Talk:Tales (video game series)/Archive 1

Story line
I added a new section of the story line of Tales. I've never played this game before, so it would be nice if someone checked it for accuracy and completeness. I would really like this article to include information on how the stories are related. I came to this article wanting to know how related the stories of the games are so I would know whether or not it's important to play them in any particular order. 69.92.144.74 15:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I just finished Tales of the Abyss and there are numerous refrences to the planet it is on is Aselia. Would someone investigate this it might be between symphonia and phantasia because the latest date is n.d. 2017 if i remember correctly. Alice 03.14.07 9:09

What? Abyss is NOT related to Phantasia/Symphonia in any way. There aren't any hints that it takes place on Aselia at all! Especially considering the planet is named Auldrant... -Kawnhr 10:15, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

How in the world could ANYONE think it was related to the Aselia universe!//// It clearly states multiple times that the planet is named "Auldrant". Now let's stop imagining stupid nonexistant "references". Not only this, but Abyss STARTS in n.d. 2017, it ends in n.d. 2020. That means 2020 years after the dawn age, a.k.a. when Yulia raised the outerlands. In the Aselian calender, 2020 would be 2020 years after the combining of the worlds. Unless, of course, your saying that Yulia existed when the Great Karlahn War happened and raised the outer lands before Mithos split the world?//// How can anyone be so idiotic??....

Recurrence, we can make a better job than that
For example, the repetitive use of Nordic Mythology Names.

Slash/Trust: I dont have a source, but does anyone knows of any other game that implements this feature? i think ToP might have been the first.

Cooking Skills: There's always a character that sucks at cooking so badly the main character almost literally dies, and one wich is extremelly good at cooking, and often adds more bonuses at cooking than the rest.

Personalities: Recicled personalities, thought more than slightly reformated each time, for example Raine-Kurtis, in a skit Kurtis claims (on a side note) that he doesnt believes in reincarnation, being obviously a joke about how extremelly similar each character in the Tales Series is to one another.

Elfs: Like in most rpgs that intend in providing a small depth into the cultures inside themselves. The Tales Series's Elfs are a racist race, blindly believing in their superiority above the human race, and calling humans selfish while secluding themselves...

Acients: Trought the series there are many mentions and appearances of ancient tecnology, of civilisations/races long past gone, examples are time travel machines, flying crafts, magical devices or magically fueled machinery.

Tecnology?: A Weird mix of magic and tecnology, where instead of normal fuels, magic is used to fuel machinery, and due to this there never are any aircraft no matter how advanced, except those left behind by ancient civilisations.

I mean come on! there are many more recurrances to the tale series. >3<

(of wich i thought btw that airfread was useless to mention, and maybe one or two more) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Klyern (talk • contribs) 13:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC).


 * I think the Thrust/Slash thing refers to the sword motions, not the stats in ToP. - Alex &#39;phoenix&#39; Wing 15:40, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Tales Popularity
When it says that it is among the top 5 most popular games in Japan, where exactly do you get that information from? Can we cite a source here please?

