Talk:Tautology (rhetoric)

Consider scrapping this article?
I came across it because I told someone to look up tautology for examples after I introduced the concept, and they said the article on Wikipedia didn't help them at all. I came here to see for myself and the article is both wholly incorrect and entirely incomprehensible. It is poorly written. It has no structure or no clarity of theme. It contains excessively "flowery" and verbose prose that ultimately conveys no information. It doesn't even accurately definite rhetorical tautology (or even provide any examples for reference). It contains no references, and generally appears to just be the ramblings of some random poster. &vellip; Others on this page have already provided detailed breakdowns of these key points, but perhaps it would be worthwhile to scrap the article entirely until someone/some people with expertise can write the article proper? There is no tag on the main page that directly indicates that the writing is outright incorrect ("not up to standards" != "factually incorrect"), and I think it's a disservice to have this article up as a source in its current state. I think there is more than enough research and discussion on this page to justify taking the main page down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.111.111.156 (talk) 14:31, 3 April 2014 (UTC)


 * The proper thing to do would be to fix it, rather than delete the article because it's bad.--Atlan (talk) 09:22, 27 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I am not the person to fix the article. I came to this article looking for a term to describe inappropriate adjectives being used with ultimate state descriptors, egs "more perfect", "fairly sterile", "a bit pregnant".

These appear to be pleonasms, and are not tautological. I mention them here because the article omits mentioning them, in hope that it helps the person who eventually fixes the article. I do not think that removing the article would be a good thing. It will be easier for a person with the right mindset to make corrections to this article, than it would be to write a new article from scratch. Dotfret (talk) 13:09, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

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Add a section with examples of Tautological Rhetoric
I think there needs to be a small section dedicated to examples, archetypal and published. That way people could understand by reading it in practice and in speaking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garyonthenet (talk • contribs) 15:09, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Proposed merger (Pleonasm)
There is still a link on the Pleonasm page about this discussion. I don't know how to remove it, but since the discussion is closed, the link there should certainly be removed. Steve8394 (talk) 16:52, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * QUOTE** I'm closing this discussion (which has been open for more than six months) with the outcome that there is no consensus to implement the proposed merger at this time. If you feel strongly that a merger is warranted, please start a new proposal. — Jaydiem (talk) 07:29, 1 July 2014 (UTC) **END QUOTE**

It might be helpful for this page to have 20th century link (to the movie "Catch 22" - reason = a. It is a good movie b. - it is a tautology in everymen's life.
Happy New year of 2016

Americans are not very familiar with this Greek word of "Tautology", however , they extraordinary do understand the notion of an endless loop of the mind.

You edit - I'm drunk - probably doesn't make any sense

To Moderator ,

Cheers Dmitri — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.224.211 (talk) 07:35, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Americans are very familiar with tautologies but wikipedia's pages do a very job in portraying them. probably the worst is the logic version. Shame. Shame. Shame. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.61.71.210 (talk) 16:56, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Exemples ?!
hello, What about giving at least 1 exemple of TAUTOLOGY ? I am sure that WIKIPEDIA can do that. Me ? To do the job ? Sorry, but i am to affraid to become a public victim of WIKI-GUARD DOGS... 20170120 sanremy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.215.178.62 (talk) 13:30, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

sanremy is right - give an example please
but fear the the guard dogs - woof woof 88.108.241.37 (talk) 15:38, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

It seems a shame to add sources ;)
Since a tautology page that only references itself would seem totally appropriate ;) Is anyone else watching this page? Let's dig in! Chris vLS (talk) 01:02, 20 February 2018 (UTC)