Talk:Talia al Ghul

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Talia Head
I added the Citation Needed tag after the comment concerning the use of the name Talia Head. I could not verify this in any DC literature. Furthermore, Talia al-Ghul translates from Arabic as "The Next Ghoul." Thus, Talia's surname would be anglicized as "Ghoul" not "Head." (The Arabic word for head is Ra's, her father's name.) It may be possible that this was a mistranslation on part of some authors but like I said, I have not seen a reference to Talia using the surname Head in any official DC literature. Furthermore, if she has, it is most likely out of hommage to her father (not an anglicization of her name) since Talia Head would be the same as saying Talia Ra's. 76.178.95.99 (talk) 02:10, 4 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Regarding "I could not verify this in any DC literature": The entire time she was running LexCorp while Lex Luthor was President of the United States, she used the name "Talia Head". That's multiple years worth of comics, around the late 1990s and early 2000s, in which she used that name. —Lowellian (reply) 19:56, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The 2005 edition of DC Comics' Batman Villains Secret Files and Origins lists Talia's "real name" as "Talia Head" in her and Nyssa Raatko's biography. It further states "..Talia eventually distanced herself from both men and, taking the English translation of her surname, 'Head', as her American last name, became CEO of LexCorp." She used the "Head" last name both in the Superman comics and Batman comics (such as Batman: Death and the Maidens). Easyjusteasy (talk) 06:44, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * That quote actually serves to make a case for her *real* name being Talia al Ghul, since it refers to Head as being an English translation of her name. Nobody denies that some stories have used Head as her surname, but I still think that al Ghul is more common and more accepted. Euchrid (talk) 21:24, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Image
I'm not sure if this is the best image for Talia, simply because I don't believe that it represets her character as it is usually depicted. She doesn't have a costume in the manner of most characters, but some sort of leather is pretty standard for her, and she usually looks more like a villain and less like a terrified girl. The point of the image is to show the most common form of the character, and I don't believe that this image does that. I don't have any particular image to suggest as a replacement, but if people feel the same way I'd be happy to try and track one down.Euchrid (talk) 01:47, 18 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree. So I changed it to a modern Talia depiction such as from Batman & Son. Most people familiar with this century's version of the character or its recent popularization will expect something different than the previous image. Easyjusteasy (talk) 06:44, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Arkham City
The section on Arkham City is ridiculously oversized, listing literally everthing she does in the entire game gives undue weight to that portrayal of the character. I think that it should be trimmed back to a two or three sentence summary - any objections? Euchrid (talk) 03:21, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Move
Where was the discussion about the article move which just took place? Seems like a pretty drastic change to make without one. Euchrid (talk) 04:41, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * In addition, since this took me roughly five minutes to find, I'm sure that there are many more examples of her full name being given as Talia al Ghul: Euchrid (talk) 04:44, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Some example of Talia al Ghul name used by DC Comics website :   , so I change the name back to Talia al Ghul. - Idej Elixe (talk) 14:04, 14 August 2012 (UTC)


 * She is called Talia al Ghul in some individual comic panels and in video games such as Arkham City's character biography screen. I wouldn't say that it's used the far vast majority of the time in fiction, however. It is used a lot by third-party media about the character to immediately associate her with Ra's al Ghul, though. Easyjusteasy (talk) 06:44, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Talia al Ghul in other media
Yay or nay? Talia al Ghul in other media, such as Joker in other media and many other examples. Easyjusteasy (talk) 05:57, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * No. There is no need for a spin-off for a relatively minor character, esp. not since the current article is already excessive long and detailed, and has only a dozen and a half or so reliable secondary sources. Drmies (talk) 06:02, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Excessive detail etc.
First of all, this article is bloated with needless descriptions of plot--why they are needless I explained here, for instance. This is an article on a character and fluffing it with plot summary (of things that have articles already) is excessive: it makes for a bad article, Wikipedia is not a fan site. Second, I removed some all-too lengthy quotes; such quoting falls foul of the guidelines for fair use, see Non-free content, esp. Non-free_content. In fact, the quotes that remain should be removed. But the more general point is that this article contains way too much material that does not describe the character with the help of reliable, secondary sources: tags for in-universe and fan site are actually quite appropriate. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 06:00, 4 January 2013 (UTC)


 * In terms of plot, this article wasn't different than just about every character article I've ever looked at on WP over the years, particularly video games, comics, and the like. Not sure why this one is on anyone's radar and is target du jour for mass deletion (I didn't write most of the plot in the other media section.) The brief quotes were put there by myself to show that sources are not being fabricated, an all too common occurrence when people do not quote things on WP. I have access to the published encyclopedias and books referenced in regard to the topic (including DC Comics published character bios), as well as comics to check every now and then that nonsense or misinformation wasn't being put in. TL;DR It would just have been nicer to tag the article. Easyjusteasy (talk) 09:10, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
 * TLDNR? One paragraph? And that paragraph a lot shorter than any of the ones I found in the article. It may be nicer to tag, but that's "nice" in the 14th-17th century use of the word. Editing is better than tagging. "Target du jour" is neither here nor there, and that other articles are likewise bloated is a reason to improve those other articles. If you have access to reliable information, add those references, sure--but please don't consider biography an occasion for plot summary. Hope that wasn't too long, Drmies (talk) 15:07, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

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 * Lexa Doig as Talia in Arrow.webp

Main Description
Talia has not appeared in over 700 distinct comic book issues. Comic vine, while a very useful resource, lists foreign language reprints, collected editions, British publications, and more as separate "issues." Her first appearance alone is likely listed on comic vine 20 different times, based on how many times it's been collected and reprinted. 220.74.25.15 (talk) 11:00, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

New Main Image
1971 are you guys serious, like can you please give her a more recent main image like what Cordelia Van Allen (talk) 20:30, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

"One of the greatest films of all time"
Acynet I removed this comment, as it falls into WP:UNDUE territory - there was only a single comment by single critic to support this, and the critic himself states that the list is an

I see you've added another source, but have also been pretty insistent on keeping this section - edit warring with at least one other editor over trimming and removal. Can you clarify why you think it's so important - and also find some more sources to support your stance of "greatest film[s] of all time". for such a grandiose claim, you really need more than just the two sources. Chaheel Riens (talk) 07:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
 * In fact, I've just been reading the section again, and I'm not sure that any of it is valid content. This is an article about Talia al Ghul - not the Dark Knight films.  Whist it's fine to say that Cotillard's portrayal has been praised, there's no need to extrapolate that to then include accolades for the film.  Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)