Talk:Tamil cinema/Archive 1

Untitled
I think the Kadhal topic should go... Cribananda 03:03, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

List indefinite?
I think its better to stick to a top ten rank of star instead of an exhaustive list which is going nowehere. At present, most of the actors listed in the article like Jeeva, Jivanthiran,... are not notable in box office! Anwar saadat 14:09, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Anwar, I don't think it is a good idea, we need to have all prominent actors on the list, may be 25-30 would do. For Top 10 how would we rate them, fans will come and change it often. I hope you had a great experience with fighting vandals of Ajith article, i fear fans/vandals will start a similar attacks on this article too and baby sitting will be difficult. --M.arunprasad 04:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL, point taken! Anwar saadat 11:50, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Average annual film output
This data was derived by dividing the total releases in each decade by 10. See tamilcinema.com for online chronological database of Tamil films. Anwar saadat 22:53, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Kollywood is only number 3. CBFC has stats till end of 2003. Amitabh Bachan during his speech at Chiranjeevi's Padma Bhushan celebration (at Gachibowli stadium, Hyderabad) acknowledged Tollywood as producing more films than Bollywood. CBFC's latest data is likely to reflect this. Regardless, based on latest available CBFC data Kollywood is #3 and not #2.


 * Please cite your source. Send the links to whatever article you got this piece of data from. Amitabh Bhachchan, btw, is no authority on Tamil or Telugu movies. I am not claiming that either is #2, just that your claim is empty. - Cribananda 07:40, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and btw, regarding the CBFC link you have provided, that is only for 2003. That doesn't make the Telugu film industry bigger. Secondly, the number of films released is only one measure of how 'big an industry is. How about the the total amount grossed? - Cribananda 07:43, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

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1) Amitabh Bachan being who he is (actor & film production house) would know what he is talking about. The speech was aired on a couple of regional channels. So my claim is far from being empty. I cant be bothered looking for an article written by someone whos opinion you value, just to satisfy you. If youre interested, you may contact ETV/TV9/SUNTV. Alternatively, wait for CBFC to release 2004 & 2005 data (you seem willing to trust them).

2)Amount grossed isnt an objective indicator as regional variances in various taxes have been known to exist. More importantly, it is impossible to evaluate the exact impact 'black ticketing' has, on amount grossed. Non-'multiplex' theatres (which still form the majority) encourage black ticketing. (next time you go to a 'cheri' theatre maybe rupini/rahini/rohini in koyambedu for thalaivars padam in the first couple of weeks, or to saptagiri at rtc x roads for a megastar movie, ask the watchman if he has tickets. i can assure you he will). Considering entertainment tax paid, is the basis for arriving at amount grossed, surplus money on account of black ticketing will not be reflected in the amount grossed. if you can arrive at actuals, as opposed to guestimates, i will accept your view. till such time tollywood is bigger than kollywood.

tertiary issue : tollywood has the worlds largest film studio (ramoji film city) in terms of acerage). several 'kollywood' movies are shot there (thalaivars 'sivaji: the boss' was shot partially in r.f.c).

maybe a discuission on what 'kollywood' and 'tollywood' mean is required. if a movie is substantially made in a 'tollywood' studio would it still be a 'kollywood' movie ? is language the only determinant ? the actual number of films shot in either territories would ofcourse be hard/impossible to determine.

i suppose number of films isnt such a bad indicator of size after all :)