- not "top 5 games", "top 5 RPG series". If you count the number of RPG series there are, it is sort of logical that it must be within the top 5, since there are not that many RPG series that are that long-running (Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Shin Megami Tensei come to mind). It's sort of logical. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.166.214.136 (talk) 16:25, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Page Reorganization
I would like to overhaul this page. Much of the discussion about the battle system ought to be on the dedicated Linear Motion Battle System page, while the battle system description here will be reduced to a generic description. In its place there should be a description of the general concept and typical attributes of Tales games (may include details of evolution). Also the games list will be extended with the full release dates (what date scheme should I use? yyyy-mm-dd?) and the developers. Any objections? 82.135.65.150 14:01, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Whether it was you or not, the page was "overhaul"ed. I think it looks great, but where's Sword of Legendia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.243.126.208 (talk) 17:01, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I was the one who reorganized the game list, I had always thought that the one from Japanese Wikipedia looked great, and had much more information, so I went ahead and copied the code for the game list from Japanese Wikipedia, and translated it to English. I also added in the "Regions" section myself to show which regions the games were released in. As for Sword of Legendia, as far as I know Namco still hasn't released any information, or even officially stated whether or not it's part of the Tales series. The Tales series Navigation Box doesn't include it, nor does Japanese Wikipedia's game list or Navigation Box, and Namco's Tales Channel doesn't even list it, so I decided not to re-add it to the game list until Namco releases more information. But, if you want me to re-add it, I could put it at the bottom of the list, with a note next to it, saying that it hasn't been officially confirmed to be part of the Tales series yet. Aoimusha (talk) 05:24, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay I like to know how everyone is deciding what is part of the Main series or independant. I'm not understanding the logic of calling Tempest on it's own just because it has it's own 'world' unique from the rest of the games. Uh, most of the games are like that. --74.132.94.122 (talk) 17:14, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Because Tales series producer Makoto Yoshizumi changed Tales of the Tempest's status to Escort Title, and decided that the first Mothership Title for the Nintendo DS should be Tales of Innocence instead. http://touch-ds.jp/crv/vol7/005.html (In Japanese) He stated that all the main games at that time upto Tales of the Abyss would stay Mothership Titles, Tales of the Tempest would be changed to an Escort Title, and Tales of Innocence would be a Mothership Title. However he made no mention of Tales of Symphonia: Knight of Ratatosk in either way. It's exclusion from the titles he listed could mean that it's an Escort Title, but since Namco hasn't officially stated it's status, there's still the possibility it's a Mothership Title, time will tell which one it is. Aoimusha (talk) 05:11, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Concerning Sword of Legendia, I believe there should be at least a note of it, since there is a decent probability that it is related to Tales of Legendia. I, however, am far too newbish to make a change like that without ruining the entire page, so I, (and probably others,) would appreciate it if someone can put that in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.243.126.208 (talk) 22:44, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Tales of Phantasia release in Europe
As the title says, Tales of Phantasia was also released in Europe with multi language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.129.117.232 (talk) 16:24, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

ToS2: Other Games?
Why has the sequel to Tales of Symphonia: Tales of Symphonia: Knight of Ratatosk been moved to "Other Games"? Isn't it apart of the Main series, if it's a direct sequel to ToS, then technicially it should, since ToS was apart of the main series, be apart of the main Series?

I was wondering about its classification too. It hasn't been confirmed as main or spin-off so until that time, it should be assumed as main.

What the bloody **** do you mean?! It hasn't been "confirmed". The NAMCO Tales Channel clearly stated that it's a sequel, plus look at the plot, it takes two years after the game, and Kratos is gone, the other characters are back, etc, etc...

Hell, of course it's a main game! Unless some new info comes out that for some odd reason states that it is not, it should be in the main game section.

Yeah, someone put it into a spinoff again, so I'll just go ahead and put it back, k'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.243.126.208 (talk) 15:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

It's been confirmed by Nintendo that this isn't a direct sequel. They said it falls between both a spin-off and a sequel. It's not part of the main series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.231.135 (talk) 04:36, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Is has been confirmed by Namco of Japan that this is a Mothership title and a sequel. People don't seem to understand the meaning of "spin-off" anymore. "Spin-off" does not mean lessor title in the way that people are using it. Why don't we just call it a "continuation" since people love to nitpick? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.254.128.141 (talk) 14:00, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Characteristic Genre Name
What the heck does this even mean? I've tried googling the phrase and searching Wikipedia, but it doesn't appear to have any meaning. Indeed, it's only used here, on Wikipedia, and some cached website that seems to have provided most of the information here and itself no longer exists. Oh, and some website called Crunchy Roll that only mentioned it for Tales of the Abyss. Jachra (talk) 10:42, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's just something all Tales of games have. They're really only used for the Japanese versions, so that's why there isn't anything up on English sites, except for by fans and such. 67.232.242.225 (talk) 02:26, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

New Tales Anime
Tales of the Abyss is having an anime made in honor of 10 years of Tales of Games and will start airing 12/08.

