Talk:Takarazuka Revue

Questions

 * "the custom of having its first-year students clean the premises each morning." Isn't this a common practice in certain other even non-theatrical companies in Japan? Doesn't seem to merit it's own sentence or could have a qualifier at the very least.--Aichikawa (talk) 19:23, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * "Rather than requestion autographs, the fans proffer cards..." What type of cards? Business cards? I Love You cards? --Aichikawa (talk) 19:23, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I suppose I could edit it myself, but...

Here are a bunch of questions and clarifications that should be made to this article, for whoever is in charge or otherwise monitoring this page.


 * Most fans of the group are young women.


 * Are they? All the times I've been there (I walked past the theatre every day for 3 years, and have been to about 20 performances) I would estimate that middle-aged women make up the greatest part of the audience. Many might be closer to the mark than most.


 * senka/special course


 * First the translation is a bit naff, and they are not really a troupe as such, more a squad of actresses not attached to one particular main troupe, but brought in for particular roles. I think (but am not certain) that it tends to be the veterans who get promoted to this group.


 * Western classic musicals or novels


 * They also do operas, like Aida mentioned later, and I've seen La Traviatta, Tourandot and La Tr...something else... in the last few years.


 * Phantom of the Opera (named simply Phantom)


 * It is so-named because it is Phantom, a US musical of the book, not the Lloyd-Webber West End Phantom of the Opera. I've seen both the Takarazuka and the West End versions.


 * Elisabeth


 * Should someone create an article for this musical, the biggest German-language musical ever (there's a wee bit about it on the Kaiserlin Elisabeth page)? Also, what about some text to say how Elisabeth has replaced Rose of Versailles as the popular standard that they put on every year? There used to be something about RoV being the standard, I think. Having said that, they are reviving RoV at the end of the year and putting it on twice in a row.


 * Also, Sena Jun (is there a Wikipedia convention for Japanese name order?) retires at the end of the current Jazzy Pixies/Revue of Dreams run.

202.228.229.72 07:33, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Sena Jun doesn' t retire yet. Wao Yoka and her partner Hanafusa Mari retire at the end of Never Say Goodbye, the next performance of Cosmos troupe.


 * Most fans of the group are young women.


 * How about "most of the group's fans are women"?


 * Exploding Boy 18:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Name order
The Wikipedia standard for names of modern Japanese figures is to use normal English name order (given–name family–name). On this page, the names of some Takarasienne follow this standard order while some duplicate the order of the Japanese names (family–name given–name). I realize that English name order may ring less familiar with Revue fans in and out of Japan, but English order is what is used in Revue English publications, and following the standard makes the Jennes's pages easier to find and the page content easier to understand ("Is her given name Sena or Jun?") for those less-familiar with the Revue. I think making it easier for new people to learn about the Revue and become fans is a good thing.

Over the next few days I will do the following:
 * 1) Move existing  Family–name Given–name  Jenne pages to  Given–name Family–name , and make  Family–name Given–name  a redirect to  Given–name Family–name.
 * 2) Replace Family–name Given–name references in this article with Given–name Family–name.
 * 3) Do the same in existing Jenne articles.

Future Jenne articles should be created as Given–name Family–name  with a redirect from  Family–name Given–name. -- Meyer 06:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Takarasienne
... needs a definition (portmanteau from Takarazuka + Parisienne). (I think the French would probably say "Takarazukaine" by parallel with America -> Americaine, but I doubt my logic carries any weight in the Sumire Empire.) -- Meyer 09:04, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Otokoyaku/Musumeyaku

 * otokoyaku would be better translated as male role, and daughter role whilst literal seems clumsy - female role instead? -- 202.228.229.72 07:33, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Otokoyaku is "male role." Musumeyaku is not exactly equivalent to "female role"--there difference should be noted, and saying "literally daughter role" is a good way to do it. -- Exploding Boy 18:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

