Talk:Tal Wilkenfeld

You Tube
I was under the impression that You Tube references and listing on any biography page should not be done. This is for several reasons, one, being the question of whether what is posted in such places is notable, and the second, because they are not dependable. IOW, some You Tube videos constitute a violation of copyright, and they are easily removed, leaving the page less noteworthy in their absence. This is why I originally removed the You Tube and "Further Listening" section of the page, even though I encourage folks to look Tal Wilkenfeld up on You Tube, because her work, particularly with Jeff Beck was amazing. --leahtwosaints (talk) 19:21, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "You Tube, because her work, particularly with Jeff Beck was amazing." Exactly. :) --Timeshifter (talk) 21:25, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not a hard-and-fast rule, and I believe that if it enhances knowledge about the artist to our readers, they should be kept. The main reasons for not including such links is that they may be fan sites, contain inaccurate information, or copyright violations. In the case of the MySpace page, I believe it's the artist's own page, which would mean that it most likely is not inaccurate. If the copyright owners object to the YouTube links, they won't be on YouTube anymore. Badagnani (talk) 19:28, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Plus, the myspace and youtube links aren't being used as references. They are definitely relevant external links, though. --Timeshifter (talk) 21:25, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, I can see the You Tube for now. But if time goes by and this stub ever makes it to consideration for GA status, re-check the "Listening" links again, just because I can't count how many times I've had to remove video links even from FA articles just cause someone withdrew the videos from You Tube or whatever.. Fair enough? --leahtwosaints (talk) 02:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Links of all kinds disappear. That's true for any link whether in references or external links. For links to articles, audio, video, etc.. As for video links, oftentimes there is another copy of the video elsewhere on Youtube. So if the video disappears, then a search on YouTube may bring up other copies. --Timeshifter (talk) 10:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

My POINT though, is that once this article ever gets to GA status, I think someone should re-check the "Listening" section. I'm worn out from having to yank out all the outdated videos, I don't want to make this into a diatribe. I just doubt a youtube video would make it to FA status. That's all. Can we let it rest? Thanks. --leahtwosaints (talk) 21:49, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Age issues
When Tal Wilkenfeld left for the United States, our first reference says she was 18? But if you check the "Aussie video sample" I left under "Listening", during the interview, she herself corrects the host, saying she came to the USA at age 16. What should be done? --leahtwosaints (talk) 10:56, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Good question. Probably say, "Although many sources have reported that she was 18 upon immigrating to the United States, she has stated in an interview that she was 16 at the time." Something like that Badagnani (talk) 16:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Tal came to America at 16. It has been mentioned several times in various places by Tal herself.  It has been mentioned in the Bass Player interview.  Tal has stated this fact in a Spicks and Specks TV interview as well as the Today Show interview. TroubleFindsMe (talk) 10:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * She cannot just emigrate to the US at 16 without being accompanied by a parent or a guardian. Sounds fishy to me. And who paid all of her "being the "in" girl" crap, while she was earning no money? The whole "biography" sounds very bogus. Sgracanin (talk) 22:55, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Means of supporting herself
In accordance with Wikipedia BLP guidelines, I've removed the statement that Tal supported herself as a session musician in NYC. A citation reference to Tal's website was given, however, there is nothing on her website that supports this claim or makes mention of her means of financially supporting herself while in New York. TroubleFindsMe (talk) 21:43, 1 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by TroubleFindsMe (talk • contribs) 21:39, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I strongly urge you to discuss what you wish to remove from the text before you do it. I could quote wikipolicy for that, too, but it seems to be obvious. --leahtwosaints (talk) 09:49, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

I do have an issue with "means of supporting herself" if she emigrated into the US at 16 years of age, with no parent or guardian, no visible money trail and no job. Just walking to Jeff Beck and saying "I'll play bass for you" does not work like that, she is not that good... But that is besides the point. Where came all the money needed to live in the US, study and then "move to New York" where you cannot rent an apartment under 2 grand a month? There are thousands of bass players who are at least equally good as her, some of them women, who cannot get an audition, much less walk into a studio and do a paid session. Besides, she would need to be in the union. The whole biography sounds very bogus to me. VERY bogus.Sgracanin (talk) 23:00, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

your estimation of how good she is is not relevant. your conjecture regarding other skills etc., rather shows you as a sexist and might indicate you're interested in vandalism of this page. 71.198.72.190 (talk) 19:24, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