Source http://www.tv-toa.jp/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.2.40.89 (talk) 22:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Dawn of the New World is not mothership
http://games.stumpnet.net/tales08-01.jpg According to this graph from the Tales conference, the only upcoming mothership games are on 360 (Vesperia) and DS (Hearts). Wii (DotNW) and PSP ( Radiant Mythology 2 Rebirth port) are off to the side because their games are not considered mothership. So maybe this silliness can end now.--Claude (talk) 20:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, accodrding to this is is a mohtership title. []. There still appears to be some confusion about this. --76.69.166.112 (talk) 21:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't read that pagebut I guess the confusion is over now since the Tales conference made it clear that DotNW is not a mothership title.--Claude (talk) 22:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The conference is more recent than that scan, but people will argue about what the picture from the conference is showing (I've seen it done). 67.232.244.124 (talk) 06:29, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Is "First Release" a misnomer?
First off, shouldn't that be "First Releases?" (pleural) and second, it doesn't make me think the first release of that title. I suggest changing that to "Original Releases", but because this is unfamiliar grounds to me, I won't do that change without confirmation. However, I will go ahead and make "First Release" pleural. Posted by: SoC (talk) -- Posted at:: 10:01, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Tales PS3 game
I thought I might as well start up the discussion for this because as soon as more people hear about this the rumors, edits and reverts will abound. --98.223.40.250 (talk) 07:48, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

http://scrawlfx.com/2008/06/rumor-new-tales-of-ps3-title-to-be-announced
 * Since it's a real magazine, I thought I'd suggest adding Unknown to the list as PS3. 66.168.19.135 (talk) 23:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Mistranslation says it's "We'd hope for" or something like it, so technically this isn't a release. 66.168.19.135 (talk) 15:02, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

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Yeah...
Dawn of the new World is a mothership title. There is a clear page in the references concerning that. I believe the conference came before that scan, so they may have changed their minds. Just put it in already. And namco Tales Studio (although it carries a cool name) was renamed to Namco Bandai since the production of Tales of the Abyss, I made the edits in there, there shouldn't be anything wrong with that.DarkenedSkye (talk) 05:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

The conference is more recent than the scan, and Namco Tales Studio is still credited in-game for the games they've made since the merger, plus they are currently developing a game right now, Tales of Hearts. Aoimusha (talk) 10:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but DotNW is definitely escort.--Claude (talk) 09:47, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah, my mistake. Carry on.DarkenedSkye (talk) 04:07, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Unnecessary Deletion?
Was the deletion of the game list REALLY necessary? If not, the someone please correct this. Also, the page has undergone a MAJOR change since *I* last saw it. Since when was it decided to do a total rehaul on the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.229.228 (talk) 02:38, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * If anything removing it was a hinderance. The Mana series page has a game list and is a featured article so this clearly is not a problem.--Claude (talk) 23:24, 14 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It was actually moved to a spinout article called List of Tales media so it still exists there. Now that the list was readded here a good question to ask would be should we have the list on this page or keep the info on a seperate page with a clearly marked link to that page? It is important to ask because if we keep the info here the spinoff article would be IMO completly uneeded (being a duplication) and should probabaly be redirected here if a concensus exists to keep the lists on this page.--70.24.177.222 (talk) 01:51, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The reason I moved it away from the article is because its length hinders its development, also due to the fact that it's a list rather than prose it violates the Wikipedia policy of WP:NOTLINK, which only excludes list-class articles. The Mana series is relatively short, so it's apparently better off in the series page. However, there exists a larger variety of Tales games, spinoffs, anime, and other things, so it should have its own list article with a summary here. A similar page would be List of Final Fantasy media. If you want, you could make a shorter list of the main series games in this article under the "games" heading, with a link to the list of game titles, however you should probably keep the list of media intact.-- ZXCVBNM 02:09, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Another thing: having descriptions of all the summon spirits in the series article violates WP:PLOT since there is absolutely no information about real-life development and their notability isn't established. There are many similar elements in other RPGs and simply describing their attributes here makes it more like a game guide than an encyclopedia. That should be transwikied because a casual reader wouldn't be interested or enriched by the information.-- ZXCVBNM 02:15, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that the whole list is excessive. However, the "Mothership" titles should at least be copied back on this article in my opinion. --Remy Suen (talk) 21:15, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Page rehaul
This article was in desperate need of a rehaul, removing useless parts of the article and spreading things out into pieces of info that fits it best.

I think the "Common Elements of Tales" and "Gameplay of Tales" sections should stay separate articles from the main Tales series article. As the series continues and more games release, only more info is going to be needed to be added to these articles. The problem for the series article last time was that there was too much information concentrated into one place, taking the info from these sections and then putting it back into one big article again will only cause this again, becoming even worse as more games release. They have specific info that a person could find useful should a person need them, and at the same time it will prevent the main article from becoming too cluttered.

