Talk:Tamil Nadu/Archive 1

Tamil Nadu Article...beginnings
The accurate name for the IT Park mentioned in "Software" section should be International Tech Park, Chennai or ITPC for short.

KittynMeow 10:52, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

I noticed that sections 11 - 16 are replicated and are actually sections 5 - 10. I guess its been there for quite some time. Do we remove it or is it done purposefully. I was also thinking a section on South Indian cusine could be added. Yogi (talk) 9 July 2005 07:06 (UTC)

Could use a infobox or a taxobox instead of the table to present the facts. Makes it look neat. Yogi (talk) 8 July 2005 12:15 (UTC)

Reference to Marina being the second longest beach is almost certainly apocryphal. Should be removed.

--Ramesh 05:35, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

BV - "tamil nadu" in tamil is written wrongly. Please change it accordingly.

Kishore, Is it not Vijayanagar empire?
 * -- Sundar 06:00, Apr 7, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks Sundar for pointing out the error.


 * --Kishore 09:26, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I've just added the Tamil script but I've found both "&#2980;&#2990;&#3007;&#2996;&#3021; &#2984;&#3006;&#2975;&#3009;" and "&#2980;&#2990;&#3007;&#2996;&#3021;&#2984;&#3006;&#2975;&#3009;" without the space - can somebody tell me a bit about this? &mdash; Hippietrail 14:07, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)


 * "&#2980;&#2990;&#3007;&#2996;&#3021;" and "&#2984;&#3006;&#2975;&#3009;" are two distinct words meaning "Tamil" (adj.) and "country" respectively, but they are occasionally written together (compare compound adjectives and nouns in, say, Sanskrit and German). Since the option with a space is much more common, I'd recommend leaving the article the way it is. Ambarish | Talk 19:25, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)

--Ramesh 05:35, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

This wiki looks lot like a text book stuff. Any attempts to rewrite? Should I start a /Temp? - RC 20:38, May 16, 2005 (UTC)

Trading with the Romans in the 14th - 16th Centuries? I suspect the reference is supposed to be to one or more of the European powers, but would need someone actually familar with it to fix it. I came across it as part of a project to disambiguate the links for Romans, but this information is at a minimum in need of an explanation of what the people in the area meant when referring to Romans and at most a correction. I am deleting the link, but leaving the text intact. --165.247.168.157 06:22, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Is the reference to Panchamukha Anjaneya temple in Tiruvallur (tourism.. right in the end) really necessary here while more important temples being left out? I think it should find a place in Tiruvallur page or Hanuman page, and not here. -srini 16:18, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

"...The British fought with the various European powers, notably the French at Vandavasi (Wandiwash) in 1760, and the Dutch at Tharangambadi (Tranquebar), driving the Dutch away entirely, and reducing the Fre..." Tharangambadi a Dutch colony? Danish perhaps?

cleaned up English in Economy section, but...
I do think it sounds very clunky in general. It doesn't flow smoothly and probably could do with a 70% rewrite, although i doubt anybody would like to go through that. It will probably have to be achieved through aggressive step-by-step rewording and editing.
 * Will try to find some time for that. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:50, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Reply to Ram
Hi Ram, I'm addressing you through this talk page as you seem to have not registered as an user. You might want to consider registering yourself by simply entering an username and a password at Special:Userlogin.

Thanks for appreciating my edits to Chennai. Bulk of the content came from User:Brhaspati followed by an initiative from User:Nichalp to bring it up to FA status. I only helped these people.

I agree that Tamil Nadu (the article) is in a mess right now. Will try to do some cleanup. But, I don't have much time to spend here to bring it up to FA status. If other people also chime in, it might be possible.

-- Sundar \talk \contribs 04:04, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

I've made a minor removal of a couple sentences from the intro which covered the history of other Indian states. This article was far too long, and rambling (especially the history section). Some unnecessary phrases here and there should be removed.

-- Chola 6 December 2005 (UTC)

USD
Hi, I have disambiguated use of $ with the suffix of USD (United States Dollar), as per the style guide. However, I am wondering why we include US dollar amounts at all, given that the english wikipedia is used by more than just Americans, and further, that India generally implies, by Wikipedia tradition, use of British terms and spelling. Should we remove the "translation" of currency amounts into other currencies or perhaps switch to/add mention of £Stirling amounts instead? --Improv 13:33, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Use Rs only. Apart form anything else, you get into such unnecessary questions as what exchange rate to use. Imc 19:28, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Recorded History
The first sentence in the History section says:
 * "Tamil Nadu's recorded history dates back about 6000 years..."

