Talk:Tbilisi State University/Archive 1

Heavy bias
This article appears to be heavily biased, overly emphasizing the early 20th century at the time of the founding of the university and its current development, while suggesting that the Soviet period of Georgia had no other purpose but to destroy anything and everything that existed in Georgia, including its academic development and flourishing. This article should probably be rewritten to be more neutral, to give the facts about the history of the university, and avoid selective emphasis or deemphasis based on political reasons. --Ericdn (talk) 19:58, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Latin name
Someone working on this page asked us, over at Vicipaedia, to check the Latin name. The name in the infobox here was certainly wrong. The name we had at Vicipaedia lacked a source, and also turned out to be wrong. I found the Latin name that was used in 1920 and I have now inserted it with a citation. It's possible that a different Latin name has been adopted since then, but more likely I guess that this is the only one there will ever be. When names of universities are changed, they often don't change the Latin name. Andrew Dalby 12:56, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you, it was me, who asked. Well done. -- g. balaxaZe  ★  13:18, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Moved to full name
As per Wikipedia standard. Ommnomnomgulp (talk) 22:06, 29 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Please also note: no discussion of this needed Be bold. Ommnomnomgulp (talk) 22:13, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * There is no "Wikipedia standard" and all the contested moves should be addressed through Requested moves so I suggest you do so. Jaqeli 11:56, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


 * There are "standards," but, regardless, in order to save you a 3RR, I'll put down my reasons here. The University clearly identifies itself by its full name. If you look, my edit history includes a lot of university topics and from what I've seen, the only universities that aren't titled by their full names are ones that commonly refer to themselves as something else. Examples of this are Stanford University and Rice University. This University clearly identifies itself as Ivane Javakhishvili Tbilisi State University. The Rector of the University does so here as the school does throughout its web pages. This isn't all that deep to me, so if it's that important that it stay, you'll get no further argument from me. Ommnomnomgulp (talk) 17:18, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


 * No objections recorded, so I went ahead and moved it. Ommnomnomgulp (talk) 00:16, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you actually understand English? Use Requested moves. That's not how the pages are moved. I object this move and use the proper way to move it by using RM. Jaqeli 09:39, 5 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Do you understand the idea of discussion? When there is none, there's no debate. I don't have to use the requested moves page if there's no stated objection. Simply not wanting something to happen is not a valid objection. As such, the page can be moved boldly by any autoconfirmed user. Ommnomnomgulp (talk) 04:13, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Please note "It is not always necessary to formally request a move in these circumstances: one option is to start an informal discussion at the article's talk page instead." Please try to get better handle on English 'and the page you've pointed to, yourself... Ommnomnomgulp (talk) 04:17, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I've said it all above. If you want to move it request it at RM. Jaqeli 11:32, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Ommnomnomgulp, ok lets discuss it informally.
 * Yes, it is true that every formal letter is invalid if it uses only "TSU" (at least this is what I always thought), but on the other hand no one would call this university informally with its full name. In addition, I also doubt your 5-minute crawling of the website is a convincing argument.
 * Don't take me for of some certain side, I almost don't give a damn about its name :D--Dixtosa (talk) 12:41, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Jaqeli, I'm not sure why you're in command here. Let's discuss it here. The only thing you've offered is that you don't want the move to happen and that you MUST have it discussed in RM. Dixtosa, this discussion can actually be formal, believe it or not. Ommnomnomgulp (talk) 22:03, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Requested move 10 August 2014

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. Only one source for the proposed target is given, and on visiting that page I note "Tbilisi State University" bottom left, so the short name is also in use. The argument for the move must be far stronger than the one provided when there is opposition to it. DrKiernan (talk) 17:35, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Tbilisi State University → Ivane Javakhishvili Tbilisi State University – The University clearly identifies itself by its full name. Only universities that aren't titled by their full names are ones that commonly refer to themselves _officially_ as something else. Examples of this are Stanford University and Rice University. This University clearly identifies itself as Ivane Javakhishvili Tbilisi State University (see the difference between (full name identified) vs  and  (full name not identified). I understand that there may be a "tradition" of calling it only TSU, here, but tradition is more a matter of POV. Seems as if there might be a lot of people affiliated with the University that believe TSU is correct, but this might be a conflict of interest.  --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:49, 18 August 2014 (UTC)  Ommnomnomgulp (talk) 22:12, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment WP:OFFICIALNAME we don't use official names just because they are official. WP:COMMONNAME what is the common name for this university? If the full name is not the common name, then is the current title the common name? WP:PRECISE if there is more than one fairly common name, chose the shorter one that is not ambiguous. -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 01:48, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Not the most common name. Official names are not required, but a are a bad idea when they're overly long. Also, the rationale that we should use the long one because the university officially prefers it, and yet oppose the short one because officials from the university prefer that, is quintessentially self-contradictory.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  13:27, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

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