Talk:Tape editing

(we're not sure about the title yet, tape-editing is too wide a term for just audio tape work) - editing, cutting, tape-cutting etc will all point to this here page (Tape_editing)

- mirrored to: http://editheadz.ma.cx

How to edit a wiki page (from wikipedia)

Bringing Edits to the masses (The Latin Rascals)
Hall and Oates out of touch; the edit dub had to be one of the most memorable tracks for me in the history of editing. The Latin Rascals became superstars with rockstar status. Listening to their edits; you never knew what was coming next; they were frenzied but on time. They were the first editors I remember playing with speed (slowing down voices/phrases) They seemed to be on everything from radio(ktu,kiss fm and hot 103.5 and hot 97.1) club music to hip hop (king kut; Run Dmc King of Rock) and pop. They produced many hits in the club/freestyle genre; appeared on movie soundtracks (disorderlies) and appeared on television (the music show second generation with andy panda and tony moran) produced a hip hop platinum album (the fat boys) became successful artists (bach to the future; arabian nights) and world reknowned remixers. Out of the pack (omar santana; carlos berrios, chep nunez, etc...) Omar Santana and The Latin Rascals stood out the most. Albert Cabrera appeared on Ktu solo and what he accomplished with a pause button was nothing short of amazing. I'm still in shock at some of the things I heard done; this coupled with the ability to do megamix medleys seperated him from the bunch; when he paired with tony moran things got crazier. The remixes they did with Little Louie Vega on vinyl (information society's running)and the exclusive mixes (called hotmixes specially made for bill lee the on air personality who requested they do special versions)were incredible; two of them appeared on cutting remixes; dont' break my heart and let me be the one. The radio only version of Jody watley's I'm lookin for a new love was insane!!!!!!!! So was the cover girls show me and Noel's silent morning; these were radio only remixes that never appeared on vinyl. I only heard Little Louie Vega play them when he rocked hearthrob nightclub in nyc. If anyone has access to them; I wish they'd post them up. These were definitley staples in the art of multi editing and remixing. Eternal props and much respect to The ultimate duo The Latin Rascals!!!!!! David Anthony Mendez A/K/A Dave The One Mendez

About the listings of names
> To this list I would like to add DJ's from the left coast > (West Coast) who are always forgotten!

I would recommend trying to limit your list to some (likely) forgotten names in strictly the tape cutting trade, or very prominently focussing on cutting up masters, because the ones we know, like Cabrera, Berrios etc. well, everyone can mention those...

Also, not all DJ's do impressive cutting. If we're gonna mention each and every person who has cut tape once, where do you draw the line?

HZ wrote:

> I think the Latin Rascals did a lot of things before Nuance. > By the time of Nuance feat. Vikki Love - "Loveride" > they were already working separate from Arthur Baker as well, > and some of those Arthur Baker things > must have been earlier. "Loveride" was 1984,

Remarkable is that this 12 inch does not even credit them anywhere, even though everybody knew, if only from their peculiar dark 'sound', that Cabrera and Moran had touched it ;-)

> Arthur Baker's discography at http://www.arthurbaker.net/ mentions > "Confusion" by New Order in 1981 (which is weird, I'm pretty sure it > was 1983), which has multiple edits.

Yes, but it might have been 1982 when Jellybean and Baker tried out their first versions of 'Confusion' in the Funhouse club. It usually took quite some time back then, for the world to hear those tracks, or have them available as a release on vinyl.

Also interesting; http://www.record-producers.com/roster/arthurbaker/biography.html

And I found:

[Jonathan Scott] "In early 1984 I spoke to a member of New Orders sound crew who mentioned a Confusion mix he 'had heard' that was basically an unreleased Arthur Baker/Jellybean project mixing the basic elements of 'Confusion' with parts of Freeze's 'IOU'. [...] I have been told that it surfaced on a dub-plate (acetate) and was produced in a New York cutting house."

Reportedly, a mix of Confusion/IOU used to be played a lot at the Hacienda around 1984/85.

Q: What are those strange colours on the sleeve? A: It's a colour code Peter Saville same up with, see Power, Corruption and Lies for decoding information.

Q: What does the "W-W-R-L" in the beginning of the song mean? A: Barney's lyrics are always up to the interpretation of the listener but one possible explaination that has surfaced is that "W-W-R-L" could be a reference to the radio station, WWRL, in Harlem, New York.

Q: What's the deal with the Streetwise testpressing from the New Music Seminar? A: The Streetwise testpressing (SWRL 2213) with blank, handwritten and/or stamped labels was made for the "New Music Seminar" in New York. As a part of the new Music Seminar New Order played at the Garage on July 7, 1983. Approximately 400 of these 12 inchers were made.

Q: I thought the german 7" promos only came in four colours? A:[Fernando] "... the intended colors were the first four [green, lime, blue, purple], and the others seem to be the result of moving colors, as that would state that the other variations are way hard to get."

Q: Since I saw the movie Blade I keep on hearing that sample from Confusion in a lot of tracks, what's up with that? A: The rumour is that the sample first heard in the Pump Panel remix of Confusion slipped through the royaly cracks and is now featured in at least three tracks: "Confusion" by Pump Panel, "Phatt Bass" by Warp Brothers vs Aquagen, and "Operation Blade" by Public Domain.

> But these were - as far as I can tell - never credited to > the Latin Rascals. They might as well have been > by Arthur Baker himself, or Jay Burnett (see below).

It very well might also have been John Jellybean Benitez. http://www.jahsonic.com/Jellybean.html

> Here's an interesting list too, with listings of those old Latin > Rascals WKTU radio mixes: > > http://apollojams.com/pages/mixZ.html

From what I remember those radio-mixes are what caused Arthur Baker to contact them, to do some cuts on tracks that he wanted to play and try out in clubs (like the Funhouse). Maybe Tony and Albert themselves can shed some light here..

> A personal "quintessential edited remix" for me was "Happy Station" > by Fun Fun (1983), taken from the 12" Italo Remix Volume 1, > scratching and edits by Ben Liebrand. I was already > much into edits by that time, having been introduced to them > by Julius, who urged me to listen to Ben Liebrand's "In The Mix".

Funny, I had just added this track on http://editheadz.ma.cx yesterday ;-) I'm also pretty sure that for the general public Happy Station was one of the biggest records that caused tape-cuts to be known. Although what Ben did was just a result from what many disco- mixers were doing back then. In 1979 Ferry Maat already did some interesting things with tape on 'Casanova' by Luv'. He had repeatedly put "uhu aha uhu aha uhu aha" as a backing beneath the entire track, and he'd done that with tape. I wonder if I still have that on really old cassette-tape, this might be interesting to hear.

> http://www.delia-derbyshire.org/recordings.php > > Check out the whole site too: > > http://www.delia-derbyshire.org > http://www.cosmicsurfer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Delia.html

In this regard we should also mention our own Dick Raaijmakers, assistent in Philips' NatLab, where he made recordings dating as early as the 1950's, created mostly by use of audio-tape experiments. See (in dutch): http://www.alice-eindhoven.nl/pdf_files/ED%20Raaijmakers%20240704.pdf

Julius

Huh?
What's the above got to do with anything here? The article is about tape editing in general. It currently seems to think that this began in the 1980s, which is laughable. Tape editing has been done since flexible tape was first invented in the 1940s. I'm sure this could make an interesting article, but at the moment it appears to be a bit of a dumping ground for someone's favourite bands, and seems wildly off-topic. Graham 14:00, 23 February 2006 (UTC)