I believe this is an innaccurate statement. Tamil Nadu does not have a recorded history going back 6000 years. The earliest 'recorded history is not older than the fifth century C.E. What we think as history in the types of the Sangam legends are just that - legends. It is sad that we Tamils suffer from this habit of pre-assuming our greatness rather than objectively documenting our history. We ARE a gret people, but that doesnot mean we have to have had the oldest civilisation.

parthi 19:12, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Cities??
Since when did Avadi and Ambattur become cities? :) They are both suburbs of chennai and it is highly misleading to have these listed in the same league as Chennai, Coimbatore etc. I don't know why/how the Category - Tamil Nadu lists these two, but I think they should be removed. --Madhu 20:13, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

History of Tamil Nadu
I have crearted a sub article History of Tamil Nadu and edited and ondenced the history section of this article. - Parthi (Venu62) 22:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment from a reader: I find the history part not neutral, in particular, anti-British. It skips the three centuries of British rules, merely listing a few names of those who opposed British rule. I was hoping to learn about Tamil Nadu under British rule, and I was disappointed. I didn't edit anything, because I don't know enough, but I hope someone else will make a neutral edit of this period of history. 19 Jan 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.120.12.10 (talk) 23:14, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

M.S. Udhayamoorthy
Tamil_Nadu has someone named M.S. Udayamoorthy which has been there for many months. Who is he ? Google gives 21 hits, most of which has the same entry as in the article. Tintin (talk) 05:22, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know about him. But, IMO, the whole section of "notable people" should be done away with as it's difficult to draw the line. If there's consensus, the list can be removed or moved to List of people from Tamil Nadu. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 08:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * http://www.makkalsakthi.org/   Doctor Bruno    22:01, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Unbalanced Article
Although, the article is long and detail, it does not provide a balanced view about Tamil Nadu. The economy section can be shorted and details can be transferred to a separate article: Tamil nadu economy. I agree with Sundar, that Famous Tamilians of Modern era does not provide much information about the topic under the discussion, and just a link in the See also section or people section should be sufficient.

Social ills such as inequality, poverty, “gated communities”, slums, lack of equal treatment for women, killing of female children, cast system etc are glossed over or  not mention at all.

This seems like an article written by a person for some sort of ego boost. --Natkeeran 05:37, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Natkeeran, this article is in a bad condition right now. May be someone should take it up. Feel free to improve it. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 06:17, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Notable people
I feel that this section needs to removed from the article. If no one comes up with a convincing argument as to why this list should not be removed until monday, I'll remove that. -- Sundar \talk \contribs 13:12, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Such a list is inherently subjective because we'd not able to draw a line on the N people whose names can be here.
 * This gives room for a lot of fancruft.
 * The same logic that holds against a trivia section - if someone is notable and RELEVANT enough to be mentioned in this article, then there would be some context in which he can be mentioned as part of the prose; there's no need for a separate list at the end.
 * If at all one wants to have a list, let there be a separate list elsewhere and not in this list. Ideally, even a separate list article needs to be based on a verifiable attribute. For example, List of Chief Ministers of Tamil Nadu, List of Speakers of Tamil Nadu Legislative Assembly, List of Vice-Chancellors of Universities in Tamil Nadu, List of Gnanpith award winners from Tamil Nadu, List of Indian Hockey team members from Tamil Nadu etc.,

Citation for Tolerant state
I think if some one can dig up the stats and compare the religiuos riots % in various states and then compare the incidence of rape, that can serve as a citation for the stanza '' 	The mutual interaction of various philosophies, schools of thought, and religious ideologies in the state has made it one of the most tolerant and universalistic states. Women enjoy a high level of respect and protection.'' When we are not able to give this proof, such a sentence may not satisfy WP:V Doctor Bruno 13:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

The statement "but by and large Tamil Nadu has the reputation of being more xenophobic than other states in India." is unwarranted and unfounded. Is there any evidence to suggest this, and if not, this is highly subjective. I recommend that this statement is removed.- Shankar.

Tirupur
Tirupur is not a corporation and also its not a large city.
 * I heard that they have proposed it to be changed into a corporation. See Point No 92 in the Tamil Nadu Budget 2006 - 2007 Doctor Bruno 09:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Let us add Tirupur after it become a corporation - A S Prakash

Changes to "Description" section
I have removed the information regarding the "kaveri issue" between TN and karnataka given under this section, which is completely irrelevant at this place. Also the "description" section is not describing the things properly, it could be expanded in a much better informative way Karthikc123 10:29, 29 August 2006 (UTC)karthik

FAC
Is there any one ready to cooperate and make this a FA   Doctor Bruno    22:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to spend the time to do a copyedit in preparation for a peer review. - Parthi talk/contribs 00:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I've done a bit. See below.Marcus334 (talk) 07:54, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Article not stable
The quality of the article is swinging back and forward. Recent changes by User:Asprakash, where he/she removing well written sections, and other changes such as putting back alot of data and tables has decreased the quality. I think there may be an edit war brewing towards this article. --Natkeeran 16:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Asprakash, I have reverted your changes. Please discuss your changes here. Please explain why you had blank out the education section and replace it with a list. Please add an edit summary so that others can understand what you were trying to do. Regards, Ganeshk  ( talk ) 18:07, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

where is tamil script

Room for substantial improvement in the English used in this article
Job well done on this article so far. The article is divided into neat sections, and contains good photographs (love the ones on the wind turbines and reservoir). However, work is required on diction, grammar and formatting. I urge those working on this article to look into these aspects so that this article can meet the conditions suitable for nomination to FA status (will do my part too when time allows). AppleJuggler 03:35, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Huh
"While this has been the motto of the Dravidian parties, they have constantly indulged in 'Brahmin Bashing' and even to the point where the current chief minister M Karunanidhi had once stated that his aim was to make the upper caste people wash the toilets of the so called Backward Classes. The anti Brahmin sentment has led to large scale migration of Tamil Brahmins to other parts of India..." Is this really supposed to be in this article???
 * Oops, I forgot to include my signature in the above comment. --Madhu 05:42, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The Demographics section
The text in the Demographics section of the article seems to have been copied from here. Of course, the reverse is also possible, but it certainly does not look like it. Shouldn't we be doing something about it?--Vaishu2 03:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

National /Official / Classical language
Tamil is of course the official language in Tamil nadu. "It has achieved classical language status" sounds like a competitive feat "achieved". I have changed this into "it is one of the two classical languages of India". Tamil is not an official language of India (Hindi is the official language, and english is an associate official language. Tamil is one of the 22 "national" languages of India as per the Indian Constitution. The logic is, no language of India is "less national" or "more national" than any other. Refer: http://india.gov.in/knowindia/india_at_a_glance.php I have made the changes, if anyone have alternative thoughts, please let me know.

