Talk:Te Deum Laudamus (Sullivan)

Sullivan quoting Sullivan
"...a prominent self-reference that Sullivan allowed himself only on this occasion..." I think one could make a case for the Pinafore passage in Utopia Limited; Gilbert's idea, no doubt, but Sullivan entered into the spirit of the thing. I don't know if it's worth mentioning that Elgar later followed Sullivan's lead in this matter, by quoting himself in his Coronation Ode, where he recycled the big tune from Pomp and Circumstance March No 1 ('Land of Hope and Glory') as the finale of the Ode. But perhaps this is off piste. Tim riley (talk) 17:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Good point. This is a much bigger self-quote than in Utopia, however, running thematically through the piece.  I made a change:  See if you like it or can improve it.  If not, we can go back to the footnoted source and come up with something else.  As for Elgar, do you have evidence that Elgar was influenced by this piece in making his quote, or were they unrelated self-quotes?  -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No evidence that E.E. consciously followed Sullivan. My thought was that A.S. was more of a leader in English musical precept and practice than he is given credit for. Not, I admit, a rigorously encylopaedic asseveration. Tim riley (talk) 22:18, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * This idea might be a valuable discussion in a number of our articles if you could lay it out with appropriate references. It may be that commentators have said enough for you to make the argument, and if you could put it together, I do think it would add to this article as well as numerous others.  But we can't use original research.  Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:54, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

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Referring to this as the Sullivan Te Deum is somewhat ambiugous- it is his best known, but there is also a Festival Te Deum from the 1870s. Schissel | Sound the Note! 03:22, 14 May 2011 (UTC)


 * I added a hatnote to try to clarify this. Does that do the trick?  -- Ssilvers (talk) 07:44, 14 May 2011 (UTC)