While they are in need of some editing and expansion, I feel that separating them is the best course of action, so that brief pieces of info can be given, with access to much more specific articles should a person need them.Rpgmonkey (talk) 00:37, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I have to disagree, since the Gameplay of Tales series and Common Elements are not articles that can support itself and is not notable on it's own without Tales. Sure it may make the page look less cramp, but otherwise, they can't stand as separate articles. I could be wrong on this though. DragonZero (talk) 05:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I strongly disagree and have reverted your splits. Per WP:BRD, they should not be restored unless consensus agrees with such splits. Discussion should have occurred before such actions were even attempted. Neither is an appropriate split in any way, shape, or form. Neither is a notable topic nor are such splits necessary. The article is in need of a major rewrite, this is true, but its problems are NOT fixed by attempting to hide them on other pages which are then overloaded with extremely excessive detail going against WP:NOT. This is not a game guide, brief, summary information is all that should be given, not minute details. I am guessing that you were looking at Final Fantasy for inspiration, however splitting is the last thing to come, not the first in this case, and only where such splits can be supported (and I strongly suspect that those split out articles would be deleted if taken to AfD and were done to make the article FA level by removing inappropriate levels of detail). -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 06:15, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually he didn't split the articles, they were split before he worked on them. So far, he's copy edited the stuff so I'll be reverting back to his edits and someone will merge the materials from the other pages back to here. DragonZero (talk) 07:27, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * If you're going to remove the gameplay and common elements, you might as well remove the list of media as well. The gameplay and common elements sections are in need of some editing and can be cut down, but they do not need to be removed outright. The current section as it was was much too cramped with lots of information that was about info that was too split and incoherent for the article at hand, and needed to have a lot of updating or at least be moved somewhere more specific should the consensus be that the info that was here should be kept. Separating things now allows information to be kept more coherent and to the point for the main article, while the other articles can provide some more detailed information, that at least has a better place than being thrown into various sections of this article. It's best to keep separate articles for at least the list of media and gameplay (I feel common elements probably should be moved into gameplay though) as they are something that will only grow more and more as time goes on, the unveiling/release next Tales for the Wii comes and any announcements that may come with it being the next thing to cause more growth. Keeping the gameplay and list of media as separate articles is not only a worthwhile decision now, but also a precaution that will provide more detailed pieces of info about the series and its progression and also help to keep information of certain aspects of the series confined without causing the main article to become too messy and large. The gameplay section is not to be used for detailing every aspect of gameplay, but to mention things that are common and/or permanent parts of how the series's gameplay works, making things such as weapons, the battle systems, and items perfectly within what can be in an article, it is only in need of certain aspects being shortened/removed. Rpgmonkey (talk) 20:41, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, the list of media could be removed, since you listed all it's information onto the article already, and the quotations of each game can be merged to their game articles. Gameplay the on other hand should be merged into the article but have descriptions about weapons, items, removed. Many parts should also be compressed or merged in that article, such as special attacks or miniquests; "Tales of XXX offers optional quests rewarding players upon completion" Even if more games come out, it does not earn it's own article yet. Possibly in the far future it will. Common elements on the other hand should just be merged to their respective games, not the tales series. Ex. Kratos makes a cameo in Tales of Vesperia. This should be on the Tales of Vesperia page. DragonZero (talk) 21:15, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll just agree. I'll get to the gameplay article and just work it into this article.Rpgmonkey (talk) 21:19, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep up the good work. This article needed a rehaul in a long long time. DragonZero (talk) 21:28, 12 March 2009 (UTC)