There are two different versions for Tamil Nadu article on wikipedia, one you get when "Tamil Nadu" is typed, and one when "Tamil nadu" is typed for searching. Why is it so, and can the contributors do something about it? "Tamil Nadu" version has a lot of vandalism in Politics and Literature section.

Your interpretation of the Constitution is incorrect. The federal government of India located in Delhi is called the "Union". Although the general use of the world "Union" would have you believe it refers to the entire country, it is ONLY in reference to the federal government. The language the federal government (located in Delhi, a Hindi-speaking territory) is Hindi (and English). It does not make Hindi the official language of India - read it again. Hindi is the official language of the UNION, along with English. Union =/= The Republic of India, Union = Federal Government in Delhi. All the languages in Schedule 8 of the Constitution are equally Official. Just to add, I am Tamil but not anti-Hindi, as a matter of fact, I think Hindi should be made at least the Link Language of some sort... but my opinion has no relevance here, just trying to show I'm not being biased in my interpretation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.252.71.146 (talk) 21:23, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

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Infobox image
Map in the infobox is not visible. Probably we might want to check the resolution or something. I don't have a clear understanding of how to fix this, but an experienced editor might be able to help. Gnanapiti 04:32, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Indigenous religions table
I found these ratios from the TN government web site after some rounadabout calculations on separate data about languages and religions.

mainly Telugu

mainly Malayalam

mainly Urdu

Anwar 07:33, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Demographics
The whole section is directly lifted from Frontline. Each word is a direct copy paste from that article. The whole section should be re-written. Gnanapiti 19:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Tamil media - Newspapers, TV News channels etc..
== Tamil Nadu is said 181 times! sorry i just thought that would be an interesting fact!

Should this article have a paragraph condensing the current state of media affairs in TN? How about the influence of newspapers and the trend towards TV news channels and link them to articles on Dinamalar, Sun TV etc? Or is there another article that is already there? - RC 04:19, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Dravidian civilizations
Wiki Raja 08:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Tidel Park
Why is Tidel park being tauted as India's largest park?? While I dont have the figures, isnt ITPL (Bangalore) larger than Tidel? 122.167.80.9 (talk) Vikram. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.80.9 (talk) 20:51, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Population 2050
I see projections, for the whole of India until 2050, all over the Web (but without statewise breakup). Where can I get population estimates for Tamil Nadu and Kerala in 2050?Anwar (talk) 12:20, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Politics
This section is heavy on history, and short on contemporary politics.

Economics
Economic Section has to be reduced, I will do so if no one objects.

Culture
Incomplete, misses some important elements.

Order
1 History 2 Geography and climate 11 Fauna and Flora 11.1 Fauna 11.2 Flora 3 Governance and administration 4 Politics 4.1 Pre Indpendece 4.2 Dravidan Parties 5 Demographics and human rights 6 Education and social development 9 Economy 9.1 Macro-economic trend 9.2 Agriculture 9.3 Water Resources 9.4 Livestock, poultry and fisheries 9.5 Industry 10 Transportation 7 Culture 7.1 Language and Literature 7.2 Music 7.3 Arts and dance 7.4 Film industry 7.5 Cuisine 8 Festivals 12 Tourism 13 See also 14 References 15 External links

--Natkeeran (talk) 18:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Transgender welfare board
This website claims that the transgender welfare board in TN is believed to be the first in the country and the world. anyone has any comment or opinion about it. I am thinking of adding that info in the article. Docku (talk) 21:37, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Engineering colleges in Tamil Nadu
This is the list of Engineering colleges in Tamil Nadu as listed from Anna University website. There is a total of 250 Universities according to the website which contradicts with what is written in this article which is 350. Someone, pls help me understand. Docku (talk) 04:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Universities
This Government website says that there are only 19 Universities in Tamil Nadu as opposed to 40 in the article. Docku (talk) 04:54, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Agriculture images
I would like to propose using both of the 'paddy' images, the one from Kanyakumari as well as the one from Theni. Both of these images offer a unique and interesting view that is relevant to the section on agriculture. Also, the image of the farmers in the field near Vellore has a certain element of "human interest" because it's the only image where people are actually visible (and they are clearly engaged in agricultural pursuits). On the other hand, the image of a cluster of grapes looks exactly like a cluster of grapes from anywhere else in the world - not a unique view all. I would therefore suggest removing the image of the grapes and using the 3 larger scale images of the different agricultural areas in Tamil Nadu. I'd like to go ahead and make the change because it seems to me a very reasonable compromise, but I am certainly open to discussion if anyone has other suggestions. Doc  Tropics  16:58, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. Docku (talk) 17:23, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Schools
I am trying to make some sense out of this table about schools. Help is appreciated. Docku (talk) 16:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * This will probably do. There are 34658 rural schools and 13702 urban schools. Guess it can be updated. Docku (talk) 16:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC)


