Talk:Tanya Roberts/Archive 1

Birthyear
Was Tanya born in 1954 or 1955? Hotwine8 04:01, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Leaving That 70's Show
anyone know why she left the show? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.13.227.35 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Picture
Can we get a picture of her? I personally think all biography articles should contain a picture. I, unfortunately, know nothing about adding pictures to Wikipedia, so I'm going to have to rely on someone else for this one. Thanks. FerralMoonrender (MyTalk • MyContribs • EmailMe) 04:19, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

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Early life and career

 * "At age 15, she abandoned her studies to get married and lived for a while hitchhiking across the United States until her mother-in-law annulled the union. Tanya continued to live in New York City, modelling and working as a dance teacher with Arthur Murray."

What union did the mother-in-law annul? It is not exactly clear, unless the writer is refering to her sister in this paragraph. It's a little confusing, possibly someone took out a connective sentence, but I could not find one in the history. 146.63.253.183 16:14, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Nothing strange here. She tried to get married at age 15 - her stepmother stopped it. The source was Cult Sirens - probably not reliable enough to use as a reference. The claim also appears in NNDB Rmhermen (talk) 03:30, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

She couldn't be with Lance O'Brien for 18 years. Her previous husband died in 2006. 2020-2006=14. Basic math skills should have told the dictators of the page that TMZ was wrong on their numbers.
 * I removed the "18 years." Two reliable sources say it's unclear how long they have been together and one even says he refers to her as both her boyfriend and husband, depending on who he is talking to. All seem to agree they live together, as far as I can tell. I think at this point the length is irrelevantP37307 (talk) 01:45, 5 January 2021 (UTC) without better citations/ref.

Place of death
She died in California. MikaelaArsenault (talk) 02:58, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Has since been added.  Wylie pedia  @ 04:06, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Don't have time to look into it more, but her publicist says she's still alive, MorphineBear (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 00:13, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * It's covered in the article- she was announced as dead, and this was corrected. Nevertheless,, that source wouldn't be appropriate as it's a questionable source, (see WP:THESUN). Joseph2302 (talk) 00:18, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry then. MikaelaArsenault (talk) 00:19, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Would someone proof the "Career" section please?
I do not edit WP articles anymore. However, some statements are clearly not based in fact, so I'm just going to point one out here. Under Ms Roberts "Career" section, the following statement exists:


 * "The series was thereafter moved to several different time slots on the broadcast schedule, causing viewership to drop as the season progressed"

This is pretty obviously an opinion, and furthermore, it has nothing to do with her career. IMHO, it appears to be something of an excuse for a series that was already failing. Therefore, I am suggesting that this sentence / statement be removed, since viewership can drop for any number of reasons, and the previous paragraph clearly states that the series was already in decline - part of the reason, apparently, that she was hired. In any case, this statement is not encyclopedic in my opinion. Cheers. 73.6.96.168 (talk) 04:26, 4 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I shortened it and merged it with the previous paragraph, keeping in her debut and when the series ended, if only to mention that part of her career.  Wylie pedia  @ 04:42, 4 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Could someone make sure I added that archive ref citation to that rearranged section correctly. P37307 (talk) 04:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I fixed it. People Archive apparently doesn't work either way.  Wylie pedia  @ 05:17, 4 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Very nice! Thank you for your effort and prompt attention.  Much much better now.  Cheers.  73.6.96.168 (talk) 08:51, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Formatting problem
In the table, having problems with years 1979-1982. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 21:35, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Which table and what is the issue? PackMecEng (talk) 21:37, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * User:PackMecEng Filmography, films and television. If you look they errors will be apparent.  It is ordered chronologically.  Sorry that I screwed this up, but I rarely work with this kind of table.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 21:42, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Look about right now? PackMecEng (talk) 21:51, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅  Echo thanks.svg, and thank you for lending your time to help improve Wikipedia! If you are interested in editing more often, I suggest you create an account to gain additional privileges. Happy editing!  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 23:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Sweet, I might just do that sometime! PackMecEng (talk) 23:57, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * User:PackMecEng You are welcome.  Seriously, I really appreciated the Helping hand!  Now if only Tanya Roberts did something that would make all this effort work at WP:ITN.  I got all dressed up and now have no place to go.  Stolat!  Oh well.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 00:02, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Please change wording
Can lived be changed to lives? MikaelaArsenault (talk) 22:37, 4 January 2021 (UTC)


 * The only place where lived is used is appropriate, as it relates to the past. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 00:09, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