 * AFAIK, the list of media was put back here by a disgruntled editor, but really should be removed as it belongs in a separate list article. Also, the gameplay section REALLY needs to be trimmed down, especially the list of game engines for each game.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 16:59, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Now that everything has been remerged, discussing whether there should be any splits would be appropriate. First, however, I'd recommend we now go through and trim down the excessive details, tighten the prose, and work on sourcing. Then, if it is still too long, discuss a split.-- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 17:20, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * x_x so he was told to merge the articles now he's told again to split it again. Sounds troublesome, I don't see anything that's worth having it's own article. DragonZero (talk) 20:54, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * No, sorry, I must not have worded that well. Those splits were all inappropriate, so merging back was the appropriate thing to do. Just quick scanning the links, if and only if the page is still too large when the prose is all wonderful, the content is right balance between detail and summary, and everything is all formatted, then perhaps there may be a place to split. Just looking at it is now though, I also see nothing that would warrant a split, once the article is well cleaned. I was just noting that splits don't even need to be on the table right now, that the first focus should be cleaning up and sourcing what is already there. --  AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:04, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Woah, woah, wait a minute, I definitely think that having a List of Tales media is justified. If you look at Category:Video game lists by franchise, you'll see that there are many other large series that have a similar list to avoid cluttering the main series page with minutae. It doesn't make sense to redirect the list article.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 21:10, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The contents there had been merged here. I also don't think it really should have a "media" list. Maybe a more focused list of games, but not something quite so general. A lot of what was there didn't need to be there, as they were game specific rather than applying to the franchise as a whole. Also, remember WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS (:P). That said, if I was incorrect in thinking the contents had already been merged here, feel free to revert. If it is going to stay separate, though, the media section here needs cutting back. It should also be overhauled. List of Castlevania media (FL) would be a good guide. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:12, 14 March 2009 (UTC)


 * First of all, it does make sense to have a media list, since the series has an anime and, I'm sure, many soundtracks. Secondly, not all the information was migrated here, and the list on this page is, in my opinion, inferior. It's quite unorganized and lists everything with prose, making it far more difficult to navigate. The "Media" section should be trimmed down and the List of Tales media should be added to instead.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 21:16, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Specifically, I think that the game summaries could be moved to List of Tales media, rather than that page be redirected here.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 21:18, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I was rewording my thing before you posted. I've reverted the redirect and redid the media section to shortened it up. Also did some clean ups in other areas. Thoughts? -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 21:47, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * In regards to game summaries, I'm doing a more detailed, yet somewhat simpler version of the table on the list of media. Little is changed besides being more compact. Game summaries may be added if needed.Rpgmonkey (talk) 01:50, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Please look at the FL list pointed to above. Summaries aren't necessary and would just clutter the page. The games all have their own articles, so let them speak for the game details. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 01:57, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Please move discussion of List of Tales Media to the article in question. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rpgmonkey (talk • contribs) 03:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, much better. Now, the next thing that needs to be done is either moving the "common elements" section to encompass both "story" and "gameplay", or finding sources for the development section. The gameplay section needs to be fixed, as it has no internal links and is written in an unencyclopedic tone.--ZXCVBNM (TALK) 20:13, 15 March 2009 (UTC)


 * About the media list, I still think it should be merged, since Bleach doesn't have it's own media, but only a game list which I find has too many useless subdivisions. DragonZero (talk) 20:16, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Game themes
I think this page should summarize the usual themes used within the Tales series, such as the discrimination against half-elves, ambuigity, and all of the mythology it normally draws inspiritation from.

You can generalize it. It's not just discrimination against half-elves, rather than against "some sort of group" (since half-elves only appear in the Aselia timeline). One of the directors of the series has mentioned in an interview that the main theme that strings all games together is the theme of "co-existence", which usually implies that there is some conflict between co-existing groups, resulting in discrimination. The main party usually struggles to achieve this "co-existence" during the game's run. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.127.117.12 (talk) 19:02, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