 * What is however not clear is whether primary, upper primary, secondary and higher secondary schools overlap. If it does, the number could be different and very less. Docku (talk) 16:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Reliable Source
I am copying a section from the Demographics section: '''The state, during the peak of the dravidian movement, experienced strong anti-Brahmin sentiments. The government's 69% reservation policy in educational institutions for OBCs and MBCs is, in general, resented by many forward castes for being a policy of reverse discrimination.''' I realise the first reference has nothing to do with the topic. Second reference seems to be a blog. I have a feeling that this should be removed unless a reliable source can be found. Please correct me if I am wrong. Docku (talk) 03:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The following references 34 and 35 are used to write the sentence. Reference 34 is a blog and thus can not be considered reliable source. I am doubtful of the reliability of reference 35. Please read Reliable source examples for some information. Since there is no response, I am going to remove it. Dock Hi 16:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Narcissistic Article
First section tries very hard to prove how TN is greater than India. I am from Maharashtra, and when you Tamil people were eating mud with rice (you still do) we had and still have, and will always have more industries, more GDP. And even though power is kinda fucked up these days, your call centers can't match with industries in my state. And I hate to portray my regionalism, but you always do that. And our GDP doesn't come from call center, dear software coolies. While Maharasthra gives almost 50% of taxes of whole India, we don't take pride in that and start showing off. Start section of this article just turned me off. "While India has .. TN has ..".

What I hate is this "us against them" attitude of Tamil people, always trying hard to prove how better they are than rest of the India. Well, good luck imitating American Accent in your call centers guys. If you service them well then who knows you might get a raise to Senior Customer Service Representative and increase GDP of Tamil Nadu.

Peace. Vande Mataram.


 * Interesting perspective. Pls try to keep it Civil. Docku Hi 14:22, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, this comment by the editor touches the heights of racism and regionalism. Strangely, however,no one has taken it upon him to tag the article with NPOV. Comparisons don't constitute NPOV. For example, Kerala has a literacy rate of 90+ in comparison to that of India which is around 65 and there is nothing wrong in Keralites mentioning this fact in their article- Ravichandar My coffee shop 04:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Well the article has some problems for instance the source cited for the claim that tamil civilzation is as old as mesopotamia is frankly speaking a joke. There is no argument about Tamil being an old culture ranging back to antiquity, but that doesn't justify such questionable mesopotamia comparisons. For such things the article needs to cite proper peer reviewed scientific sources and not yellow press articles.--Kmhkmh (talk) 14:16, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Such stark racism and then you try to end your unsigned article with "Peace. Vande Mataram."? First of all, get your facts perfectly right. Many companies choose to have their headquarters in the state of MH, particularly Mumbai; some of these companies don't even function that much in the state of MH. Many PSUs being a case in point. Since they are essentially headquarterd there, they pay excise duties from there. Secondly, the largest number of call centers are not based in TN. Heard of Gurgaon?

People like you (same IQ or lack of thereof; not MHians, who I am sure are not bigoted as yourself) probably vote for Lalu or some other illiterate retard.

If the start of this article (and the facts) turns you off, consider reading some other article.

Lastly, since you are incapable of debating and probably belong to some kind of radical group that's the bane of this nation, make changes to MH and write about how MH is omg the best in the world and how its full of MHians only and nobody else from outside MH. Or better still, about how you provide food to mud-eating Tamils.

Down with bigots and separatists like you. Jai Hind! 68.43.177.132 (talk) 03:32, 21 March 2009 (UTC)uribe

Oh, good grief children. Grow up - this is an encyclopedia. Spanglej (talk) 20:04, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Poor Structure/Lack of Objectivity
This article has an abundance of useful content, but it appears to be cluttered and disorderly. The structural format of the article is terrible, and some of the information, such as that mentioning the HDI in the opening section, is obviously subjective. It appears as an attempt to glorify Tamil Nadu's accomplishment in terms of HDI instead of objectively presenting the information. A better way to phrase it would be:

Tamil Nadu has an HDI of 0.736, significantly higher than the national average of 0.619.

Also, it does not seem to fit well in the opening. Perhaps moving it to the demographics section or to the table of information that accompanies the opening paragraph (to the right) would be more appropriate. Msx1692 (talk) 21:16, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, I guess your problem is with HDI. These are facts and referenced and we cant help it if it sounds glorifying. I dont mind rephrasing it but I object moving it elsewhere. Docku Hi 21:25, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I think Msx1692 has a valid point, for instance, the pages of Egypt and UK do not have the HDI in the opening section. There's no reason it should be in the opening section, at the very least, it must be rephrased to sound less glorifying.