The terms are meaningless and confusing to those not already familiar with the Revue. Otokoyaku and musumeyaku should be translated into English ("male role"/"female role"?) and changed together here and in all jenne articles. -- Meyer 20:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I am now leaning toward breeches roles and skirt roles as translations of otokoyaku and musumeyaku since these are established English theatre terminology. Skirt role = musumeyaku is not a perfect fit, but I guess that can't be helped with a unique institution like the Takarzuka Revue. -- Meyer 07:40, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Senka
Need to make sure this is consistently translated as "Superior Members" in all Revue- and jenne-related articles. -- Meyer 21:04, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Yuri fandom (refactoring previous discussion)

 * Is the gratutous references to yuri fandom really significant or necessary? -- 202.228.229.72 07:33, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I hardly think it's a "gratuitous reference." It's an established fact. -- Exploding Boy 18:24, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I think I've got to agree with 202.228.229.72. If it really is an "established fact" then it should be mentioned first on the Yuri page, which it's not at this time. If and when "Takarazuka Revue fetish" is considered significant enough to mention in Yuri, then someone can consider whether it's significant enough from the POV of the Takazuka Revue (not a forgone conclusion) to restore the reference to Yuri here. I've updated the "Cultural phenomena" section accordingly. -- Meyer 07:19, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Former Takarasienne
I'd like to rework this section incorporating information from the much more extensive list on the Japanese WP page, particularly emphasizing those who went onto careers other than acting, like politician Chikage Ogi.

There are so many actresses on the list (101 on ja.WP page), I'd like to define some criteria for their inclusion on this English page (current list seems to overly-favor recent "graduates"). -- Meyer 07:49, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe list only actresses with entries at IMDB.com? This wouldn't be representative of their popularity in Japan, but might be a fair criterion for mention to the en.WP audience. This standard would leave Hitomi Kuroki on the list but disqualify Mao Daichi. -- Meyer 07:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Not feasible....Since most of the actresses continue work on stage rather than on TV or movie. -- Cougarwalk 20:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC).


 * What about limiting it to actresses with at least a stub page on ja.WP and citations of a career after Takarazuka? -- Meyer 10:49, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Some people in the English speaking community is working on that.... -- Cougarwalk 20:16, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Actresses listed on ja.WP page Takarazuka Revue Graduates (62 names, 54 with own ja.WP pages)? -- Meyer 08:33, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Categories of Musical they perform
This section and its clumsy title need to be rewritten.

What are the "two main categories of the musicals"?


 * 1) "Western classic musicals, operas, novels or even films" (this is one category?) (The extensive list of sources consumes more space than appropriate: mention a few exemplary sources, perhaps a few more in a section on "Notable productions" (strangely missing at present).)
 * 2) manga
 * 3) Japanese and Chinese history (This gives short shrift to Japanese period drama which is a major genre for revue productions (roughly half of Grand Theatre productions).)
 * 4) biographies
 * 5) original works

… quite a long list for just two categories: tighten up. -- Meyer 08:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

About SENKA
I have made a change from "six troups" to "five troups" because SENKA might not perform alone. The name of the Takarazuka Revue is applied by assumption that the Takarazuka Revue (Additionally with Takarazuka Ongaku Gakkou = Takarazuka Music School that is the theatrical company member training place) is one school. The theatrical company member is called SEITO ( student), the retirement is called SOTSUGYOU ( graduation) and Founder Ichizou Kobayashi is still called SENSEI (Teacher) ( according to the book by Shinji Ueda a producer working for Takarazuka Revue ). SENKA means "a specialized subject" or "a non-degree graduate program" and special members (actress who are topping soon, the former top's actress, and the elderly veteran actress) belong to SENKA. To begin with, is SENKA a troupe ? I think that it is a mistake to call the group that might not perform alone troupe.Penpen0216 02:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Questioned.....
>...but at the end of the first year, women are divided by the faculty and the current troupe members...

Divide by current troupe member? Aren't they know which troupe they will in AFTER their first stage? Cougarwalk 06:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

About Building pages for the actresses/former actresses
I think we need to work things out about this issue. Since some people are so eager to build page of their favourite actresses. However there are a couple issues I would like to point out:


 * First of all, write it in a professional way: don't need to mind the typo, someone/bots will correct them. Just don't write them as a fan but as a contributor.
 * Secondly, don't TOTALLY copy of what from Takarazuka Wikipedia. You need to edit and no need to show the year of the performance.
 * Thirdly, while writing a page for a former member, balance the information.