as of yet unnamed mothership title
Is there going to be an article for the as of yet unnamed but acronymed 'ToG'? The website http://tog.namco-ch.net/ (which leads to a 'under construction' page) confirms the acronym, although the name is still technically out there has been speculation that G stands for 'gracia'. that and a teaser trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShjxR5LJ1a8 the teaser trailer also gives a connection to Tales of Destiny 2 via the theme song which is used in ToD2 as a field BGM, though whether or not the song is meant to imply a story based connection is up for speculation. I don't know about the policy on youtube, but it's possible there could be another copy somewhere on the net that comes from the original source or whatever. Given this, I wouldn't know what to write the article about other than that the ToG at tales channel could somehow be connected to the teaser trailer. what's your stand on this 71.214.173.123 (talk) 08:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Those are still rumours. It's been confirmed to be Tales of "G" and then people start guessing with names Namco has "bought". Also the youtube part and the BGM is irreverent to the subject. DragonZero (talk) 14:44, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * heh, I'm pretty sure you mean irrelevant, not irreverent. And yeah, I did say it was confirmed to be tales of "G" and that there was speculation on the title, nothing more. as for the youtube/bgm being irrelevant, well, the BGM is, to my knowledge, a remixed version of the song, but like I mentioned earlier, there's nothing besides youtube that that places the game/song together, and the video doesn't even make any mentions of a name. I can only hope that the stars and planets magically align and that youtube video is not a fake. My question though, is why isn't there an article even for Tales of "G", even with as little official information as we have?144.90.1.34 (talk) 15:49, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Because with "what little official information" is available, there is absolutely no point in making an article. It isn't, at this point, remotely notable and doesn't even have an official name yet. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 16:07, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, so then why is there Tales of Graces now? I thought you weren't gonna do it? 71.220.177.211 (talk) 05:49, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Because IGN released and official announcement of the game title. The site before was all speculation, this is real. DragonZero (talk) 06:58, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

"Tales" or "Tales of"?
It says in the first sentence: Tales (テイルズオブ, Teiruzu obu), but those Japanese words actually mean Tales of and not just Tales. It should either be Tales (テイルズ, Teiruzu) or Tales of (テイルズオブ, Teiruzu obu) 194.105.96.202 (talk) 19:38, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hm, probably just a typo. if you haven't made the edits, I will. Nice sense of beaurocracy there.DarkenedSkye (talk) 04:09, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, that's not a typo, in Japan the series is always referred to as the "Tales of" series, even on official material released by Namco, but it seems that in America it's usually referred to as the "Tales" series, which is why that doesn't match.

Are people still against renaming the article to Tales of (series)? Since that's what it's always been officially referred to as in Japan. Aoimusha (talk) 12:59, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * If we did change it I think it should just be Tales of because unlike the term Tales I can think of much else that would be called Tales of meaning we don't need to add (series). --76.69.164.165 (talk) 01:21, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Wasn't it originally listed as "Tales of" here before? I believe it was changed to just "Tales" because that's what the series is known as to the rest of the world.--Claude (talk) 21:52, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No. According to the edit history Tales of was always a redirect . --70.24.182.130 (talk) 21:34, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it should stay at Tales (series) since that's the name used in English-speaking countries, which is likely to be where most users of the English Wikipedia come from. Using the Japanese name would be like if the English Pokémon article called the series Pocket Monsters. --Evice (talk) 00:24, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Aselia is wrong.
I'm surprised no one noticed this but the ToS, ToP, ToP:ND and TotW:SL world is not Aselia but is Aseria. (officially confirmed in the English ToP OVA) I realize most people are more familiar with the "fanslation" Aselia but shouldn't Wikipedia be more about accuracy than recognization? I think it should be changed to its official English name.
 * Both are correct translations, so we will most likely have to wait for ToS:KoR to get the final say on the matter.--Drkirby (talk) 18:53, 22 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Is an OVA considered the "official English name" when the OVA itself isn't even canon to the games? I've seen several instances where OVAs based on video games can have different spellings or pronunciations for characters and places simply because two different teams are handling the localizations and have nothing to do with each other.--Claude (talk) 07:06, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Um...what? The Phantasia anime is based off the game. It may not show everything, but the stuff in the anime is in the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.193.229.228 (talk) 02:17, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You seem to have completely missed the point that they're not one and the same.--Claude (talk) 02:37, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the previous statement for the sole reason of thinking that aselia sounds cooler than aseria —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.243.126.208 (talk) 06:09, 6 January 2008 (UTC)


 * That was a case of the team localizing it transliterating アセリア (Aseria) literally, causing a mistransation. The original game had it spelled out--in English--as Aselia, meaning that was their intention. Since the OVA's translation was handled by a different team than the one that did the game, and I believe the OVA doesn't have any such spellings in it, it's only natural that they come up with differences in it. Heck, even Mint's last name somehow became "Adenade" in instead of "Adnade." 67.232.242.225 (talk) 02:31, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

The OVA translated it that way because the official translation of the game uses that name. When the characters asked what year it was after ending up in the past, the person giving them that information used the term "Aserian Calendar." Seeing how this is the English Wikipedia and not the Japanese Wikipedia, we should use names used in the official English translation. --Evice (talk) 00:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

mothership is not the word you think it is.
Why is "mothership" used so much in this article. A mothership is a big ship from which other ships come. Perhaps you mean "flagship"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.172.90.86 (talk) 16:51, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Because that's what Namco calls the main games of the series, Mothership titles.