I depend on Wikipedia to confirm the deaths of notable persons.
That turns out to not have been quite as authoritative and error proof as I'd assumed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.87.210 (talk)
 * Hi, we follow what reliable sources say, and they announced she was dead (before later correcting themselves). Which is why Wikipedia temporarily (and with hindsight, incorrectly) reported her as dead. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 00:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Never too late to learn life lessons... 73.154.95.49 (talk) 00:41, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Anybody who visits Wikipedia frequently would know it's anything but "authoritative" and "error proof". I don't think reporting a woman as dead when many reputable sources reported her as dead first is that bad of an error, however, and in fact I would say that's Wikipedia working as intended. This site isn't meant to be correct 100% of the time, as its editors don't know everything, but using reliable sources for information will ensure it's correct more often than not. ~jcm  09:30, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah, this was an unusual situation. Nobody did anything wrong, and there is no way to prevent this sort of thing from happening in the future (short of something ridiculous like waiting a week or two to make sure they are *really* dead). --Bongwarrior (talk) 09:54, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Just so you know, Francisco Franco is still dead.-- Auric   talk  19:02, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2021
Change to still alive she hasn't died 49.183.29.43 (talk) 02:35, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Please clarify what you are asking for.  The article does not say she is dead.  RudolfRed (talk) 03:14, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Apparently there's still a blend of old news about her supposed death with news of her still being alive. The OP must've checked in at a time when someone added her death again, which was reverted.  Wylie pedia  @ 03:28, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Inside Edition reference
I added an edit about the partner getting the call that she was alive. I used Inside Edition as the cite because they were doing an interview with him at the time and captured the call and the aftermath on video. I'm not sure if Inside Edition is considered a reliable source or not now, at one time it wasn't according to an edit I did years ago, but using this citation is extraordinary considering their involvement at the time of the call. If anyone knows whether Inside Edition is now a reliable source, otherwise, please "@" me. It would be good to know. P37307 (talk) 03:38, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

How about the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55528352 Pauseypaul (talk)

THIS WHOLE THING IS OUTRAGEOUS TO MS. ROBERTS MANY FAN'S!
CLAIMING THAT A FAMOUS ACTRESS HAS DIED, WITHOUT THE FACTS BEING CLEAR IS TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:9000:CD01:4500:E82F:C463:A321:4161 (talk) 13:38, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You've got your facts wrong, and are essentially saying "kill the messenger". Obviously, we reported in good faith what we knew at the time.  There were many WP:RSs. We are not a news organization, and do not employ "reporters" to investigate the facts. WP:Reliability, not WP:Truth.  I am sure our cadre of editors is happy that she survives.  But Wikipedia should not be blamed for this — the erroneous report of her "death" — as it was widely reported around the world.
 * The article has been improved, and it did not appear in WP:ITN. That was fortunate, and really a matter of luck — it depended on the timing of the reports, and its appearance on the WP:Main page was delayed due to bringing the article up to editorial standards. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 13:48, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Go complain to the BBC or other news outlets who reported it. And learn what a tertiary source is. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 14:08, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * She's hardly famous. One film that was 36 years ago. (86.131.7.75 (talk) 16:17, 5 January 2021 (UTC))
 * Tangential to improving the article but I have to chime in here... Seriously 86.131.7.75?... Ms. Roberts might not be an A-list star now but she is very notable regardless of when she did most of her acting work. And, yeah, welllll - she actually has done more than one film, more than one studio film, more than one major independent film...as a lead or major supporting. And more than one network TV series in the US...again, as a lead or as a major supporting role, most of which were in the Nielsen ratings' Top Ten at the time. Just sayin'. Shearonink (talk) 16:37, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * She was just a B-movie actor. (86.131.7.75 (talk) 00:08, 6 January 2021 (UTC))

If TMZ is the only source re-reporting her death...
...then it shouldn't be included. I'm pretty sure we don't consider TMZ a reliable source for breaking news on deaths. It's jumped the gun before. And in any case, a death (especially a recently prematurely-reported one) should have multi RS. Kingsif (talk) 15:59, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If you want to add death with the edit reason that there's lots of other sources, you should actually provide some of those sources. I just googled her name, went to news, sorted by recent, and the most recent article is from 1 hour ago: the BBC, with Tanya Roberts: Bond girl and Charlie's Angel still alive, agent says. Kingsif (talk) 16:13, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * TMZ was reporting Michael Jackson's death for hours before it was finally confirmed. (86.131.7.75 (talk) 16:17, 5 January 2021 (UTC))
 * Only more reason we should wait for an actual announcement, IP. Kingsif (talk) 16:18, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Death
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/tanya-roberts-confirmed-dead-after-premature-declaration-from-publicst

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/tanya-roberts-confirmed-dead-at-65-after-premature-declaration-from-publicist

Fox News is confirming that she is dead and died on Monday night from complications of a UTI. MikaelaArsenault (talk) 16:36, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The second source is a duplicate of the first, just local. WP:FOXNEWS confirms it is considered reliable for non-political news. We can update with the first source. Kingsif (talk) 16:42, 5 January 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅ I also note that Fox news contacted the subject's publicist and did not piggyback on the TMZ story. —C.Fred (talk) 16:48, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I saw that; surprisingly good journalism from them. Also means we should discount any article that refers to the TMZ story, too. Kingsif (talk) 17:04, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

https://sports.yahoo.com/tanya-roberts-dies-after-early-inaccurate-death-report-153550010.html

Here is an article from Yahoo! that has information which may be worth adding:

The actress first fell ill with intestinal issues and trouble breathing on Dec. 23 after going for a hike near the couple’s Laurel Canyon home. At 4 a.m. the next day, she fell out of her bed, couldn’t get up and was taken to the hospital where she was placed in intensive care and put on oxygen. Because of precautions related to the coronavirus, O’Brien was unable to see Roberts — until Sunday’s “end of life” visit.

