA archive
 * 2012 OEC Taipei WTA Ladies Open - listed as 125k in Archive
 * 2013 OEC Taipei WTA Ladies Open / OEC Taipei WTA Challenger - listed in Archive
 * 2014 OEC TAIPEI WTA 125K SERIES / OEC Taipei WTA Challenger - listed in Archive
 * 2015 OEC TAIPEI WTA 125K SERIES / OEC Taipei WTA Challenger - listed in Archive


 * WTA tournaments under WTA Taiwan Open article (2016)
 * 2016 Taiwan Open - listed in Archive

So how should the articles be organized? OEC ones can stay together, but should Taipei WTA Ladies Open be split up and renamed to Taiwan Open 1992-1994 and Taipei Women's Championship 1986-1989? It shouldn't be kept at Ladies Open which refers to the OEC-sponsored tournament held at Taipei Arena. Should the 1980s and 1990s ones be called Taiwan Open (Taipei tennis) or Taiwan Open (1990s tennis)? The 2016 Kaoshiung-based tournament is the only Taiwan Open one that has a clear WTA label on it even though the others are part of the WTA; should WTA Taiwan Open stay as the title or should it be called Taiwan Open (Kaohsiung tennis). The OEC one can be called Taipei WTA Challenger and redirect Taipei Ladies Open. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:39, 31 May 2016 (UTC) updated 00:56, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Another wrench to this is that the newest Taiwan Open will move to Taipei in 2017 and that OEC has not announced the event for 2016 yet. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:42, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * You have to take several things into account. For an individual year, we can use the tournament name for that year. So no troubles yearly. For the entire history of the tournament the name usually takes compromises. Often we use the most common non-sponsored name used by the press/tournament/sportswebsites. Sometimes we can't use those because golf or cricket or table tennis also use the name. Sometimes there is a separate men's event with the same or similar name. So we look for another common name. What the WTA or ATP use in their archives is not always correct. Numerous times we find older newspapers that contradict the WTA and ATP. The one should not be split in my opinion since tournaments get renamed all the time. Plus it's defunct and easy enough to find now. It ongoing events with similar names that can cause some trouble. We know about the move to Taipei... it was originally called Taiwan Open (Kaohsiung) but since it's moving we changed it to its current title. Fyunck(click) (talk) 02:53, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * In that case we can just leave the two later articles as is and need to pick a name for the 1980s/1990s article. For 1986, it's Taipei Women's Championship for the 1980s tourneys as confirmed Los Angeles Times. The Chiang Kai-Shek one is just a one off for that first tournament. WTA has some of the handwritten draw sheets and results for the prelims which is funny. In 1992 they switched over to calling it the Taiwan Open and have sponsors from Kraft and P&G. But keeping Ladies in it is misleading as only the OEC ones has that in the title. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 03:08, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * And in 1992 the LA Times called it "The Taiwan Open" and the ITF just lists it as "Taipei City Courts." This and the new events are called so many things it boggles the mind. If you think it would help our readers locate it better I have no problem with a rename to "Taipei Women's Championship." Fyunck(click) (talk) 04:37, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, let's try Taipei Women's Championship as that name gets less confusing than Taiwan Open which would require a date range. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:22, 1 June 2016 (UTC)