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Last surviving classical civilization
The second paragraph of the intro: For over 2500 years, the region has been the home of the last surviving classical civilization of the world, the Tamil civilization. Just how is the Tamil/Dravidian civ. "the last surviving classical civilization"? The sources says nothing to back this up. o (talk) 07:30, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Language and Literature
The official language of India is Hindi and supported by English. Tamil is not the official language of India. Refer Languages with official status in India. I hope this clears any confusion. Sarvagyana guru (talk) 09:26, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I have rewritten this section to improve its clarity while trying not change the factual content significantly. While Tamil is the only official language of Tamil Nadu, I have clearly indicated that Hindi and English are official at the national level and widely spoken throughout the region. I did however remove a long-unsourced assertion regarding the Tamil Sangams that was problematic. Any mention of the Sangams needs should be clearly labelled as legendary or mythopoeic rather than purely historical. Doc  Tropics  17:41, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

so where did you  find tht hindi is now common & an major lang in TN ?? ...i lived there & i know evn at schools we barely learn tht .....kindly discuss here b4 adding .--  Doctor muthu's muthu    wanna talk ? 18:09, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I am not the editor who originally added Hindi and in fact I was going to remove it but it seems to be a point of contention that has been raised before so I tried instead to address it and attempted a compromise phrasing. As I understand it Hindi IS an offical language of the country and therefore recognized in Tamil Nadu, but if the word "common" isn't the correct descriptive, please do change it to be more accurate. As I mentioned above, I mostly rewrote for clarity and tried not to change the content too much.Doc  Tropics  18:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

well...good work....but i just came cuz i saw hindi as an official lang which is wrong cuz it would never happpen ....hindi in tamilnadu is never gonna be possible......hindhi has absolutely no future in tn......& moreover there was a big uproar in ta parliament when hindi was includen in the mile stones in highways & people r planning to use tamil in official proceedings in high courts which is now only english .....

& ur point tht " As I understand it Hindi IS an offical language of the country and therefore recognized in Tamil Nadu," is not true cuz we in tn dont consider as any official lang .....

btw good luck .....--  Doctor muthu's muthu    wanna talk ? 20:11, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

country of tamils !
just saw someone change the "land" to "country" in title ....i think this is the real one & naadu isnt just land but a nation ...a country & i wish it stays tht way ....but it would be nice if the preson without account contributes thru his account ....--  Doctor muthu's muthu    wanna talk ? 19:15, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Northern Province
Hi friends I have used some sections of the article from Tamil Nadu especially the Arts and Culture in Northern Province, Sri Lanka because of the cultural and lingual relation between the both the parts of country. if any one having disagreement with me, please feel free to talk with me.--BlueLankan wanna talk ?23:29, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Coffee production
this article says tamilnadu is the second largest coffee producing state. but it is FALSE. correct data is 3rd largest. because karnataka is first(70%), kerala second (24%), tamilnadu third (5%), please refer this http://indiacoffee.org/indiacoffee.php?page=CoffeeData#area
 * ✅ Moved from 2nd to 3rd. - SpacemanSpiff Calvin&#8225;Hobbes 22:38, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Population data conflict
The population data in the article's infobox conflicts with that in the List of states and union territories of India by population. The Demographics and Religion section mentions both values. Looks like the latter is from the 2001 census, while the infobox value (also mentioned in the demographics section) is an estimate as of 2008. Wouldn't it be best to stick with a single value? Casablanca2000in (talk) 03:23, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This has been discussed at WP:RSN a while back apparently (I don't have the link now, but I had the same question a while back and was told about it) and it appears to be acceptable to use the 2008 estimates from World Gazetteer for general population figures. However, that data doesn't go down to specifics like religion etc, and in those cases the 2001 census is used. Hope this helps. cheers. - Spaceman  Spiff  03:36, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Environment
I have replaced old section Flora and fauna with Environment, incorporating flora and fauna within environment and adding subsection Environmentalism with link to. Any comments? Marcus334 (talk) 18:35, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Main link above is now broken.

Lists of Environmental Organizations and Resource Persons in Tamil Nadu
You may have noticed from my Userpage that I have concentrated my Wikipedia editing on Protected Areas of Tamil Nadu. I have generally avoided Tamil Nadu, but have just started Tamil Nadu.
 * I have recently developed comprehensive Lists of Environmental Organizations and Resource Persons in Tamil Nadu which other editors objected to as a stand alone article. Please see: User_talk:Singularity42 and Talk:Environment_of_India.
 * Some have suggested that it be merged with Environment_of_India, but I think it would be best added to Tamil_Nadu.

I want help from the regular editors here on this, especially the best way to fit the sortable tables into Tamil_Nadu. What do you think? Marcus334 (talk) 22:19, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Removing subcategories for FA
I have removed several subcategories per WikiProject Indian states and the WP:FA examples of Karnataka and West Bengal. I have made some grammatical edits and switched and added some images but not removed any content. However, content of History, Culture and Economy needs to be drastically reduced to be seriously considered for FA. WikiProject Indian states recommends that sections should not exceed 4 paragraphs. Previous editors of this article would be best to do this mega-editing. Marcus334 (talk) 07:50, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


 * One of the possible ways to reduce is move some portions into separate articles, like Religion into Religion in Tamil Nadu similar to Religion in Karnataka. Also, we have Demographics and Religion section, while we also have a Religion subsection in Culture. I feel the items in Culture can move to Religion in Tamil Nadu, with only concise information moved to Demographics and Religion section. There are some statements which seem to come from individual's view points in many sections, which can be reduced / removed, depending on whether we can find reliable sources. VasuVR  ( talk,  contribs ) 09:03, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

please forward the pulithevan in tamilnadu page to puli thevar
moved from Administrators' Noticeboard

please forward the pulithevan in tamilnadu page to puli thevarRaja.m82 (talk) 04:59, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. Ncmvocalist (talk) 06:49, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

GSDP Data
Historical GSDP data for TN as given in Ministry of Statistics link here is different from the table given in the article (sourced from TN govt). I wanted to add the data for 2006-07, and found the mismatch. Which one to follow? any ideas?.--Sodabottle (talk) 11:07, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Discrepancy in the section "Religions"
In said section, two consecutive sentences contradict each other slightly: "Among Muslims, 97.5% are Sunni and the rest are Shias.", followed by "All Muslims in Tamil Nadu are Sunnis, ..." There are two possibilities: either the first sentence refers to Muslims worldwide, which would pose the question of relevance to this section - or the second sentence ignores a shia minority existing in this state. If anyone knows about this, please clarify!