O’Brien said doctors told him Roberts “had a urinary tract infection that got out of control,” impacting her kidneys, liver and gall bladder. “Then she got a blood infection in her entire body,” he says, which was compounded by her having had hepatitis C when she was younger. MikaelaArsenault (talk) 19:46, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Interesting source, but it comes from an interview with O'Brien so I'll incorporate it. Kingsif (talk) 20:07, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Didn’t know that it came from an interview with O'Brien at first though. MikaelaArsenault (talk) 20:52, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Excess refs
There are unnecessary refs in lead, and while some of her TV roles need supporting citations, some of her film appearances don't need as many as are being used: The Beastmaster, Sheena, and A View to a Kill are particularly excessive. Similarly, there are lots of refs from the premature death reports that have been added and I'm not sure why. Do we need so many? Kingsif (talk) 17:22, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , I agree and removed the citations from the lead. It summarizes the info already sourced in the body of the article. Great work everyone. TJMSmith (talk) 18:22, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Kingsif (talk) 18:50, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2021 (2)
Wrong date of death should be January 5, 2021 Loreliadog (talk) 22:33, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ❌ Not according to all the sources. Kingsif (talk) 22:36, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

She did not pass away on January 5th. MikaelaArsenault (talk) 00:34, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 January 2021 (3)
Harvey Levin from TMZ reports that Tanya Roberts is still alive. 73.200.129.214 (talk) 22:42, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. TMZ reports her as having died. Nthep (talk) 22:48, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

All of the reliable sources are reporting that she died. MikaelaArsenault (talk) 00:35, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2021
There is an error about Tanya Roberts as on the television news it said that there was an error stating that she had died. 70.53.91.16 (talk) 20:50, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ❌ No edit requested. Kingsif (talk) 20:53, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * On 4 January, it was wrongly reported that she died on 3 January. But on 5 January, it was announced she had died on 4 January, and this one is confirmed properly. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 21:43, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That's still not an edit request, that's repeating info from the article. Kingsif (talk) 21:58, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not trying to make an edit request, I'm trying to explain why the edit request is wrong. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 00:51, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Disproportionate death section
This reads very poorly. Most of the information is not remotely encyclopedic. Can we prune it radically, please? Espresso Addict (talk) 08:01, 7 January 2021 (UTC)


 * It is encyclopedic and well sourced. The fact she was wrongly reported dead and then actually died the next day needs to be clarified in the article. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 09:08, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree we need to mention that, but we don't need this level of detail. It feels demeaning to the achievements of the subject in life, when her death is about a quarter the length of the career section (by character count). Espresso Addict (talk) 11:08, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Her reported, and later actual, death lends balance to her career. One could strip it all down to "she collapsed before Christmas and hospitalized, was diagnosed with a blood infection following a poorly treated UTI, and later died", but that strips all credence to the craziness of the rush to announce a death, when she hadn't died.  Wylie pedia  @ 12:38, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I have no opinion but if you guys come to a decision I'll help draft a section of suitable length that still conveys the weight of the misreporting. For what it's worth, I've been looking for sources to expand the career section but the 70s isn't the easiest decade to find them. Kingsif (talk) 13:34, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, -- I had a go from the Guardian obituary; there might be a little more there if you are interested. I wondered about splitting the Career section, but couldn't decide on the best place(s) to do it. Espresso Addict (talk) 15:12, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * FWIW, the many obituaries (for her deaths?) were very fertile sources. They helped me fill in the referencing for her oeuvre.  Consequently, we were able to avoid the WP:ITN rejections that I have witnessed over the years.  E.g., Dr. John and Neil Peart, which were very disappointing. I would think that there are more out there. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 15:36, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, the obits were not great filmography sources. I went to TV guide and similar sources, which lists episodes and character names, to complete that and get it on the MP. To bulk out a career section we need more than "was in X, Y and Z". Kingsif (talk) 23:48, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Views

 * 1.9 million views. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 12:29, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It looked like more than that, but why create a section? The talkpage readership chart is visible above. Kingsif (talk) 16:02, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It was a lot of views. WP:Not paper.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 16:04, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Well yeah, before the "not-a-coup" I was expecting it would be #1 most-viewed on Wikipedia for the week, especially with low readership recently. It might come in about #8 now, if I were a betting man. (Sorry, last year I would have been very impressed - I was with the 800k or so views Vera Lynn's article got. But I've been doing a lot more Top 25 and Million articles recently, so now millions apparently doesn't seem so big) Kingsif (talk) 16:14, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It's all relative. Wikipedia is not a Zero sum game.  Your contribution was indispensable.  <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 15:49, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

She is still alive
Better check your source, Ms Roberts is not dead — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.11.159.94 (talk) 21:30, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, she isn't. She had a premature death announcement, but her death has been officially confirmed by the hospital she went to, many reliable news sources provided in her article and statements by people close to her. Clear Looking Glass (talk) 00:23, 9 January 2021 (UTC)