SPAM?
Has someone been spamming the 'see also' and 'external links' section.--Sshankar 13:10, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

actor salaries
The actor salaries section makes wild guesses and can no way be backed up by authentic sources. Even if one has to make a wild guess, including madhavan in the superstar list is ridiculous! Everyone from TN knows that he has never been in that club. While Rajni and kamal are sure to get more than 45 million rupees, it cannot be said so about other actors. Opening in 200 screens is also not always true. For instance, for ajith whose recent pictures have not done well, this may not be the case. Regarding Jothika's salary, it can be 40 lakh but certainly not 40 million!! same is the case for trisha and others. Trisha is rumoured to get little below 10 million in tollywood but in kollywood the figures are far less. Shriya and pooja cannot be thought of as superstar heroines who never had a big hit movie. Also, the wild statement that the stars have a political clout is also disputable. Only in 1996, some instances could be drawn when rajni spoke something. But, even his voice did not have effect in the subsequent elections. Before making statements in a widely read encyclopedia like wikipedia, one should try to be objective and authentic--Ravishankar 16:47, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Sections needed
This article needs to be divided in sections after a brief lead section. Hoverfish 13:38, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup needed
This article needs a little cleanup. Some suggestions: Otherwise, very good and informative article! -kotra 01:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The intro section is too long, most of it could be moved below the Table of Contents into existing or new sections,
 * The statistical information is good, but it should be properly referenced, and
 * The External links section is too long.

Possible redundant photograph in article
The photograph of Vijayakanth is quite unnecessary for the article and I strongly feel can be taken down. There is no reference to him in the article etc. The old photographs of MGR and Sivaji are fine as they were huge and defining/influential actors in the history of Tamil cinema. Perhaps a photograph of Rajinikanth and Kamal Haasan together, and a photograph of exceptional more recent actors (not just one actor but a few actors together) could instead be put up in replacement of the Vijayakanth photo. AppleJuggler 03:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Superstar Club
Someone keeps adding Vikram to this club. Though he is giving back to back blockbusters, he does not have exclusive fanclubs that literally fight for territory. Also, his films take a good opening only when he combines with big banners. Look what happened to Majaa. So I have removed his entry from this club.Anwar 14:41, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Should rename to Tamil film industry
Let us get rid of the abominable name Kollywood. It should properly called Tamil film industry. The word Kollywood should redirect here, or better yet to a disambiguation page, as there are film industries in other places which are also called Kollywood (Nepal).--Sivaraj 12:39, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. Tamil film industry should be the formal name and thats what the article should be called. Since no one object Sivaraj's view I will move the page to the relevant place. I hope there are no specific concerns. Cheers ώiki Ѕαи Яоzε†αLҝ 12:50, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree that Tamil film industry, Chennai film industry or Cinema of Tamil Nadu fit third party reliable sources on the topic and are more than adequate alternatives. The current title Tamil cinema is confusing, because other localities such as Singapore also make Tamil-language films. This article is clearly about the Chennai film industry. A mention that other film hubs also make Tamil language films should be mentioned in a paragraph. What's interesting is that, looking at the history log, this was already sorted out, and I shall be moving it back. I've moved it to Cinema of Tamil Nadu in keeping with RS and WP:MOS on such topics. Clubover (talk) 15:07, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I kinda partially agree with you. I do not think we should restrict the article to Tamil Nadu alone. I am indeed no aware of any Tamil movies made in Sri Lanka or any of the diasporic Tamil population. Given that no such movies are mentioned here the current title (Cinema of Tamil Nadu) seems alright to stay. Although personally I would prefer Tamil cinema especially because early Tamil movies were not made in Tamil Nadu/Madras Presidency, but in Mumbai and Kolkatta. Cheers Wiki San Roze†αLҝ 14:34, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Dravidian civilizations
Wiki Raja 11:12, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

WRONG INFORMATION - Sivaji ~ First Indian Film on UK Top 10
The article says that ""It also cracked into the UK's Top 10 weekend box opening movies becoming the first ever Indian movie to do so."" I think this an attempt to portrait tamil movies are popular than hindi movies. There lots of hindi movies listed on UK top ten. Any one can go and check it from UK boxoffice top ten's websites. Some one plz correct this.(203.99.195.64 (talk) 06:23, 11 June 2008 (UTC))
 * Dil Se was the first Indian movie to be listed in UK Top Ten. This made headlines that time. Wiki San Roze†αLҝ 14:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Echelon Studios new article
Hello! I would like to invite you to check the new article i wrote about Echelon Studios. I would like you to check it and tell me what do you think about it and what should it need to avoid it deletion. You can found it on my user page under the name of 'Echelon Studios Draft'. Thank you very much. Eric-1555 (talk) 23:43, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