Regards, Benito (talk) 18:53, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching that. I couldnt find the exact percentage of shia muslims in TN, but did find they are there, so the second sentence is factually wrong. I have modified it now.--Sodabottle (talk) 19:13, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

film industry
"largest" is quite ambiguous. largest in the number of films produced, largest in terms of the number of audience? -- Car Tick  16:07, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * yeah we have had this second or third issue for a long time. i think telugu leads in number of audience, films and theatres. Don't know about the revenue though (where tamil might come first because of the diaspora)--Sodabottle (talk) 16:39, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Validity of the dates in the introduction
''The region has been the home of the Tamil people since at least 500 AD. Its classical language Tamil has been in use in inscriptions and literature for 1500–2000 years. ''

I find the above numbers given in the Introduction to be quite surprising...given the fact there is ample evidence (already given in the latter part of the article) that Tamils have lived in that region from at least 4-5th century BC(based on the Tamil Brahmi inscriptions...and from the centuries BC based on Roman, Ashoka's inscriptions as well)

The same goes for inscriptions and literature, The date of the Tamil Brahmi should be used as the earliest known date of Tamil inscriptions.

The dates currently used seem to be arbitrarily chosen without any sound evidence to back them up.

Furthermore

About 60% of the total epigraphical inscriptions found by ASI in India are from Tamil Nadu and most of which are in Tamil language.[13]

I would like to add that 55% of the inscriptions found in India are Tamil (based on the same archeological Survey of India report referred to in the main article). I believe this to be an important point and one that should not be overlooked.

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I'll wait for comments/suggestions before making any changes to the article

regards --Morpheus007 (talk) 17:52, 30 September 2010 (UTC)


 * the BC/AD must be a mistake. i have changed it now. Now the literature dating is more dicey. Last Sangam is dated from 100 BC to 300 AD so we can safely say 1500-2000 years. Beyond that we have only Tholkappiyam and the dating controversy of tholkappiyam comes into picture. Since its the lead, lets add only the uncontested facts. And regards to the asi point, go ahead and add it (the same sentence you have quoted can be modified to present this fact as well)--Sodabottle (talk) 18:49, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Premier educational institutions?
When did Crescent engineering college and VIT become premier education institutions of the state, to be spoken of in the same breath as IITM, and Presidency? Jumpstartsuit (talk) 05:15, 21 March 2009 (UTC)unsigned.

Crescent I am not sure. But to know when VIT became one of the premier education institutions of the state Please refer Times Of India Rankings and India Today rankings —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geico2000 (talk • contribs) 20:17, 5 October 2010 (UTC)  VIT has been consecutively ranked among the top 15 for the last three years.

Indeed, I have made changes to reflect NPOV, especially in areas where it seems to glorify the state. For instance, a HDI of .736 was considered "closer" to China's 0.842. There is no basis for this, 0.732 is closer to 0.7 than 0.8! Also made changes to the list of random universities leaving out only the exceptional universities, namely, Anna, IIT, NIT, Madras Medical and Tamil Nadu Agriculture.Jumpstartsuit (talk) 05:14, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Test
Test.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.55.212.181 (talk) 03:00, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

One out of 10 people in Tamil Nadu is diabetic Read more: 1 in 10 people in Tamil Nadu is diabetic.
Here some interesting research which says One out of 10 people in Tamil Nadu is diabetic.

reference: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/1-in-10-people-in-Tamil-Nadu-is-diabetic/articleshow/7096511.cms#ixzz186gn16j5

where this info can be added??? Demographics or Education and social development -- Onef9day  Talk! 17:12, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * that is pretty shocking. it is definitely worth adding. we need to dig into the primary data to better understand this tabloidy Timesofindia news. --CarTick (talk) 17:25, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * The Times article seems to be based on the results of a single study, and the study isn't even complete yet, having just finished Phase 1. Furthermore, there is no evidence that the work has been peer reviewed. Given the solitary and preliminary nature of the findings it is probably too early to add this. Waiting for further reports seems reasonable. Doc   Tropics  18:34, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
 * i shouldnt say this is shocking to me. I have known friends in early 30s and have been diagnosed with diabetes and a lot of friends with bad lipid profile. I dont know if this is unique to Tamil people or Indians in general. we often wonder if the excessive rice consumption has anything to with all of these. --CarTick (talk) 18:40, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Vellore Largest city
People, it is to be noted that Vellore is the largest city in Tamilnadu. Wiki article about Vellore confirms this. please watch it before undoing my changes. "The Vellore city corporation, at 392 square kilometres (151 sq mi), is the largest in Tamil Nadu, surpassing Chennai city corporation, which is 182 square kilometres (70 sq mi)." --Sathishbabu 18:37, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Next time pick a more subtle April fool joke--Sodabottle (talk) 05:17, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Dear Mr.Sodabottle, please follow these wikipedia links/references and comment! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vellore

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2008-08-01/chennai/27906363_1_vellore-corporation-sq-km-urban-local-bodies

http://www.chennaicorporation.gov.in/about-chennai-corporation/aboutCOC.htm

--Sathishbabu 21:52, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

panchayats
new census: 561 town panchayats and 12620 village panchayats. needs update i suppose. --CarTick (talk) 20:59, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Economy Section changes
Following changes made in economy section...

