Talk:Taylor Swift albums discography

Concert Films
Should the 1989 World Tour Live and the Reputation Stadium Tour concert films be included in the discography? Richard Hendricks (talk) 13:32, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Reputation Stadium Tour Surprise Song Playlist
Should this be included in the discography? It shows up as an album on the streaming services. Richard Hendricks (talk) 13:32, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

It is also listed as an album on AllMusic.

Yes, it should be included as compilation album since it's showing as an album in streaming services. It's obvious. SamieFrost22 (talk) 01:57, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

"Half of My Heart"
I don't think this song features Taylor Swift. On the page for "Half of My Heart", the cover art does not credit Swift at all. She only has like two lines in the bridge. Swift is also not credited on streaming services. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 16:27, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Spotify Singles
EPs do not have to have more than two tracks. This is an EP. And if it's not an EP, then what is it? Normani x Calvin Harris is an EP with two songs. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 18:44, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

EPs need to have at least 3 or 4 tracks. I have found no sources calling Spotify Singles an EP. Spotify doesn't even call it an EP. CountyCountry (talk) 21:54, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

No they do not need 3 songs, please stop saying that. And please stop ignoring my question: If it isn't an EP, then what do you think it is? Billiekhalidfan (talk) 22:22, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Anything less than 3 tracks is considered a single. Go on the internet and search up what an EP is. CountyCountry (talk) 22:38, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

No. How can it be a single when it isn't a song? That makes no sense. If it was called "Delicate" then it would be a single, with the B-side being "September". But it's not. It's called Spotify Singles. And all that shows up when you search what an EP is is what iTunes considers an EP, which is wrong because EPs with 3 tracks are called singles on iTunes. A single is one song, hence the name. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 23:13, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

Please read through these sources:  A single doesn't always contain one track, and anything that contains two tracks are not called EPs, unless it is long enough to be called that in duration. And notice that Spotify calls Taylor Swift's Spotify Singles a single. CountyCountry (talk) 23:09, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

One of the sources literally says "An extended play record is a recording that contains more than a single (one song) and not enough to qualify as a full-length LP or album." This EP has more than one song. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 21:39, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

If you look below, it says "Typically 3-6 though you may hear other variants between those two numbers. It really doesn’t matter." Same goes with the other sources I gave. Spotify doesn't even call this an EP. Just because one source supports what you said, doesn't mean you're right. That's confirmation bias. CountyCountry (talk) 23:36, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Yeah. Key word "Typically". There are many EPs longer or shorter than that (Don't Smile at Me, Normani x Calvin Harris, etc.). Literally every other artist has Spotify Singles listed as an EP in their discography, I don't see why Taylor's is any different. Also, the EP was listed before you reverted it, so get consensus before removing it. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 23:55, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

If you read the last half of the quote, it says "though you may hear other variants between those two numbers...". Two is not between 3 and 6. Also, I have to reiterate that Spotify does not call this an EP. CountyCountry (talk) 00:01, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Streaming services like Spotify and iTunes commonly mistake EPs for singles and albums, they are not a good source to define the format of a release. The source said you "may" hear other variants between 3 and 6, that does not necessarily mean that an EP cannot be two songs. Besides, Spotify Singles can't be a single because neither songs on the EP were released as singles. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 01:28, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Spotify and iTunes actually have their own guidelines. The reason why you say that they mistake EPs is because that they are different from your false definition of an EP. "Spotify Singles" was only released on Spotify. Spotify doesn't call it an EP, nor do any other sources, nor does it fit the general guidelines of being an EP. The word "may" was used to show that EPs are 3-6 tracks long and that you could see variants that are 4 or 5. CountyCountry (talk) 02:17, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

No, look up the EPs Chapter One: Blue, Chapter Two: Red and Chapter Three: Yellow (all by Bea Miller) on Spotify/iTunes. They are all labeled as singles when the artist has called them EPs and they have three songs each. The EP Don't Smile at Me by Billie Eilish is labeled as an album on iTunes when it's an EP. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 02:22, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

If reliable sources or the artist calls it an EP, then it's an EP. Taylor Swift did not say that "Spotify Singles" is an EP. There are also no sources calling this an EP. And I don't see where iTunes labeled Don't Smile at Me as an album. Instead it says that it's an EP in the Editor's Notes. CountyCountry (talk) 02:42, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

If you go to Billie Eilish on Apple Music, you can find Don't Smile at Me under the albums section. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 02:46, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Ok, if there are reliable sources calling Don't Smile at Me an EP, then it's an EP. CountyCountry (talk) 02:50, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Well we can't disclose it from her discography just because there isn't a source calling it an EP. It's not a single and it's definitely not an album either. We have to put it as something and it's clearly an EP. Billiekhalidfan (talk) 02:51, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

