Talk:Tartan Noir

comment on article
This had to be completely rewritten, as there was no way to save the original in any shape or form. Having written on Tartan Noir, I think I know a little about the genre.

This is very much a first stab at a revised article. I've left out a lot, concentrating on origins and criticisms. Feel free to expand if I don't! Edofedinburgh 05:36, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I've got to add the development of the genre, for one. Edofedinburgh 05:39, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Isn't the bulk of this article Original Research? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.97.192.18 (talk) 15:37, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Comparison with English Crime Writing
I heard Ian Rankin discuss this on television last night. His point was that at least until recently many English crime writers portrayed a rural English upper middle class ambience which probably hasn't existed for forty years. Miss Marple, Rosemary and Thyme, Midsomer Murders and some of Georgette Heyer's books and those of Dorothy L Sayers spring to mind (and the list is far from exhaustive). In contrast Scottish "tartan noir" wrting is more down to earth and realistic. But in fairness the balnce has been redressed at least on television by programmes like A Touch of Frost, The Bill and Dalziel and Pascoe, and by writers like Mark Billingham. Millbanks (talk) 17:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * English crime has always had a sleazy undercurrent - on TV think The Sweeney; a bit of digging around the roots of English literature shows that this has been reflected in literature too. It's merely that these cosy English tragedies don't offend too much, and don't bother their readers/viewers with social issues and realities.-MacRùsgail (talk) 17:15, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

A Date
The London Independent has the "the king of tartan noir" description in an article dated April 1 2001 so if it was written on the cover of one of his books it is beforre that date. 86.40.208.160 (talk) 17:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)