Talk:Tales of the Jedi (TV series)

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Should this be Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi (TV series)? Star Wars.com says "Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi", but the tweet announcing the logo only used "Tales of the Jedi" (and most media seems to be using that). - Favre1fan93 (talk) 22:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I had the same question, usually the Twitter announcements have lined up with StarWars.com. TheFutonCritic also just uses Tales of the Jedi but it looks like they copied that from the tweet. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:14, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Most articles seem to be using a mix. Some in headers, some just at ends of articles, and some using both Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi and Tales of the Jedi in article. WP:COMMONNAME? If we did decide to move, I still think the comic series should stay at Tales of the Jedi (comics) with Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi going still to the new disambiguation page. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:24, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I think we can stick with this as COMMONNAME until we get confirmation (once it is on Disney+ we should know for sure). And I agree about the disambig. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:25, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * This is a common problem for all Star Wars branded content. Even just looking at the logo, it looks like they are just branding the show for recognition. Similar discussions just took place on Skeleton Crew, and maybe a local Star Wars wikiproject essay can generate some recommendations. The comic technically had the Star Wars branding as well, much like the Ahsoka novel/TV series issues. This goes all the way to Empire Strikes Back. Obviously there is the common usage is sources, but sometimes, it seems like the branding is inseparable from a particular title. Visions, for example. I’m not a total SW nut, but I can’t really think of much content that isn’t slapped with the brand. Tales of the Jedi seemingly carries some of it's own recognition, but it can always be moved again as needed. -2pou (talk) 23:30, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * But with the other series it is clear what the official name is, separate from the logos. This is the first new series where we have contradictory evidence from Lucasfilm. - adamstom97 (talk) 23:32, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Season 2 will be known as "Tales of the Empire"
New season has just been announced. Unclear how the article should now be named because it is all part of the same anthology series. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:38, 4 April 2024 (UTC)


 * That article doesn't say second season, sounds like a new similar series, so be a new article similar to this with links between them? Indagate (talk) 17:49, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * But it does call Tales of the Jedi the first season and it says "the next installment in the critically-acclaimed series", so that sounds like it is a second season rather than a new series. I think we just leave the article as is for now and add the S2 details. In the future we may get a new name to refer to both seasons that we could use for this article, similar to what Deadline says: "the second installment of the Tales franchise". - adamstom97 (talk) 17:52, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Star Wars: Tales might be appropriate? - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:57, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * We would need a better source, or at least more sources supporting that becoming the common name. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:31, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The fact that the official press release is where the "second installment of the "Tales" series" wording comes from is interesting. We might be able to use that for a move to Star Wars: Tales. - adamstom97 (talk) 19:05, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw that wording in the Gizmodo article, but couldn't actually find the release (it is on Disney's media site too FYI). Now I guess the question becomes is "Star Wars: Tales" the most appropriate title? I think it is, because simply using "Tales" would need a disambiguation, and this provides a WP:NATURAL one. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree. - adamstom97 (talk) 19:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm happy to give it another day or two to see if any other editors have thoughts. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:39, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I'd be fine with Star Wars: Tales. That title seems to fit with what had been raised in this discussion.Historyday01 (talk) 21:39, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm going to boldly make this move. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:40, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Restored title. Please open a RM if you believe this is the the correct title. I'll note though that Disney+ has two different series listing for these so this seems like a made up Wiki title. Gonnym (talk) 10:41, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Gonnym, this move was made months ago with talk page consensus and has not been contested in that time, you should not have just moved it back without discussion. There is no requirement to use RM. - adamstom97 (talk) 10:43, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * 3 editors talking in a private discussion among themselves and waiting 2 days to get consensus is not consensus, nor is it following policy or guidelines and is not even what the official Disney+ listing calls it. The move was bad. Start a RM if you feel this is correct. I oppose the above move. Gonnym (talk) 11:58, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

I have restored this article title. , not everything needs to have an RM, and the consensus above was formed in a valid way. If you disagree, then let's start a new discussion (or continue here in this thread) to resolve, but restoring the old title was not the solution. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:43, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * The move was without a discussion that was published and lasted two days. That's nowhere near how it should. A move can be opposed to even months later, which is why we have WP:RM/T. Any discussion should start from the name it was before the controversial change. Gonnym (talk) 16:58, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * courtesy ping as I've started an RM on the matter below. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:27, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Shorts
Shouldn't the introductory paragraph say "American Television shorts"? Television series would refer to full fledged TV series about 30 minutes to 1 hour long. Shorts refers to those less than 10 minutes. JEDIMASTER2008 (talk) 01:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)


