Talk:Taj El-Din Hilaly

Muslim Brotherhood
Was Hilaly part of the Muslim Brotherhood? Is there any material on why he decided to become interested in Hizballah instead? Andjam 01:06, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, this article in today's SMH says: "Egyptian-born Sheik Hilaly was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood but said he left it because it became too extremist." Jpe|ob 01:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Wages paid by "the Libyan Islamic Call Society and private individuals
Though Hilaly generally preaches at Lakemba Mosque, which is run by LMA, they do not pay his wages. These are paid by "the Libyan Islamic Call Society and private individuals. " Mention of ICS in relation to US$340,000. "The Libyan-based World Islamic Call Society (WICS), established with the sole purpose of spreading of Islam.... The organization established in 1982 in Tripoli, Libya,... predecessor 10 years earlier...formally an NGO, it actually is accountable to and dependent on the Libyan leadership, with Mu‘amar Qadhafi at the head...a bulk of its annual budget comes from the coffers of the Libyan state. http://ethesis.helsinki.fi/julkaisut/hum/aasia/vk/racius/themulti.pdf SmithBlue 00:47, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Encounter with "The Chaser"
This section is useless and counterproductive. A lot of people get sent up [satirized] by The Chaser and it doesn't warrant adding a rambling paragraph as an entire separate section to those articles; that's even sillier than adding it under "Controversies" (a misapplication), since it doesn't carry even that much significance. The incident in question would be more notable if there was enough substance to it to generate media response or public debate over it, thereby justifying a mention; however, the Chaser's piece is hardly three days old, and it seems a fan has deemed it worthy of inclusion simply on its own strength.

A POV article made up mostly of incriminating statements will not be improved by additions like these. Actually, no article would, since this is just cruft. -- Shoejartalk/edits 12:43, 18 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Any actionable changes you would like then? Just going its POV just does not cut it. Hypnosadist 13:34, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Support for Rudd
Blnguyen removed the thing about supporting Rudd, stating that it is not a controversy. Fair enough about it not being really controversial but since it's not noteworthy enough for the 2007 Federal election article, does this mean it won't be mentioned anywhere in wikipedia? Andjam (talk) 03:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * His highly controversial and anti-Australian "Retirement" and the shockingly brutal "Cleared of alleged links to Hezbollah" are also included in the Controversies section. Ironic hey? NPOV definitely not. SmithBlue (talk) 04:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * That's what lead me to make my mistake, as I didn't see the higher-level heading. The hezbollah non-stuff and the retirement will be moved, not removed, right? Andjam (talk) 04:56, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I probably was one of the ppl who used the "controversy" section when the article was hacked off in October last year by OTRS ocmplaint and then rebuilt. Everything should just be chrono...that way the integration of the Rudd thing isn't a difficutly.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 05:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Glad no-one took offense at my hyperirony. I too edited hezboll stuff without relising. Chrono sounds good to me. SmithBlue (talk) 05:14, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

MEMRI source
http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?ID=SP66404 The Mufti of Australia and New Zealand, Taj Al-Din Hamed Abdallah Al-Hilali, was born in Egypt's Suhag district in 1941. He graduated from Al-Azhar University and served as a preacher in Egypt, Libya, and Lebanon. ...The following is a collection of speeches and interviews by Mufti Al-Hilali... SmithBlue (talk) 02:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Category: Arab Australians
Hilaly was recented added to Category: Arab Australians. WP article Arab details various definions of "Arab" and the problems and complexities of each. Including that some definitions include grouips and individuals who explicitly reject being categorized as "Arab". The current reverting may or may not be part of this complexity/problem. Lets discuss this here. SmithBlue (talk) 04:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Egyptians are not arabs. Articles on Egyptian individuals don't have Arab category because they;re not ethnic Arabs. Thanx. 209.59.46.160 (talk) 05:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Please read Arab and explain where it is wrong. I'm fairly open minded on this at present. SmithBlue (talk) 08:00, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I note that the Manual of style says, "The term Arab (never to be confused with Muslim or Islamic) refers to people and things of ethnic Arab origin." This would seem to preclude Hilaly. SmithBlue (talk) 05:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)SmithBlue (talk) 05:31, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually I am a bit lost here. I'd always thought that Egyptians were Arabs but all I can say to justify this is "it is". So I don't really know what to do if theing are more complicated than this.  Blnguyen  ( bananabucket ) 03:15, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm with you here pretty much, I thought they weren't Arabs but then read Arab and thought they were as they speak Arabic but then read MOS and it says "no", that we only call ethnic Arabs "Arab". At least we need a strong cite saying that Egyptians are definitely "Arabs" before re-adding the category. SmithBlue (talk) 07:22, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I would like to propose that Australian Peace Party be merged into this article.

As the references on the Peace Party article make clear, the Party was a proposal of el-Hilaly's prior to the 2007 Federal election, but never got beyond discussions about committee membership. El-Hilaly stepped down two months later, and the proposed Peace Party was never registered with the Australian Electoral Commission and did not stand candidates at the election. There is no evidence that el-Hilaly's successor (or anyone else) intends to revive the Peace Party - it therefore remains a concept of el-Hilaly's alone, and better placed in this article than as a standalone page.

It's also arguable that the party had too brief an existence even as a concept to rate a mention at all, but the criticism it drew is perhaps relevant as one of the factors behind el-Hilaly's retirement (or perhaps not). I would leave that for readers to decide, but the possibility gives at least some reason to include this material on this page.

Other views and opinions welcome. Euryalus (talk) 14:44, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


 * In the absence of any other opinions, I've merged the material and redirected "Australian Peace Party" to this article. If there is disagreement, please let me know. Euryalus (talk) 13:32, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Kicking in his mosque's door and pretending others did it
http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/03/24/the-camera-never-lies/ - --RCS (talk) 12:50, 25 March 2009 (UTC) http://www.lyingarabcunt.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.223.70.11 (talk) 13:41, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

false accusation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ0HmBpIVBw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.235.40.191 (talk) 15:15, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

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