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what is MKT?
This article mentions, and even links to, MKT. The MKT article is a disambiguation page, but none of the choices have any bearing on the topic of cinema. Does anyone know what that acronym means? --WhiteDragon (talk) 18:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Potential sources
removed from article page itself as it was appearing to be more of a linkpharm than legitimate article section. -- The Red Pen of Doom  23:00, 27 March 2009 (UTC)




 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was Consensus for move to .--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:57, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Requested move
I think this should not be called "Kollywood" since it was jus made popular by the media mostly magazines since the Hindi film industry started calling themeselves as Bollywood. The people within the Tamil industry itself dont approve the name Kollywood especially Kamal Hassan who has mentioned his disliking towards Tamil Cinema being reffered as Kollywood. I think it should be called Tamil cinema or chennai cinema as the people within the industry want it to called tat way. Lotadutt (talk) 19:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Agree that the article should not be under the nickname, especially when the nickname requires further identification by naming the subject in parens. -- The Red Pen of Doom  11:50, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Support. Tamil cinema is clear enough, nicknames are not required.--GDibyendu (talk) 19:26, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Support per WP:COMMONNAME.--RegentsPark (My narrowboat) 16:36, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Support either Tamil cinema or Kollywood but not both. Neither is ambiguous. —   AjaxSmack   21:41, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Again Requesting for a move
Why was this article changed to the title Tamil cinema? That is a very vague title. This article only discusses about the film industry in Tamil Nadu, India -- not Tamil films in general. There are several Tamil films around the world that are not part of Kodambakkam. In order to prevent ambiguity, this article must move back to "Cinema of Tamil Nadu." --Eelam StyleZ (talk) 04:26, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I wasnt aware that Tamil cinema was made in other parts of the world like canada, singapore, eelam ect. Since there are singnificant amount of tamil films made apart from chennai, i think it would be better if it was called "Cinema of Tamil Nadu" or "Cinema of Chennai" rather than "Tamil Cinema". Requesting admins to consider the change. Apologies for the inconvenience. Lotadutt (talk) 16:53, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Actors
Try to be neutral here. On time I read this article it said the successors of Rajinikant and Kamal Hassan are Joseph Vijay and Surya Sivakumar. The nex day I read and It says Ajith Kumar and Surya Sivakumar. If I can I will get the source but many critics have said that Joseph Vijay, Ajith Kimar and Surya Sivakumar are the successors. Its not two but three. So please stop editing that. Sarvanan272


 * One, two or three doesn't matter because you can find different fans claiming different things. You can probably conclude only after the stars fall from glory. Remember that the media started refering to Gemini Ganesan as part of the three stalwarts after he was dead. Until then it was just MGR and Shivaji. So please stop adding info on contemporary actors. Cheers Wiki San Roze†αLҝ</i> 13:37, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Verifiability and Neutral point of view
verifiability and neutral point of view are two of Wikipedia's primary content guidelines. Please do not revert the article to previous versions which violate these policies. -- The Red Pen of Doom  11:30, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Introduction Para's
Hai everyone. I want to include the following statements in lead paras as it is very very important and I am trying it in neutral view. Before proceeding I want to include it here for discussion for all.

"Tamil films are made in Chennai (formerly Madras), which is also a location for some of the films made in Telugu, Kannada and Malayalam. Chennai plays a major role in post-production, including services used by Bollywood (Hindi Cinema) and since it makes a legal claim to be the real Indian film capital, ahead of Mumbai."

Source : http://www.cornerhouse.org/media/Learn/Study%20Guides/Indian%20cinema.pdf in Regional Cinemas category.

