Talk:Tamara Milashkina/GA1

GA Review
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Nominator: 17:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Viriditas (talk · contribs) 19:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Reply
Thank you for the review! I nominated her because of the Women in Green drive. I will be out all day tomorrow, singing and opera, - please don't feel ignored. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)


 * There's no rush. It will take me at least another day to finish. Viriditas (talk) 21:56, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Very general reply: I was busy elsewhere on Wikipedia, and more so in real life, travelling and being with friends. I ha da chance to look only now, and am very impressed by what you found on top what's already there. I have two problems: I have no access to Grove, and I don't know Russian. Details below. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Not a problem. I will request the Grove source to see if there's anything usable, but it's not a big deal, so don't worry about it for now.  I think you misunderstood my concern about ru.  It's not that you have to know Russian, but if you use the in-browser translation (or however you use your translation tools, Firefox does it automatically in my browser for me), you can easily see the missing material. Viriditas (talk) 21:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Of course, if you like, I could make a detailed listing of this material to help you. At the very least, translate  Grosheva (1983) to your preferred language of choice and make your way through the material. Viriditas (talk) 21:23, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That's very generous. English preferred to not run into another translation problem. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've been adding the relevant parts of Grosheva 1983 to this review below. Viriditas (talk) 20:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I added from Grosheva to the article, seeing that you seem not to be afraid of "promotional" writing. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Criteria
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria


 * 1) Is it well written?
 * A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct:
 * B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation:
 * 1) Is it verifiable with no original research, as shown by a source spot-check?
 * A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:
 * B. Reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose):
 * C. It contains no original research:
 * D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism:
 * No copyright or plagiarism detected.
 * 1) Is it broad in its coverage?
 * A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:
 * Minor issues noted above. For reference, ru.wikipedia.org has unique info that does not appear here.
 * B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style):
 * 1) Is it neutral?
 * It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
 * No neutrality issues detected.
 * 1) Is it stable?
 * It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
 * 1) Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
 * A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content:
 * B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass or Fail:
 * Minor issues for nominator to review listed in order of importance:
 * 1) The idea that Milashkina "first worked as a librarian" is unclear, and may be a translation error. It appears she attended and graduated from a library college program. I do not see any indication that she worked as a librarian. Let's try to get this right.
 * 2) Other wikis have more information about the topic that does not appear here. For example, the entries at ru and fr. Fr uses the Grove Music source that should probably be looked at. Ru also has an image that isn't used here and goes into greater critical detail that could be used here (easily because it cites English language sources).
 * I tried to find those sources in English, but found none, also found that several sources couldn't be found any more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:17, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) We don't see the listing of all the awards and honors here like we do on ru and fr.
 * see below: not without references --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * See above for new reference to the material. Viriditas (talk) 22:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) The Ru article is quite comprehensive and has a wealth of material, from discography to critical commentary from her peers, a filmography, and much more. I would like to see some effort to broaden the coverage here.  The bio by Grosheva (1983) is probably a good place to start, as it is comprehensive up to 1983 and is three pages long..  At best, just take a look and see if you can find anything to add.  My guess is that there's a lot to do, even it means adding just appendices.
 * This bio was published by the Bolshoi theatre, - did you see in recent DYK discussions that what Oper Frankfurt and Staatstheater Wiesbaden publish about their singers and stage directors was marked as "promotional", and use of it as reference as an ethical problem? Taking to External links. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Minor issues for nominator to review listed in order of importance:
 * 1) The idea that Milashkina "first worked as a librarian" is unclear, and may be a translation error. It appears she attended and graduated from a library college program. I do not see any indication that she worked as a librarian. Let's try to get this right.
 * 2) Other wikis have more information about the topic that does not appear here. For example, the entries at ru and fr. Fr uses the Grove Music source that should probably be looked at. Ru also has an image that isn't used here and goes into greater critical detail that could be used here (easily because it cites English language sources).
 * I tried to find those sources in English, but found none, also found that several sources couldn't be found any more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:17, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * 3) We don't see the listing of all the awards and honors here like we do on ru and fr.
 * see below: not without references --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * See above for new reference to the material. Viriditas (talk) 22:08, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * 4) The Ru article is quite comprehensive and has a wealth of material, from discography to critical commentary from her peers, a filmography, and much more. I would like to see some effort to broaden the coverage here.  The bio by Grosheva (1983) is probably a good place to start, as it is comprehensive up to 1983 and is three pages long..  At best, just take a look and see if you can find anything to add.  My guess is that there's a lot to do, even it means adding just appendices.
 * This bio was published by the Bolshoi theatre, - did you see in recent DYK discussions that what Oper Frankfurt and Staatstheater Wiesbaden publish about their singers and stage directors was marked as "promotional", and use of it as reference as an ethical problem? Taking to External links. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

On hold. Viriditas (talk) 09:54, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Good work, Gerda. I am passing this article. Viriditas (talk) 22:25, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Questions
The Russian Wikipedia has lists of awards, roles, recordings and films, but I can't detect references for them.

Example: Awards
 * All-Union Vocalists Competition (1957, first prize and gold medal)
 * International competition within the framework of the VI World Festival of Youth and Students in Moscow (1957, first prize)
 * Honoured Artist of the RSFSR (1965)
 * People's Artist of the RSFSR (1968)
 * People's Artist of the USSR (1973)
 * Glinka State Prize of the RSFSR (1978) - for her performance as Dona Anna in the opera The Stone Guest by A. S. Dargomyzhsky
 * Order of Lenin (1976)
 * Order of the Red Banner of Labour (1971) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:24, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Just published: Viriditas (talk) 21:07, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the find, that's great to have, also for other details, even if I'm afraid it's more or less a mirror of the ru Wikipedia. Will add after my morning round - in memory of Leoš Janáček and Kafka, going to upload pics of the latter - and today's RD article. Anything like it about films? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I moved the awards to the article, but the ref is good only for most, not all entries, - leaving some without. I also used the ref for other details. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:41, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * That's fine. The article looks great.  Are we done, or do you want to do some more work? Viriditas (talk) 22:09, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * How do you feel about moving "Awards" to the bottom, after "Recordings"? Viriditas (talk) 22:10, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I think it's probably fine. I will pass now. Viriditas (talk) 22:23, 3 July 2024 (UTC)