Also, here is a Userbox that you can add to your personal User page:

Thanks for bearing with me!

Cougarwalk 02:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

NHK's Okasan to Issho singer
I can't find any reference to Haida Shoko. - Sparky 16:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * In ja:はいだしょうこ it is described that some episodes on Haida Shōko are written in 『NHKのおかあさんといっしょ』2007年7月号別冊「ファミリースタジオ」("NHK's Okasan to Issho" July, 2007 Separate volume "family studio." 『NHKのおかあさんといっしょ』 is a monthly magazine (picture book) which Kodansha publishes. I add the link to the introduction page of the October, 2007 issue amazon.co.jpTakarazuka Family Land 14:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Merge discussion
It has been suggested that Takarazuka Theater be merged into this article. Please discuss this below, and express your opinion of either Support or Oppose regarding the merge. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:52, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

 * support merge-no sense having two articles on the same topic. Chris (talk) 18:20, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Support looks like a no-brainer. Do we need a pool? -- Taku (talk) 21:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Support as they are basically the same. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:44, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Support. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:08, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, I've gone ahead and performed the merger per WP:MERGE - I'd appreciate some help in copyediting the article. :) -Malkinann (talk) 11:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

From Ja.wp
I found this in the article, commented out below "Fan clubs" and before "Influence" - it's my hope that by moving this to the talk page rather than letting it sit unseen in the article that someone might translate it. -Malkinann (talk) 11:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

from ja. WP ... Actresses/celebrities(?): 101 Voice actresses: 5 Politicians: 2 Other (incl. recent retirees): 22

==出身者== 退団を願い出る原因は結婚・結婚準備・一身上の都合｛健康上の理由・家庭環境上の理由・進学･転職（女優・歌手への転進を含む）｝など多様である.
 * 大劇場公演または東京宝塚劇場公演への出演が可能な退団者で、かつ退団手続きが順調に行われた生徒は公演の千秋楽に紋付に緑の袴をはき、大階段をおりて舞台上で挨拶をする.
 * トップスター・トップ娘役クラス、またはそれに準ずるクラスの退団者になると、出演公演の足跡を振り返る「サヨナラショー」が行われることもある.