As I said before, it's too short to be an EP. It only contains two tracks. It's a single. Spotify Singles could be listed in the Track Listing section of Swift's song, Delicate, just like how it was done in Attention. CountyCountry (talk) 03:00, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Well, the thing is, it's not a track listing of "Delicate", it's a track listing of Spotify Singles. And it's not too short to be an EP, the Normani and Calvin Harris EP of the same length has been called an EP by many sources. The definition of a single is "only one", so tell me how can this be a single when it contains more than one song? Billiekhalidfan (talk) 03:35, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Normani x Calvin Harris are not EPs according to the definition of an EP, but sources call them EPs, so they are EPs. Swift's Spotify Singles also contains two tracks, which makes it not an EP, and sources do not call this an EP, so it's not one. If something does not fit the definition of an EP, but sources call it an EP, then it is an EP because there are sources to support that. But, if something does not fit the guidelines of an EP, and no reliable sources call it an EP, then it is not one. This is the case with Spotify Singles. Not to mention the multiple sources I have shown you about EPs and singles. And singles can contain more than one track, despite it's name. CountyCountry (talk) 04:52, 21 October 2019 (UTC)


 * A quick comment: Spotify called the release "two Spotify Singles". They don't call it an EP or an album, so I'd say they would better be classified as promotional singles? HĐ (talk) 13:20, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Update: Spotify Singles series by Spotify, as described here, is "a program that brings artists into a comfortable and inspiring environment to create a 2 song EP exclusively for Spotify." I guess the release being called an EP is legit. HĐ (talk) 13:23, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Looks like it's an EP.CountyCountry (talk) 13:30, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Sales footnotes
If figures are included both from Billboard and HITS Daily Double, then I think in the footnotes we should cite where the figure comes from (e.g., "... according to MRC Data" or "... according to BuzzAngle Music" for clarity. Heartfox (talk) 04:28, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Re-recorded albums
Fearless (Taylor's Version) is not a reissue of Fearless. The 20th anniversary edition of Linkin Park's Hybrid Theory was a reissue. F(TV) is not based on the same masters so it is not a reissue (or a remastered edition, for that matter). It probably belongs in "Studio albums", but if that's too undesirable it can be separated under a heading like "'Taylor's version' re-recorded albums" or just "Re-recorded albums". Stephs758 (talk) 19:23, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Spotify Singles is a single album, not mini album or EP
Spotify Music doesn't even call it an EP, they call it as single, which i assume as a single album. Extended Play or mini album should contain between 4 until 7 tracks in it. Spotify Singles is a single album. Single album contains between 2 until 3 tracks in it. Spotify Singles is a single album, not mini album or EP. SamieFrost22 (talk) 04:42, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Please see above . Spotify themselves called the Spotify Singles series a collection of 2-song EPs. Single album is a term that is only used in South Korean music (see Single album). It's safe to say that the release is an EP. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 21:47, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

but it literally says "single" in the title, and i think if spotify wanted it to be an ep, they would list it as such on their OWN platform... it's definitely not an ep. Notsammyray (talk) 02:44, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Remix EP
Apple Music and YouTube Music called "willow (the witch collection)" as an EP. So i think it is a Remix EP. SamieFrost22 (talk) 05:01, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll add the EP now. Thanks! D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 17:02, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

"Complete Album Collection" existence
Is her mentioned 1st compilation album "Complete Album Collection" has ever even existed? I never found a source that ever sell that album. Is it only available physical or digitally? Or both of them? Or never actually existed? I'm so confused about this so-called compilation album. SamieFrost22 (talk) 06:40, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The collection was released in Germany, see, so we should list it. D🐶ggy54321 (let's chat!) 17:00, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Germany instead of France
Swift's albums have charted higher (reached Top10) in Germany than in France. So why not replaced the France column in the Studio Albums table with Germany? BawinV (talk) 10:12, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

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Re-recorded albums and chart positions
It must be said that in some countries like Germany, Austria or Switzerland the sales of the original and the re-recorded albums are not separated. For example there's no difference made between Red and Red (Taylor's Version) here: https://www.offiziellecharts.de/album-details-202666. You can also see in this archived version, that there's no separate Red (Taylor's Version). The sales of Red and Red (Taylor's Version) were counted together, so a peak of 8 for example like it was made in the table could be wrong. --Sinuhe20 (talk) 21:06, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

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Countries
You switched Germany for France eventhough Swift's French certifications are minimal, but you also claim France should be here instead of Spain because Swift's Spanish certifications are minimal? This is contradictory. Swift's albums have better chart positions in Spain, where Lover was also her first record to reach #1. Her live album also charted in Spain, when none did in France. I believe Spain is a better inclusion than France.  ℛonherry  ☘  07:42, 15 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I swapped Germany for France because Germany doesn't have chart creds for the re-recordings. Anyway France v Spain is not a big problem I suppose. We can swap France for Spain if it makes the list look better, but could you also update the corresponding Spanish certs and remove the SNEP ones while you're at it? Ippantekina (talk) 10:56, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
 * yeah, I can do that. We are not in a hurry, are we?  ℛonherry  ☘  13:00, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Album Sales
Album pure sales need to be updated; Source Below.

https://chartmasters.org/taylor-swift-albums-and-songs-sales/ 68.132.227.204 (talk) 02:30, 1 September 2023 (UTC)