I am giving it here for experienced wiki editors,sysnops,reviewer,rollbacker,administrators etc., to have look and edit in possible way in the lead paras alone. I am very precise on that. If response time takes very long let me try it out and I am ready for open discussion from then on.

Ungal Vettu Pillai 12:14, 27 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keyan20 (talk • contribs)

claims of pov
An IP editor asked me to review the article for POV isses. Unfortunately, I did not look at the history of the article before I started editing. I did not see a lot of anything that stood out as blatant POV issues, although there was a lot of unsourced personal commentary and analysis that I removed. It does appear that there are at least a couple of editors who are working on improving the article. Please feel free to reinsert any of the content that I removed if you have sources. I would recommend being very careful that any comments from the politics section be strongly sourced before being returned. accusations of censorship come under the WP:BLP policy. Active Banana    (bananaphone  14:55, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Stop the edit warring
Stop the edit warring or the article will be completely locked down.

Any challenged claim that has been removed MUST BE ADEQUATELY SOURCED before it is returned to the article. It is a core content policy. Active Banana    (bananaphone  16:20, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

The state of this article
I see in this article an example of a subject which could be covered very well, as I am sure that there must be sources out there.

However, as it stands, it is awful not as good as it could be. The main problems as I see it are:
 * 1) The low level of referencing. If the statements without citations were removed, it'd be between a third and a quarter of the size (about 1450 words instead of 5038) (see User:Phantomsteve/Tamil cinema (only sourced statements) - and this was after a cursory look through the article, not checking all the references to make sure that they actually say what is being referenced)
 * 2) As someone who does not know much about Tamil cinema, there were some sections which appeared to me to be 'general' sections relevant to cinema in any country or language - I feel that the following sections need to be trimmed, and to mention how Tamil cinema is different (to, say, English/American cinema):
 * 3) Film making process;
 * 4) Cast and crew;
 * 5) Sound;
 * 6) Distribution;
 * 7) Business model
 * 8) The Business model section appears to me to be too detailed for the article

As I said, I feel that there is great potential for this article - it seems to be an area which could end up with an interesting article, which would be a good read for people (like myself) who know nothing-to-little about the subject - it looks better than a lot of Cinema in India articles, with a good overall structure. It is obviously the work of people who care a lot about the subject!

I don't know much about the subject, and would find it hard to find suitable reliable sources for the article, but for what it's worth, I asked about whether Millennium 3 Chennia could be considered a reliable source, and the response so far is 'maybe'! (see Reliable sources/Noticeboard) - it seems to me that it could certainly be used as a source for more statements than currently used. Looking through some of the other sources' titles, I am sure (although I have not looked at them) that many of them could be used to cite other statements throughout the article.

I hope that this mixture of positive and negative will inspire editors to improve it - I see no reason why this article should not end up as a Good article or even, eventually, as a Featured article!

Look at the top of this page, and the classifications by the various WikiProjects: this is an important topic for most of them, and at the moment it rates B- or C- class (personally, I'd probably say nearer C than B) - this has so much potential, and you guys can get it there!

Regards,  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 23:19, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Sources??
They are many spectulations in this article.Wikipedia resists them as much as possible IF THERE ARE NO PROPER SOURCES.14.96.174.213 (talk) 09:09, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Title should change to Chennai Tamil Film industry
Title should change to Chennai Tamil Film industry. Otherwise, it should include parts about Tamil cinema from other countries. User:Vensatry is reverting such changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.95.84.254 (talk) 01:32, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It can be considered as a primary topic, with significant understanding that the Malaysian, Sri Lankan and Canadian film industries aren't as popular as this one, and Chennai is the capital of Tamil Nadu. Plus, the others are not even popular in any part of the world and nor has there been any significant successful films from the other places. We have separate articles for the rest, through disambiguation. What more is needed? And please, do not discuss about specific users here without informing them or discussing with them first. Thanks.  X.One   SOS  04:56, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I only reverted your edit which said "Tamil cinema also known as Sri Lankan Tamil cinema or the Malaysia/Singapore Tamil cinema". Didn't know that those were a part of the "Chennai film industry" :) &mdash; Commander (Ping me) 05:05, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