===タレント・女優=== （入団年度順）
 * 雲井浪子（娘役、1913年入団、1919年退団）女優・坪内ミキ子の母. 2003年逝去
 * 天津乙女（娘役、1918年入団、1980年在団中に逝去）
 * 小夜福子（男役、1921年入団、1942年退団）1989年逝去
 * 草笛美子（娘役、1926年入団、1940年退団）1977年逝去
 * 葦原邦子（男役、1928年入団、1939年退団）1997年逝去
 * 園井恵子（男役、1929年入団、1942年退団）広島で被爆、1945年逝去.
 * 霧立のぼる（娘役、1930年入団、1934年退団）1972年逝去
 * 轟夕起子（娘役、1931年入団、1937年退団）沖縄アクターズスクール校長・マキノ正幸の母. 1967年逝去
 * 美空暁子（男役、1933年入団、1941年退団）女優・南美江として新劇で活躍
 * 深緑夏代（娘役、1935年入団、1955年退団）
 * 東風うらゝ（男役、1935年入団、1940年退団）女優・宮城千賀子として活躍1996年逝去
 * 黒木ひかる（男役、1936年入団、1969年退団）2004年逝去
 * 月丘夢路（娘役、1937年入団、1943年退団）
 * 乙羽信子（娘役、1937年入団、1950年退団）1994年逝去
 * 越路吹雪（男役、1937年入団、1951年退団）タカラヅカが生んだシャンソンの女王. 1980年逝去. 2005年、天海祐希がドラマ「女の一代記」で演じる.
 * 淡島千景（娘役、1941年入団、1950年退団）：『リボンの騎士』のサファイアのモデル
 * 久慈あさみ （男役、1941年入団、1950年退団）1996年逝去
 * 清澄あきら（1942年入団、戦争により一度も舞台に立つことなく1944年退団し後に山岡久乃の名で女優として活躍）1999年逝去
 * 新珠三千代（娘役、1945年入団、1955年退団）2001年逝去
 * 八千草薫（娘役、1947年入団、1957年退団）
 * 淀かほる（男役、1947年入団、1966年退団）1993年逝去
 * 寿美花代（男役、1948年入団、1963年退団）高島忠夫との結婚のため退団. 高嶋政宏、政伸兄弟の母親でもある
 * 有馬稲子（娘役、1949年入団、1953年退団）
 * 南風洋子（男役、1949年入団、1953年退団）
 * 鳳八千代（娘役、1950年入団、1958年退団）
 * 真帆志ぶき（男役、1952年入団、1975年退団）
 * 浜木綿子（娘役、1953年入団、1961年退団）香川照之の母. 元夫＝市川猿之助
 * 那智わたる（男役、1953年入団、1968年退団）
 * 加茂さくら（娘役、1955年入団、1971年退団）
 * 上月晃（男役、1960年入団、1970年退団）1999年逝去
 * 甲にしき（花組、男役、1960年入団、1974年退団）
 * 初風諄（月組、娘役、1961年入団、1976年退団）
 * 榛名由梨（男役、1963年入団、1988年退団）
 * 大原ますみ（星組、娘役、1964年入団、1974年退団）
 * 鳳蘭（星組、男役、1964年入団、1979年退団）
 * 汀夏子（雪組、男役、1964年入団、1980年退団）
 * 安奈淳（花組、男役、1965年入団、1978年退団）
 * 瀬戸内美八（星組、男役、1966年入団、1983年退団）
 * 上原まり（娘役、1968年入団、1981年退団）
 * 順みつき（花組、男役、1968年入団、1983年退団）
 * 東千晃（星組、娘役、1970年入団、1982年退団）
 * 麻実れい（雪組、男役、1970年入団、1985年退団）
 * 峰さを理（星組、男役、1972年入団、1987年退団）
 * 高汐巴（花組、男役、1972年入団、1987年退団）
 * 姿晴香（星組、娘役、1973年入団、1983年退団）
 * 平みち（雪組、男役、1973年入団、1988年退団）
 * 大地真央（月組、男役、1973年入団、1985年退団）
 * 遥くらら（雪組、娘役、1974年入団、1984年退団）
 * 剣幸（月組、男役、1974年入団、1990年退団）
 * 大浦みずき（花組、男役、1974年入団、1991年退団）
 * 若葉ひろみ（花組、娘役、1975年入団、1985年退団）
 * 日向薫（星組、男役、1976年入団、1992年退団）
 * 美雪花代（花組、娘役、1977年入団、1981年退団）
 * 秋篠美帆（花組、娘役、1978年入団、1987年退団）
 * 春風ひとみ（月組、娘役、1979年入団、1988年退団）
 * 杜けあき　（雪組、男役、1979年入団、1993年退団）
 * 毬谷友子（雪組、娘役、1980年入団、1985年退団）
 * こだま愛（月組、娘役、1980年入団、1990年退団）
 * 安寿ミラ（花組、男役、1980年入団、1995年退団）
 * 黒木瞳（月組、娘役、1981年入団、1985年退団）
 * 毬藻えり（星組、娘役、1981年入団、1992年退団）
 * 涼風真世 （月組、男役、1981年入団、1993年退団）
 * 真矢みき（花組、男役、1981年入団、1998年退団）
 * 一路真輝 （雪組、男役、1982年入団、1996年退団）
 * 高嶺ふぶき（雪組、男役、1983年入団、1997年退団）
 * 久世星佳（月組、男役、1983年入団、1997年退団）
 * 麻路さき（星組、男役、1983年入団、1998年退団）
 * 能舞三子（星組、娘役、1984年入団、1987年退団）＝山岡三子
 * 紫とも　（雪組、娘役、1984年入団、1994年退団）
 * 鮎ゆうき（雪組、娘役、1985年入団、1991年退団）＝俳優･神保悟志夫人
 * 真琴つばさ（月組、男役、1985年入団、2001年退団）
 * 愛華みれ（花組、男役、1985年入団、2001年退団）
 * 紫吹淳（月組、男役、1986年入団、2004年退団）
 * 香寿たつき（星組、男役、1986年入団、2003年退団）
 * 天海祐希（月組、男役、1987年入団、1995年退団）
 * 姿月あさと（宙組、男役、1987年入団、2000年退団）
 * 匠ひびき（花組、男役、1987年入団、2002年退団）
 * 絵麻緒ゆう（雪組、男役、1987年入団、2002年退団）
 * 森奈みはる（花組、娘役、1988年入団、1995年退団）
 * 麻乃佳世（月組、娘役、1988年入団、1995年退団）
 * 渚あき（星組、娘役、1988年入団、2003年退団）
 * 汐風幸（専科、男役、1988年入団、2003年退団）片岡仁左衛門 (15代目)の娘
 * 初風緑（専科、男役、1988年入団、2005年退団）
 * 純名里沙（花組、娘役、1990年入団、1996年退団）
 * 風花舞（月組、娘役、1990年入団、1999年退団）
 * 星奈優里（星組、娘役、1990年入団、2001年退団）
 * 月影瞳（雪組、娘役、1990年入団、2002年退団）
 * 彩輝直（月組、男役、1990年入団、2005年退団）
 * 樹里咲穂（専科、男役、1990年入団、2005年退団）
 * 成瀬こうき（専科、男役、1991年入団、2002年退団）
 * 千紘れいか（月組、娘役、1992年入団、2000年退団）＝（大平敦子）
 * 檀れい（星組、娘役、1992年入団、2005年退団）
 * 朝比奈慶 （宙組、男役、1993年入団、2002年退団）
 * 大鳥れい（花組、娘役、1993年入団、2003年退団）
 * 千ほさち （花組、娘役、1994年入団、1998年退団）
 * 斐貴きら（星組、娘役、1996年入団、1997年退団）
 * 紺野まひる（雪組、娘役、1996年入団、2002年退団）
 * 舞坂ゆき子（雪組、娘役、1996年入団、2002年退団）歌手・俳優坂本九（故人）の次女
 * 千琴ひめか（星組、娘役、1998年入団、2002年退団）（＝はいだしょうこ）
 * 仙堂花歩（星組、娘役、1998年入団、2005年退団）：現･吉本新喜劇所属
 * 映美くらら（月組、娘役、1999年入団、2004年退団）