About Radiant Mythology Timeline
""Tales of the World: Radiant Mythology" and its direct sequels feature the same secondary character 'Kanonno Earhart,' although her second name is not mentioned in the original. Each game takes place in a different universe though they are connected as Radiant Mythology 2's Kanonno is a reincarnation of the first game's Kanonno's desire to be human."

Kanonno Earhart is the Kanonno from Radiant Mythology 2. The Kanonno in the first Radiant Mythology is Pasca Kanonno. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.217.57.181 (talk) 20:53, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

The Aselian Movement
Why delete this??? Seriously! It's legitimate, I provided a link for it and it's strongly related to the Tales Series. I even put it under "Other". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tosfan4ever (talk • contribs) 04:31, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

Wait, what are you serious!?

If Operation Rainfall and Operation Moonfall can have their own Wiki pages, why can't I talk about The Aselian Movement? It's not used as a promotion, it's a legitimate fan campaign similar to Operation Rainfall and Operation Moonfall!

This is unfair, uncalled for and completely unreasonable. AGAIN, if Operation Rainfall and Operation Moonfall can have their own articles, why can't The Aselian Movement!?

This makes absolutely no sense at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tosfan4ever (talk • contribs) 22:30, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Tales of Dice sources

 * http://www.siliconera.com/2012/04/26/tales-of-the-world-dice-adventure-goes-live-heres-how-you-can-play-it/
 * http://www.siliconera.com/2011/12/19/tales-rpg-series-rolls-the-dice-on-board-game-adaptation/
 * http://www.siliconera.com/2011/12/12/this-spring-namcos-tales-series-invades-your-browser/
 * http://andriasang.com/comzb8/tow_dice_browser_game/
 * http://andriasang.com/comzev/tow_dice_adventure_trailer/
 * http://www.vg247.com/2011/12/12/namco-to-introduce-tales-of-browser-title/
 * http://www.joystiq.com/2011/12/12/namcos-tales-series-going-on-a-browser-based-dice-adventure/

Sources for future use. Sergecross73  msg me   01:06, 26 September 2012 (UTC)


 * From what I see at WikiProject Video games/Sources, try to avoid siliconera and joystiq. Andriasang would be a more preferable source. DragonZero  ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 03:05, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm very familiar with that page, and it very clearly states Siliconera as useable when dealing with Japanese-only games. Sergecross73   msg me   10:34, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Reorganization
I plan on reorganizing the games list to match the template instead of dividing the games into "Mothership", "Sub-series", and "One-time entries" DragonZero  ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 05:20, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Is that much of a change? That's largely how the template is too. Do you mean like putting the anime and other media by its respective game? Sergecross73   msg me   14:02, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah DragonZero  ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 05:13, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I did a huge rewrite/reorganization within the last year because the article was very difficult to navigate before, but I never ended up working on the extended media stuff, since I've never seen any of the anime or anything. So go for it. If possible, I would like it so it still, to some degree, shows that there are 14 "main" games, as it does now in the "table of contents". I thought that was a helpful addition; since the games don't go by any sort of overall numbering system, I felt that was helpful in identifying how long running the series is. (The opposite end of the spectrum would be Final Fantasy, which very obviously just released its 14th game in its series due to its numbering convention. Tales lacks this, and the template, while great, doesn't express that either...) Sergecross73   msg me   13:33, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Videos
I think we should be able to replace the screenshots with one of the new free use videos, but let me know if they don't convey the same information. File:Tales Of Symphonia - Launch Trailer.webm shows the battle system well enough, and you can make a secondary trim or GIF of the battle parts, if you want. (Or even better, File:Tales of Zestiria - Tokyo Game Show Battle Trailer.webm.)  czar  00:48, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

This needs to be updated
There's a spinoff on mobile of the series in general and its called tales of link. If never heard from it, look it up and maybe play it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.170.34.130 (talk) 22:00, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

