Talk:Taxation in France

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I have much worked on the article taxation in France, but I need some help. Is the structure of the article correct ? The main problem is about the French social contributions ("cotisations sociales" in French, "payroll tax" in anglosaxon countries). These contributions are not really taxes, for they are part of the cost of the labour, i.e. they are included in the total wages paid by employers, and the contributors get direct benefits from them (unlike taxpayers). In France, there is a very clear distinction between taxes and social contributions. Social contributions are collected by the Securité Sociale, an institution independant from the central government. Most of the graphs, charts and stats provided on the official websites do such a distinction. Should I speak about these contributions in the article ? Should I mention them in a separate section ? Thanks for your help. --Pah777 (talk) 14:54, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * They have all the basic features of a tax still, they are just hypothecated to a specific purpose. And since it is more politically palatable to not call it a tax and since they do have some differences with other taxes some people do like to not call them taxes. But since you can't typically choose not to participate (I assume that's the case here) and your contributions aren't exactly what goes to pay your benefit (they probably aren't set aside in true individual separate accounts) and if you die early or live much longer you either don't get your benefit or get more, etc it's still really a tax and yes should be covered here. You can of course discuss the differences it has with other taxes. See tax.
 * Other points are that one paragraph sections should typically be avoided. Instead just put bold headings. Also the French titles of the taxes, while that carries some value of language precision, it makes it hard for non French speakers to follow. Probably the best thing is to translate them all if you weren't already planning to and include the French name in text if you feel it needs it. Repartition is also not a very common word, so it's probably best to pick another more standard term or something like revenue by source, etc. The lead section is too long and should summarize the rest of the article, not present unique information. See that page for more. That's all for now, let me know if you'd like some more ideas. - Taxman Talk 00:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

"The overall rate of social security and tax on the average wage in 2005 was 71.3% of gross salary, the highest of the OECD."

I find this statement quite dubious. Where is the the reference for this data? origen01 Talk

The external link to the PDF on the ocde.org site is broken. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.166.106.169 (talk) 15:57, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

PACS
There is a specific PACS page Pacte_civil_de_solidarité, maybe the PACS section of this page should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.160.35 (talk) 18:22, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

The Wiki entry "Taxation in France" is ludicrous. It implies that no taxes except social contributions benefit any tax payer in France, but that they all go off to "The Government", as if the French Government are aliens on another planet - ie that tax revenues disappear off into a void.

Is this article really suggesting that French taxes are not used to finance the French police, army, fire service, courts, child protection, education, road maintenance and all the other things that taxes fund in any legitimate country? Even in the US many of these things are paid for out of taxes!

Seriously - are firefighters, teachers, half decent roads etc etc of no use to ordinary French tax payers - or are they all just some sort of Martian conspiracy?

Black helicopters or what?

This article needs some *serious* redrafting to make it A LOT more sensible!

Tigger123456abc (talk) 09:38, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

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