This title must include cinemas from other countries
Tamil cinema is produced in Sri Lanka, Malaysia as well as other countries. This article's title should be changed or the definition and content change to reflect the Tamil cinema produced in other countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.70.138.58 (talk) 03:48, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Second largest
It seems to me that the concerns raised at Talk:Cinema of Andhra Pradesh, this article should not state that Tamil Cinema is the second largest; it may be appropriate to use a more specific description, however (i.e., rather than saying "largest", explain by what measure it is larger). Qwyrxian (talk) 08:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think this sentence about total films contains any notable information. Nigeria creates by far the most films in the world, but is it any type of "large", as we would expect, when we read such a sentence? Definitely not. Imho WP:Peacock could apply here. It would be a different case if we would talk about actual film revenues or market size. My opinion is to delete this sentence alltogether in all articles.--  Dravidian   Hero  01:05, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

These Should be removed from the article, no measure of largest should be included. Because it will finally create controversy alone. It ios fair to remove it from both the articles not one alone. RTPking (talk) 23:49, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Since there has been no objection, I'm going to remove the sentence. Note that I will not revert if someone else adds, and I have not opinion on the actual underlying content; I'm just trying to make this match the conclusion of the relatively well-attended discussion on the other page. Qwyrxian (talk) 04:01, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Help Please!
I have started creating the article List of Indian film series. I need your help in adding the film series in Tamil language (if any). Since there might be a lot of them consisting of 2 films, my opinion is that only those film series with 3 or more films should be added (all of which have been released only). Please feel free to come and add more and do the required corrections. Once fully created, this list will be highly informative. All future opinions and comments should be posted here or on my talk page only please since I would not be watching this talk page. - Jayadevp  13  17:18, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

India Centric Article Definition
This article is India Centric. It is factually wrong to define Tamil Cinema as film industry based in Chennai, when Tamil films have been made and continued to be made in several countries, including Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Singapore and Canada. The definition does not reflect this.

An alternative definition is Tamil Cinema refers to film industry producing films in the Tamil language. This industry is predominantly based in Chennai, Tamilnadu. Tamil films are also produced in Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Singapore, Canada and in other countries. --Natkeeran (talk) 01:26, 7 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I have to agree with this.--ThaThinThaKiThaTha (talk) 08:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I softly disagree with this. While I understand that this article does not cover film productions made overseas, it is hard to dispute that the Tamil industry is centred on Chennai. You would find similar situation concerning the French industry (Quebec, Switzerland, Belgium, etc), Germany (Austria, Switzerland), Korea (DPRK, China) or even Hollywood! However, I think some separation is needed between 'Kollywood' (usually used to refer to a location like Hollywood and not an entire language's cinema), 'cinema in the Tamil language' and cinema of Tamil Nadu. Witchofthewests (talk) 13:09, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Strictly oppose moving this page. "Tamil cinema" has always referred to Kodambakkam and Indian Tamil films. Tamil films made in Canada, Europe, Malaysia, Singapore, and Sri Lanka are strictly INDEPENDENT films that aren't part of the mainstream group of films that come from Chennai. Also, international independent Tamil films lack any notability on an international level, except of course for a very few films from Malaysia and Singapore. Otherwise, as industries they do not stand out enough to deserve separate Wikipedia pages. Tamil cinema has been and will always be referred to Indian Tamil film industry. Also, the word Kollywood is just a nickname made for Tamil cinema and not a real word. Many celebrities like Kamal Haasan even discourage the use of the word Kollywood. It should not be used to refer to the Indian Tamil film industry. 173.33.180.117 (talk) 12:49, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

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