ほか

===声優===
 * 若樹美乃里（娘役、1951年入団、1955年退団）（＝太田淑子:『リボンの騎士』のサファイアの声を担当）
 * 町風佳奈（花組、娘役、1982年入団、2001年退団）
 * 詩乃優花（花組、娘役、1984年入団、1998年退団）
 * 葛城七穂（雪組、男役、1987年入団、1997年退団）
 * 水城レナ（星組、男役、1996年入団、2001年退団）

===政治家===
 * 扇千景（1954年入団、1958年退団）
 * 松あきら（花組、1966年入団、1982年退団）

===他卒業生=== 入団した順で表しています（2005年10月現在）.
 * 葉山三千子（専科、1957年入団、1996年退団） 宝塚音楽学校副校長・今西正子
 * 千波静（星組、1957年入団、1962年退団）東宝会長・松岡功夫人、元プロテニスプレーヤー・松岡修造の母
 * 八汐路まり（月組、娘役、1959年入団、1970年退団）
 * 岸香織（専科、1959年入団、1999年退団）宝塚歌劇団公演編成委員
 * 郷ちぐさ（雪組、男役、1963年入団、1972年退団）
 * 竹生沙由里（花組、娘役、1964年入団、1972年退団）
 * 高宮沙千（雪組、娘役、1965年入団、1979年退団）
 * 華かおり（娘役、1965年入団、1967年退団）毎日放送アナウンサー・河田直也の母
 * 摩耶明美（雪組、娘役、1966年入団、1974年退団）
 * 小松美保（月組、娘役、1967年入団、1980年退団）
 * 北原千琴（花組、娘役、1971年入団、1979年退団）
 * 五條愛川（月組、娘役、1972年入団、1982年退団）琴演奏家・菊月美穂
 * 湖条れいか（星組、娘役、1975年入団、1986年退団）
 * 朱穂芽美（娘役、1976年入団、1981年退団）相武紗季の母
 * ひびき美都（花組、娘役、1978年入団、1991年退団）
 * 紫苑ゆう（星組、男役、1978年入団、1994年退団）宝塚音楽学校講師（演劇）
 * 南風まい（星組、娘役、1979年入団、1988年退団）
 * 神奈美帆（雪組、娘役、1983年入団、1988年退団）
 * 稔幸（星組、男役、1985年入団、2001年退団）
 * 白城あやか（星組、娘役、1988年入団、1997年退団）中山秀征夫人
 * 花總まり（宙組、娘役、1991年入団、2006年退団）
 * 和央ようか（宙組、男役、1988年入団、2006年退団）