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Main Title
Why Xillia 2 is considered main title? is there any official list? --2601:647:4801:8474:1046:3276:6DC7:2257 (talk) 04:26, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Why would you assume a sequel is not part of the main series to begin with? Sergecross73   msg me  04:31, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Symphonia: Dawn of the New World DragonZero  ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 04:41, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Right, but Tales of Destiny 2 is a mainline entry though, so it's not like it's some sort "series rule" or something, nor would a sequel typically inherently be considered a spinoff or something. Regardless, I'm pretty they more directly label/classify them in Japan. (What they call "mothership titles" generally equate to mainline series, while those they label "escort titles" generally equate to "spinoffs".) Sergecross73   msg me  04:55, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yup. I was not that IP address if there was a misunderstanding there. DragonZero  ( Talk  ·  Contribs ) 23:03, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
 * No, I knew it wasn't you. I know you're pretty knowledgeable with the Tales series, we've crossed paths in related articles in the past. Sorry if I was not nice sounding in my response. It was late when I first read this. Sergecross73   msg me  00:19, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Table with all the games
The German article has a nice table with all main releases with dates and platforms in a nice table. I thought of translating it to english, and putting it in there. I am unsure what to do about the timeline. It would be redundant as all the dates are already in the table, but it is nice to see all the releases at one glance. Leberkasschnitzel (talk) 19:31, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I think we already have something pretty similar at a separate article here - List of Tales media. Sergecross73   msg me  20:40, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 8 February 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved. Ixfd64 (talk) 19:34, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Tales (series) → Tales (video game series) – Outside Japan series means (TV series) or (film series) or (novel series) to most people. In this case Tales (TV series) also exists, but that's not the point, even if it didn't (series) as a dab fails WP:CRITERIA. Alternatively since it is in Category:Video game franchises (video game franchise) would also be okay. In ictu oculi (talk) 14:38, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - And redirect Tales (series) to Tales as an R from incomplete disambiguation. Alternatively, moving it to Tales of could be a possibility, since all the games share the "of" as well.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 14:52, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Support - either proposal really. "(video game series)" is warranted due to the TV show, and "Tales of" would be a valid way to avoid disambiguation altogether, as that's it name in Japan, and is used pretty frequently in English as well. Sergecross73   msg me  14:56, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * After thinking about it more, it seems like Tales of would be better per WP:NATURALDIS. Sergecross73   msg me  19:24, 8 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. -- Netoholic @ 18:34, 8 February 2018 (UTC)  Added:  I would oppose Tales of as it looks at first glance to be a dead link or typo. Let's not WP:ASTONISH if we can avoid it. -- Netoholic @  21:29, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. The presence of Tales (TV series) makes this incomplete disambiguation. Tales (series) should redirect to disambiguation.--Cúchullain t/ c 21:59, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Move to Tales of (franchise) - Tales of over Tales to disambiguate from Tales (TV series), and (franchise) over (video game series) because it is as multimedia as it gets (anime, films, audio dramas, mangas, etc.) Ben · Salvidrim!   &#9993;  16:08, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I guess per a WP:NATURALDAB argument could be made for a disambiguator-less ', but it just looks weird/incomplete to me (per, avoid WP:ASTONISH) and seems less approachable for readers than Tales of (franchise), even though that's not a policy reason (but I'd weakly support dabless ' as well).  Ben · Salvidrim!   &#9993;  16:08, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I moved it to Tales (video game series) per above. --Ixfd64 (talk) 19:34, 14 February 2018 (UTC)


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 * Tales of Zestiria - Tokyo Game Show Battle Trailer.webm

2021 updated sales figures

 * https://www.gematsu.com/2021/03/tales-of-series-best-selling-games-announced-worldwide-japan-asia-north-america-and-europe Just thought I'd point this out since it can be so hard to find video game sales figures. Sergecross73   msg me  15:58, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Tales (video game series)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Tales (video game series)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "FamInterview": From Tales of Hearts:  From Infinite Space:  From Xenosaga:  From Sakura Wars: So Long, My Love:  From Tales of Arise:  From Tales of Vesperia:  From Yuri Lowell:  </ul>

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 13:33, 23 September 2021 (UTC)