Tamil Nadu is the fifth largest economy currently in India and no longer the third largest. Changed the wording from 'strongest' to 'largest'. Also the total FDI approved is cumulative over the period 1991-2002. Note the word approved. In the period 1991-2002 actual FDI inflow was less than 50% approved for all of India. Tamil Nadu probably fared much better than most states in this account but someone needs to find out the data. BTW is Tamil Nadu the second most industrialized state? What about Gujarat/Maharashtra being the top two states?
 * Maharashtra is the first. Tamil Nadu is the second after it. You can look up the TN Govt website (and maybe Chennai Corporation) for some facts. - Ram


 * I concur with Ram, I remember reading in an Indian newspaper that Maharasthra had 23,000 rupees SGDP per capita, and Tamil Nadu 22,000, Gujarat had 19,000 as of this year. I've added a reference to the Nokia, Flextronics and BMW plants in the Industry section.  I've also renamed the "Industry" section to "Industry & Manufacturing" to be more specific. - JaffnaBoy


 * The article needs to be cleaned up more. Some sections are more biased towards Madras. It has to be cleaned up and then made into a Featured article, like the one in Tamil Wikipedia - Ram


 * I modified the wording of my additions so that they are more "subdued"/objective. Thanks for the tip Ram. - JaffnaBoy (Oct 13,2005)

Someone has deleted the section stating Tamil civilization is one of the world's oldest, etc. from the introduction section. The full extent of the Chola empire (including coastal burma, cambodia and thailand) has been erased. These may be maliscious attacks as they haven't explained themselves in here. Perhaps someone can edit that back in or rewind. -Kumar Oct.2005

Section related to Politics
For some reason, people insist on expanding this to show how the pre-independence part evolved. I spent some time trying to clean this up. Particularly, one person, Saktivel has been responsible for this. I cannot get through to him. Someone has to point it out that this is not a blog and he should not put out his POV here. This is too detailed for something here. People need to look at things written in other states to see what should be written here.

Seal of Tamil Nadu
The Seal of Tamil Nadu is in fact, should be mentioned the seal of the Tamil Nadu Government. I tried to edit it, but couldnt find the phrase in the info box. And historically, the tower represented on the seal is the temple tower in Srivilliputhur, the birth place of Andal.

Need to clean up the History
Someone needs to clean up the history section in Tamil Nadu. It has to much micro-history. No one wishes to see subsections with one line in them. Can someone address this please?

Tenkasi - a city?

 * It is absoultely ludicrous to include Tenkasi in the league with cities viz, Chennai, Madurai, Covai, Tirchy, Salem and Nellai. First a contributor should know, it is an article to be used all over the world and not the area to satisy oneself by entering irrelevent points into the article. Such type of erronous informations may strictly be prohibited. Many towns are waiting to join the elite club in the city grade viz, Tirupur, Tuticorin, Nagarcoil, Thanjavur, Karur etc. Tenkasi is still long way to go.

I have loads of high quality images of chennai, coimbatore, madurai and pondicherry, please let me know how to upload the relevant images in this page

Thanks Arun

Nomination for India's selected article
I would like to have your unison voice to include Tamil nadu into Portal India's selected article. saravan_p 9:30 pm 14April 06

Mettur Dam
Nothing is been added in this page about MetturDam... One of the industrial town in Salem district in tamilnadu...

Vandalism
There is big vandalism going on at the minute in politics and literature sections. Someone from Bangalore with the IP address 60.254.76.15 is being a vandal. Article needs a lot of cleaning up from this person's xenophobia.

Language
Language section of demography is silent over the number or percentage of non Tamil speakers of the state. Please include. Dinesh smita (talk) 11:57, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * do you have realiable sources for these numbers? --CarTick (talk) 12:53, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually it isnt silent: the following line is present


 * The source is the 2001 census . The above five languages cover 99.5% of the TN population. What else do you expect here?--Sodabottle (talk) 13:46, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu
The New Elected Chief Minister for Tamil Nadu State is Jayalalitha.

