Talk:Tall ship

Sorting order
The list of vessels is in some kind of order. Should the list of vessels be in alphabetical order by their name, with prefixes like HMS and USS not considered part of their name? I think so. -- Geo Swan 19:53, 2005 Mar 6 (UTC)

ASTA
I'm tempted to remove the thing about the American Sail Training Association. Any vessel likely to participate in this kind of race is going to be over 30ftLWL, so their definition of a "tall ship" essentially depends on who is sailing it, and applies to more or less any kind of vessel. This is manifestly incorrect and could confuse readers about what a tall ship is. PeteVerdon


 * Why remove it? Agreed, their definition is really watered down, but it is a fact. They consider it correct, and that other people may find it ludicrous is rather irrelevant, I think. At the very least mentioning their view may help people who only know this ASTA definition to get the wider picture without going "whoa, the ASTA says so-and-so, let's keerect this article!". Lupo 29 June 2005 08:47 (UTC)

Trademark
What's the matter with the US Patent & Trademark Office in that they allowed ASTA to register Tall Ships as a trademark? I wish someone would ignore it, get ASTA to sue them, and have the trademark registration voided once and for all. No one should be allowed to declare as a TM or SM, much less register it, a common, generic term as used in its original use. Tall Ships brand vodka? Fine. That'd be okay. Tall Ships brand marine paint? Go for it. But Tall Ships brand tall ships??? Ridiculous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.245.129.240 (talk) 17:27, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Photos
I added some pictures of the rig from above and below. Arguably not as beautiful as the ships themselves from afar, but a bit of variety. PeteVerdon 20:59, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

List of Ships
The list of "modern tall ships" is getting rather big. Should it be split out into a separate article? Susan Davis 15:50, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Need to add a ship, Don't know how
The Elissa of Galveston Texas is paged at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elissa_(ship) I used to sail on her. Nice ship

Cremyll-sailing
There are links in this page to numerous other Tal lShip charities all of whom offer voyages at heavily subsidised prices to disadvantaged people American Sail Training Association, Cutty Sark Tall Ships' Race, Tall Ships Challenge, Jubilee Sailing Trust why do you want to discriminate against us. either organisations like ours can have links or not. It is not for one individual to decide which links are allowed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.3.88.198 (talk) 17:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

The link provides little information on tall ships but you can book a weeks trip at £650. Please see WP:LINKSPAM before reintroducing the link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Inwind (talk • contribs) 10:05, 4 November 2007 (UTC)  I have removed the link as it is definitely spam. --Dmol 17:25, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Just deleting something you do not agree with is not acceptable. Several organisations like us have links on this page. You might regard our site as just an ad, but we are a respected registered charity that operates a museum and sail training vessel and has a contribution to make to the world of tall ships. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.3.88.198 (talk) 20:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It appears to be WP:SPAM to me, too Jauerback 21:07, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * unquestionably spam, has been removed. Do not reinsert without consensus. Some of the other links are questionable as well. for the Univ. of Washington one, why is their collection so much better than anyone else's that it should be listed? DGG (talk) 21:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi DGG, I am a Wiki beginner and put a link to our charity site on this page on 18:20, 27 December 2006 adding to many other similar useful links to other charities in the Tall Ships field. on 19:14, 31 October 2007 Inwind created separate article for list of tall ships and at this time reference to our charity was deleted but many references and links to similar organisations were left in. On putting our link back in a seem to have triggered a response of editors looking for changes such as Jauerback who have never even considered the merits of our link relative to others. This approach seems radom and without effort. Can you give me some guidance on how these issues are properly resolved? Why do you decide to remove only my link and yet at the same time express disquiet about other links? Thank You for helping me 86.3.88.198 22:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

long ships were made by Laura Smyth —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.66.179 (talk) 16:28, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

We hae another ship to add
See the end of the article on Oliver Hazard Perry and the citations therein. Largest privately owned educational tall ship in the United States. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 21:15, 5 October 2010 (UTC) Stan

Tall Ship Length Information
Seems like many of the ships listed in the table, especially the Russian/Ukranian ships are listed at their FULL length including the bowsprint, rather than without it, as the table is supposed to include and as many of the other ships are listed. Information on ship length without bowsprint seems to be lacking on many of the ships. The table should updated to included either known full length for all ships (this information seems to be easily found), or length known length without bowsprint ONLY for those ships for which this informations is available.

Where's the USS Constellation?
The USS Constellation would seem to be an obvious candidate for this page, but it's not listed. Anyone know why?John D. Goulden (talk) 02:36, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Link rot.
I've cleared out almost the entire external links. Aside from the obvious dead links, what remained was a mix of pure spam, links to links, links to galleries, and others that were either too specific to the subject of tall ships or not about it in any way.

I put in edit notes for each removal, rather than doing it en masse. If anyone feels that a particular link should be replaced, please add edit note or discuss here first.

The remaining link is borderline, I'm not sure it should stay.--Dmol (talk) 22:14, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

The Fregatte "Hermione"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_frigate_Hermione_(2014) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.114.128.118 (talk) 07:54, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Limit scope to Sail Training International terminology -- trim gallery
Since "tall ship" is a colloquial term, as well as one used by a specific organization, Sail Training International (STI), this article should direct all non-STI usage to Sailing ship. This general content and the content at Windjammer belong there.

Additionally, the Gallery section of this article is just a collection of images, which do not support WP:GALLERY, which says:


 * A gallery section may be appropriate in some Wikipedia articles if a collection of images can illustrate aspects of a subject that cannot be easily or adequately described by text or individual images. Just as we seek to ensure that the prose of an article is clear, precise and engaging, galleries should be similarly well-crafted. Gallery images must collectively add to the reader's understanding of the subject without causing unbalance to an article or section within an article while avoiding similar or repetitive images, unless a point of contrast or comparison is being made.

I plan to drastically trim the gallery to conform to WP:GALLERY, by illustrating an example of each class of ship, as appropriate.

HopsonRoad (talk) 19:25, 3 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Last call before I make this article more specifically about STI usage, now that Sailing ship and Windjammer have been reconfigured. HopsonRoad (talk) 12:53, 8 July 2019 (UTC)