"She is not that good" where the hell are your album credits? There are not thousands as good as her. Most players as good as her do not leave guitar for bass. Really, really good bass players are rather rare. Since you are not one of them, I guess your motivation is clear. 65.79.173.135 (talk) 18:46, 29 August 2013 (UTC)Will in New Haven65.79.173.135 (talk) 18:46, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

By the time Wilkenfeld played with Jeff Beck, she had already toured with Chick Corea. That alone is incredibly impressive. Additionally, it's not unlikely that Corea would choose to work with as yet unknown but very talented musicians. He did it before when he took John Patitucci, Dave Weckl and Scott Henderson out of relative obscurity. I think Wilkenfeld is (like almost ALL respected recording artists) simultaneously extremely talented and extremely fortunate. The only issue I have with the article is that it doesn't adequately explain how she came to work with the Allman Brothers Band; an important point, because this was clearly her first major break. But to say that her early career depended on something other than her musicianship, is in downright poor taste and completely unfounded. I would also say that although her resume to date has been rather extraordinary, she doesn't appear to have gained a recording contract of her own. Whether any contract has been sought, I don't know. But currently she is hosting a crowd-sourcing effort on her official website to fund a studio album. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.59.63.90 (talk) 06:16, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

I added some info on her meeting The Allman Brothers Band. She didn't seek a contract for her next album because she wanted it to be organic without any interference from a label. Parttimewikier (talk) 19:53, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

List of "Associated Acts" in infobox
I'm not comfortable having a long list of names in Tal's infobox. I always assumed that real associated acts would be bandmates, those that one records with, or is the touring musician, as with Jeff Beck, in this instance. The article says she's played with Susan Tedeschi, which makes sense because Tedeschi's husband is in the Allman Brothers Band. But I see no reference to back that up, and honestly, Ron Holloway told me she just sat in with him on a performance, so I think those names should be removed. My point is that, like many session musicians, strings of names in infoboxes eventually mean very little, compared to the actual person's accomplishments. Can we clean out at least half of those names and be sure to reference those that are there? --leahtwosaints (talk) 23:41, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, it's been months now, and nobody seems to give a hoot, so I'm removing the Associated Acts that are not in her trios. --Leahtwosaints (talk) 23:16, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not a regular Wikipedia contributor - but I'm aware of early publicly available early recordings from Tal that aren't mentioned in the article. She did some live work with Yossi Piamenta's band (with Yonrico Scott on drums) during her residence in NYC, at least one of those performances can be found here - http://www.archive.org/details/piamenta2005-07-06.flacf - Enjoy  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.6.212.164 (talk) 02:38, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Personal Background, d.o.b.
Still no hint for her real birthday? Someone from the press should ask that question. And, is she German Australian? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.188.117.213 (talk) 02:45, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Please leave references here
Here is a first good one: February 18, 2010 Tal Wilkenfeld to headline Wesfest 5 on Feb 28th, 2010

--Leahtwosaints (talk) 19:14, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

The word "emigrated"
In the Early life section it says she "emigrated" to USA. As far as I understand the word emigrate means to move to another country and change citizenship from the old to the new country. I don't know if Tal became a citizen of USA, but I doubt that she did. If she is an Australian who moved to USA the word emigrate should probably be replaced with moved. Note that the reference to that paragraph points to an article: "At the age of 16, Tal Wilkenfeld dropped out of high school in Sydney, packed up her possessions and moved to Los Angeles to pursue her dream of becoming a musician." which uses the word "moved".

It all depends on the definition of the word emigration. It is sloppily defined in word books, usually defined as movement. On government sites emigration is usually coupled to the the issue of citizenship. To avoid the confusion about citizenship I think we should use the word "moved" when the person did not change citizenship, or we do not know the nationality of the person.

The wikipedia article Emigration says that emigration means to move to another country to settle there. To "settle" usually and historically means to have the intent of staying in the new country for the rest of ones life, which implies to become a citizen of the new country. In the modern world we see world famous artists or sports people who move around between many countries but seldom change their citizenship, and have no intent of staying for the rest of their life in another country.Roger491127 (talk) 16:19, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Ethnicity
Tal Wilkenfeld is matter-of-factly regarded as Jewish by an Australian Jewish music festival in Ynetnews.

"Australia has produced a long list of Jewish artists of international standing, including jazz and soul singer Renée Geyer, Ben Lee, bassist Tal Wilkenfeld, among others."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3841542,00.html JohndanR (talk) 03:52, 14 November 2014 (UTC)


 * That's a decent start, but she only gets name-dropped there. For bio purposes and adding categories, a more concrete source is needed—preferably one where she self-identifies as Jewish, or a more detailed account of her ancestry. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 12:51, 14 November 2014 (UTC)