6020city (talk) 12:35, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Till she swears in, karunanidhi remains the care taker CM. The change happens on 15 may. t--Sodabottle (talk) 12:50, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Inconsistencies with the lead section and the body
There seems to be a lot of inconsistencies with the lead section and the body, especially the economy section. For example the lead says that TN is the fifth largest contributor to India's GDP. But the economy section says that TN is the third largest economy in India. These inconsistencies need to be resolved. Further I propose the citations in the lead section should be moved to the appropriate section in the body. Like other Good Articles we should ensure that there are no citations in the lead section. It may be a small step towards achieving GA status. What's your take?-- R.Sivanesh ✆ © 01:38, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Add additional citations
References in sections like Culture, history etc. needs to be improved.61.14.17.120 (talk) 06:42, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

A big list of players from Tamil Nadu
Hi, The list of names of cricket players and Tennis players doesn't look good for the article about a state. can have a seperate article. Wasifwasif (talk) 13:34, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry I reverted your edit by mistake. The sports sections really needs consolidation. I thought you removed the sentence regarding Chennai Super Kings along hence I removed it. I will copy edit this section to remove the list of players.-- R.Sivanesh ✆ © 13:53, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅, I have moved the list to a new article called List of sports persons from Tamil Nadu-- R.Sivanesh ✆ © 14:21, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Wasifwasif (talk) 15:29, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

disturbing
a disturbing survey — over 35% of rural youth below 30 suffering from diabetes or hypertension or both. wonder how it compares with other states in india and also general human population. also wonder if this type of information is suitabke here. --CarTick (talk) 11:52, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

What is Hindi word for Tamilnadu?
Hi,

Isn't the Hindi word for Tamilnadu state तमिलनाडु? ..असक्तः सततं कार्य कर्म समाचर &#124; असक्तः हि आचरन् कर्म.. Humour Thisthat2011  14:24, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * There is no hindi (or english) equivalent for the the Tamil "ழ்”, but तमिलनाडु is the generally accepted hindi transliteration. But it is unnecessary here as this is not a Hindi word and Hindi isnt a official language in TN. Transliterations are generally added only in either of these cases. We already have an ogg file for pronunciation purposes. The person who added the hindi transliteration added it as "national name", which is false, as there is no "national language for india" and there is no such thing as "national name"--Sodabottle (talk) 14:29, 28 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Yup. What is the need for Hindi in Tamil Nadu article? No way related. Wasifwasif (talk) 17:10, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

New Govt. Building required?
Formerly referred, "New Secretariat Complex" is having a place in our Tamil Nadu page, but we can't find Fort St. George here. Do we require the new complex or the Fort to have a place here..?? --BabuOnWiki (talk) 17:42, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Fort st george should be there not the "hospital" :-). please update it.--Sodabottle (talk) 17:52, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Done! :-) --BabuOnWiki (talk) 14:25, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Census 2011
We have a mandate to update the admin. divisions of TN according to Census 2011. But in report released by ''Dirtt. of Census Optns., TN'' it is mentioned that "All places with a municipality,  corporation,  cantonment board or notified town area committee, etc. (known as Statutory Town)". So what should we do? --BabuOnWiki (talk) 14:30, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

semi-protected
How about changing our Tamil Nadu page to semi-protected? --BabuOnWiki (talk) 05:05, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * For semi protection we need continuous and repeated vandalism and disruption. Currently though IPs make unconstructive edits there is no ouright vandalism happening and in such cases request for semi-protection will not not be usually granted.--Sodabottle (talk) 05:17, 12 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Okay! :-) --BabuOnWiki (talk) 05:22, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

tamil nadu is not ranked third among all states in india by GDP ,Andhra Pradesh stands third for the year 2010.
the article describes tamil nadu as third among indian states and cites a source according to which tamil nadu ranks third, but the article itself borrows data from IBEF which states that Andhra pradesh has GSDP of $85.8 billion whereas tamil nadu has a GSDP of $73.5 billion   which is substantially lower. Revharder (talk) 06:42, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have changed it to fourth using a different reference.  Secret of success  Talk to me  10:10, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Edits by user Godkingxerxes
This edits keeps introducing personal commentary and keeps removing sourced info from the article because apparently he thinks Tamils "are the worst among all people in India". Wikipedia is a not a blog where you can write your opinions. --Sodabottle (talk) 18:01, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

India Page Image Rotation VOTE
There is currently a vote going on to decide the images to be selected in the Demographics Image Rotation. Please carefully see the proposals and vote for your favorite images that best represent the people of India.

Please vote here.

Thanks. Nikkul (talk) 05:08, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

From the New contributors' help page
An IP has noted an error in the list of districts - diff. The lists at Tamil Nadu and Districts of Tamil Nadu do not agree. -- John of Reading (talk) 10:36, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Tamil Nadu = Tamil Nation.
Hi, i just visited the article after some time and fine the info Tamil Nadu = Tamil Nation missing, was it removed after a consensus or just removed? can we have it back in the title? P earll's S un TALK 11:09, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Tamil Nadu Colleges and Universities.
I have been adding CMC and VIT in the list of colleges and somebody is vandalizing that by removing them. This time I have added them with relevant evidence. I have added this some 10 times and it has been removed every time by some members. Please refrain from doing that, if needed check the given links or contact me before deleting by sharing your concern. Lets talk,

Also Instead of engaging in these kind of unwanted things, it will be nice, if members can support other Tamilnadu related wiki entries. G eico2000 TALK 11:09, 01 Feb 2012 (UTC)

New NH Numbers
Hi, How about adding the follwing image, which represents the new NH Numbers in Tamilnadu?

G eico2000 TALK 4:09, 06 Feb 2012 (UTC)


 * Numbers on the road are not fully correct on this map. --BabuOnWiki (talk) 02:52, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

World Bank
Why don't we include this data in our Economy Section? --BabuOnWiki (talk) 14:17, 19 March 2012 (UTC)