Audience of Takarazuka
This section does not seem to suit an encyclopedic article, although it has some merit. It seems strange and perhaps inappropriate to dwell on the writings of two American academics and not cite or reference Japanese sources. Is there a widespread (or at least notable) debate or discussion in Japan about Takarazuka and its influence on young girls? Is the debate mainly within the Takarazuka community, or even only among professionals working in Takarazuka? This section gives no sense of whether the female patronage of Takarazuka has notability or is simply a curiosity mainly of interest to academics outside of Japanese society. And in the case of the latter, who are these writers? Citing and quoting from their book(s) does not seem adequate in this case to justify their inclusion in the Takarazuka article. On the other hand, it might become good enough, with some further work, to merit its own article! Cuvtixo (talk) 16:10, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your recent work on copyediting this article. I feel this might be a case of "working with what we've got" - these academics have written on the audience of Takarazuka in English, which is the language people contributing to the English WP would understand and have access to sources in English.  If you've got a knowledge of Japanese, then please feel free to try and find some Japanese sources on Takarazuka's fans.  I'm not sure what kind of study has been done on the fans of Takarazuka, or for that matter, any aspect of Takarazuka, in Japanese. There doesn't seem to be a large body of work on Takarazuka in English and Jennifer Robertson inimates that the same is true of Japanese, that Takarazuka just isn't studied.  I believe Robertson mentions that Takarazuka was used by the contemporary Japanese media of the time as a scapegoat for "Class S" and ome couples, (butch-femme couples which outlast adolescence).  Certainly the Class S section here could be cut down a bit more, as the article Class S (genre) has been created. -Malkinann (talk) 00:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Cuvtixos point that this feels out of place in an encyclopedic article - I might suggest removing it or making it its own article. Otherwept (talk) 07:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Should Rome at Dawn be mentioned within this article?
Hit and run talk comment: I don't know the topic well, so I can't judge... is it notable that Takarazuka Revue has a version of Julius Caesar called (Rome at Dawn), with Marcus Junius Brutus portrayed by Jun Sena? If so, feel free to find a way to add this.&mdash; Mrand Talk • C 16:18, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

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Newest project
According to the Ace Attorney fansite Court Records, the game series will be adapted into an opera/musical performed by the Takarazuka Revue. Should it be noted in this article somewhere?

Link --Marshmello 19:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marshmello (talk • contribs)

"Takarazuka and homosexuality in Japanese society" section is pure editorializing
Actually, it doesn't even rise to the level of "editorializing." It simply states the author's impression without a shred of documentary evidence. This section could be made meaningful with references, for example, to quotes by noted Japanese homosexuals about Takarazuka. If I had the time, I could probably dig up at least two or three from my private library (and I can think of one particular essay off the top of my head). I have no doubt that Takarazuka is and always has been a hotbed of same-sex affairs and even long-lasting relationships, and has been an inspiration to generations of gay and bisexual Japanese women. But without some documentary evidence and a neutral point of view, this section as it stands has no place here. I plan to remove it in 24 hours, so if anyone can defend or improve it before then, please do. Matt Thorn (talk) 04:36, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

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Sentence removed from lead
I have just removed the following sentence from the lead:
 * The troupe takes its name from the Hankyu Takarazuka rail line in suburban Osaka. 

There is no evidence of this in the article. Prima facie you would have to say it take its name from the city where it is located. Granted that the city itself did not come into existence until the 1950s, the Japanese article on the city says that the name had been used for the area since the Edo period. So unless there is a source which clearly says that the revue was named after the train line, I don't think such a claim belongs in the lead. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 00:44, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

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