 * It is still a series, but we should note that it is a series of shorts rather than a series of episodes. - adamstom97 (talk) 07:36, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 2 July 2024
Tales of the Jedi (TV series) → Star Wars: Tales – Since this move made nearly three months ago has been objected to, here is an RM. I personally don't agree with the need as consensus was reached on the matter. Never the less, this anthology series had its first installment released as (formally) Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi (commonly Tales of the Jedi) in October 2022, with it announced in April 2023 that it would get a second season (wording used by media outlets, though the quote from Filoni was "Tales of the Jedi was so fun the first time, I decided to do some more.") Subsequently, it was announced a year later in April 2024 that this second "season" was a new "installment", Star Wars: Tales of the Empire (commonly Tales of the Empire). This press release shows the use of both formal names as well as the key quote in my view (and the determination of the previous consensus) that Tales of the Empire was the second installment of the "Tales" series. Thus, an appropriate name to address this anthology series considering the formal name would be Star Wars: Tales, which provides a WP:NATURAL name. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 17:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 05:42, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Support as nom and the previous uncontroversial/WP:BOLDMOVE consensus to this title previously. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:26, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * WP:RMCOMMENT, you shouldn't be adding an additional support as your RM is your support. Gonnym (talk) 09:13, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. I don't think every title change that gets an undiscussed move necessitates grounds for a full RM just to "officially" signify past consensus from a discussion, though here we are. Star Wars: Tales is a more official title for this series as has been brought up and proven already and it provides a WP:NATURAL disambiguation. This title was not contested until moved it without first adequately consulting the established consensus at this talk, and it should not have been moved by them in the first place without much discussion beforehand. Trailblazer101 (talk) 18:54, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Gonnym should not have moved the page back (twice!) without gaining consensus first. - adamstom97 (talk) 20:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose. A two day discussion that was not publicized anywhere is not a real discussion nor is it consensus. While bold moves are allowed, once objected, they must go through RM. It's a bit concerning that a small group of well-intentioned editors have seemingly created their own personal fiefdom in a group of articles. Regarding the issue, part of the reason WP:CRYSTAL (a policy) exists, is that some things that are planned are eventually changed by the time that they actually happen. Take this an example, Favre gives this as a source for the page move. That article was published a month before Tales of the Empire premiered. When it did, it  join Tales of the Jedi on Disney+ as a new season but instead received a new entry. IMDb and Wookieepedia entries are also different between the two shows (see Tales of the Jedi (TV series) for the links). This is a clear example of how jumping to conclusions has created on en.wiki an incorrect title (and article) that does not match the real-world situation. I'd advise anyone closing it to remember that consensus is not based on counting votes. To comment on one of the above (as one vote did not add anything), Star Wars: Tales is a more official title for this series as has been brought up and proven already and it provides a WP:NATURAL disambiguation. not it hasn't and WP:NATURAL has nothing to do with two different series sharing an article, nor do we shy away from "(TV series)" in disambiguation and look for other  options. Gonnym (talk) 09:10, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There is no requirement to publicise discussions elsewhere, especially when they appear to be uncontroversial. You are the one who made a bold edit when you decided to revert the move several months later with no discussion, and you violated WP:BRD when you re-reverted after your bold move was undone. The article needs to be restored until a new consensus is formed. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I would just like to note that IMDb and Wookipedia are not reliable sources and are generated by users, so those cannot be taken as concrete evidence to support something without a third-party reliable source (which Gonnym has not supplied through all of this for their rationale). Since other wikis were brought up, the Disney wiki also uses "Star Wars: Tales" as the sole series title, though, again, those wikis are all unreliable and we should not base our site off of those. These are clearly not two different series (and no source was provided to support that). See the third paragraph in the Development section which verifies Empire being developed as the second season (or rather, at the very least, the second set of shorts in the Tales series), which was agreed upon per the talk discussion above, so there is consensus for that change (not the most recent ones). I will note that how content is placed on Disney+ does not solely determine what it is, and that service has a tendency to change how such content is even arranged. While I still want to assume good faith, I'm starting to have slight WP:I don't like it concerns here with repeated violations of procedures in the name of being right. The WP:STATUSQUO of this article being for both collections of shorts under the cited title Star Wars: Tales should have remained in place and not been altered before a proactive discussion took place. Plus, the way this article currently stands with its title is erroneous and incorrect for the contents of the article.
 * To bring in some additional sources for context, on Disney+, Jedi is called a "a 6 episode event" while Empire is "a six episode journey", while StarWars.com also called Jedi the first season when the second was announced. Space.com also called Jedi the "predecessor" of Empire. Contrasting this, IGN, Collider, and Screen Rant both say Jedi season 2 became Empire, not that is somehow no longer the second season. No sources have been provided that explicitly state Empire is not season 2, and we should not be changing this article based on the opinion of one lone editor. If need be, it may be a good compromise to alter mentions of this being a single series to being a collection of animated shorts as some sources provided have called it, if the season ambiguity post-release does not suffice other's concerns. Trailblazer101 (talk) 21:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * if you have issue with Star Wars: Tale as a "main" landing page for what is clearly an anthology-style series of distinctly named "seasons", what is your suggestion? There is not enough information in my opinion to justify articles at both Tales of the Jedi (TV series) and Tales of the Empire given until the Empire title was revealed, it assumed we would be getting Tales of the Jedi season 2. I will note that all relevant article titles for these two names were redirected here after the subsequent move. I don't see how the fact that each are their own entry on Disney+ has any relevance to how we collect and present the info here. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:40, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Relisting comment: Additional relist, to allow discussion of what name is used by reliable and independent sources BilledMammal (talk) 05:42, 21 July 2024 (UTC)